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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:37 pm 
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Bear in mind - the rush to FBS is over.

If you are not in one of the P5 conferences, the Big TV $$$ is not there.

The P5 schools receive maybe $20 - 30 million / yr in TV money.
The G5 schools receive less than $2 million /yr in TV money.
FCS schools way less than $1 million / yr.

So if a smaller school has to spend millions on a stadium upgrade, and 20+ more scholarships for FB,
and then 20+ more scholarships for womens sports (due to title IX) and then endure way more travel costs to be in a more far-flung conference,
the school is incurring tens of millions of dollars they may never re-coup.
Unless the school has several crazy-rich football-fanatic boosters - where is this money coming from ?

FBS is not for everybody.


Is the rush really over though? It seems to me that a bunch of schools just moved up. I think there will be more impetus to move as more conferences start to ban the scheduling of FCS schools. The Big Ten already does and several PAC 12 schools, as a principle, already do not even though they are allowed to. For the cost of 44 scholarships (22 male 22 female) a school can earn some tv money, even if it's a small amount. FBS opponents earn twice as much for gaurantee games too. Several of the schools tossed around already have facilities on par with the Group of 5 (and certainly better than the Kibbie Dome). The proposed Super Big Sky is just as far flung as the current Big Sky so I don't see how travel could be considered an obstacle. At this point I think it's just a matter of finding enough schools willing to take the risk together.


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I think the rush is over for certain institutional types. Those with fast-passes are your more academically esteemed institutions. They can move at whatever pace they want, it seems. I think the door is open for some, and will remain so, indefinitely. It's those like EKU, schools located in the shadow of bigger D1 programs who are trying to punch through while the opportunities are still there...FBS isn't going to open up for their type, but they may for Stony Brook. And Stony is one of those programs you have to watch with some awe and frustration: as some programs have been situating and positioning themselves on the subject for various amounts of time, there is no doubt in my mind that Stony Brook, because it is large, research-intensive, one of those unofficial SUNY flagships, and growing in all capacities...they wouldn't be in this boat back in 1995 or 2005...it hurts as an institution when you see yourself and your work being overlooked for someone who's not as accomplished in athletics when this sphere is supposed to be all about athletics.

Denver could easily go where they please to some capacity. UVU? Not so much? Yet, UVU is as big as Weber State and Southern Utah combined...those two may not want a similar school among their ranks to dilute their profile any.


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Weber State and Southern Utah are in the Big Sky because they each have a football program.

UVU does not. Denver does not.

Big Sky is THE all-sports FCS confernece in the Mountain / Pacific time zones.
Idaho was invited because Fullerton expects they will drop back to FCS eventually, which puts all their sports into teh Big Sky tent.
If NMSU were to get booted out of the Sun Belt (football affiliation), I would not be surprised to see them get an all-sports offer to the Big Sky,
predicated on NMSU moving their football back to FCS.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:31 pm 
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tute79 wrote:
Weber State and Southern Utah are in the Big Sky because they each have a football program.

UVU does not. Denver does not.

Big Sky is THE all-sports FCS confernece in the Mountain / Pacific time zones.
Idaho was invited because Fullerton expects they will drop back to FCS eventually, which puts all their sports into teh Big Sky tent.
If NMSU were to get booted out of the Sun Belt (football affiliation), I would not be surprised to see them get an all-sports offer to the Big Sky,
predicated on NMSU moving their football back to FCS.


But what happens if a Grand Canyon or Utah Valley decides that they want to play football? If one or both of those schools decides they want to start playing it would be hard to completely ignore them. Maybe the Big Sky doesn't admit them as a member right away but the geography of FCS pretty much dictates that it would be advantageous for Big Sky schools to schedule them. Lure a few of the larger Western DII schools like Mesa St and CSU-Pueblo up to the WAC and the WAC then suddenly has the makings of its own FCS conference.

The Big Sky is in an interesting position right now. I think it's getting to the point where the league is a little bit crowded with 12 full members and potentially 13 if they get NMSU and that would make 14 for football. I think the schools at the top are looking for a little more distinction and something to set themselves apart from the rest of the league. Fullerton has the opportunity to give those schools that opportunity and their are enough spare parts lying around in the WAC and elsewhere like the DII ranks that he could potentially end up with 2 conferences.


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Article out of Boise(previously posted in another thread) with comments from Idaho president discussing FB options for his school to include FCS.Link at http://www.idahostatesman.com/sports/co ... 27180.html


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Article out of Boise(previously posted in another thread) with comments from Idaho president discussing FB options for his school to include FCS.Link at http://www.idahostatesman.com/sports/co ... 27180.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Even though Idaho has pretty much sucked for years...it would still be sad for them to drop a level.

Based on their upcoming OOC schedule for the next 7 years, you can tell that their AD has been working overtime to help provide a future for the team.

Over the next 7 seasons the Idaho OOC schedule has this going for it: (28 OOC games)
11 MWC schools
7 P5 schools (B1G, SEC, PAC)
2 MAC schools
1 AAC school
1 CUSA school
1 FCS school

They are keeping their FCS games to a minimum which should help their strength of schedule. They are maximizing their exposure to the MWC which will pay them well and keep their travel low, also fan travel is increased by staying regional. They take on some real paydays by playing one P5 school per year(average). They have chosen some close PAC schools in Wash and WSU, a lower level of success school like Indiana and a few tougher ones in Fla, Penn St and Missouri. IF they Vandals could string together some high win totals against this level of competition...that would be a miracle.

Idaho only has 5 openings remaining in their OOC schedule out of 28 total spots over the next 7 years.

Scheduling won't change their trajectory, but at least they have some really good games to look forward to and something to recruit with.
Could they go Indy again? They could have a leg up...if their AD is as good at scheduling as it appears. It would take a ton of work, though. Hopefully, they can take a bit more time with the SBC to establish some more momentum in the right direction.

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Article out of Boise with comments from Big Sky Commish says that his league will be discussing membership options involving Idaho and NMSU.He says that the current FB invite for Idaho has a 4 May deadline which could likely be extended.Link at http://www.idahostatesman.com/sports/co ... 46027.html


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When I read the article, it discussed Idaho as the main focus.
It sounded like all of Fullerton's comments were referring to Idaho.

I'm not sure NMSU is under consideration.
NMSU seemed to only be mentioned as an "aside" by the writer.


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Las Cruces is a long way from the majority of the Big Sky's members - unless if the Big Sky lost North Dakota, it doesn't make sense to consider them. Just NMSU to Northern Colorado is nearly 10 hours' drive time, and of course the Montana schools would be even further. Even Northern Arizona, the closest Big Sky school to NMSU, is 7.5 hours away.

NMSU doesn't really work that well in the Southland either, but at least it improves their ability to recruit in Texas. Abilene Christian is about 7 hours away, Incarnate Word is about 8 hours away, but after that everyone else is upwards of 10 hours.


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Las Cruces is a long way from the majority of the Big Sky's members - unless if the Big Sky lost North Dakota, it doesn't make sense to consider them. Just NMSU to Northern Colorado is nearly 10 hours' drive time, and of course the Montana schools would be even further. Even Northern Arizona, the closest Big Sky school to NMSU, is 7.5 hours away.

NMSU doesn't really work that well in the Southland either, but at least it improves their ability to recruit in Texas. Abilene Christian is about 7 hours away, Incarnate Word is about 8 hours away, but after that everyone else is upwards of 10 hours.

Sac State, Northern Colorado, Northern Arizona, and North Dakota are also a long way away from most of the Big Sky members.

You guys over think this too much. If New Mexico State is willing to drop to FCS then they'll have a Big Sky invite. Idaho is the priority because they are in the middle of Big Sky country, but if NMSU wants to join you don't turn them down. They have good bball and are in a market that can be utilized. Adding NSMU will give the Big Sky a team in every Western state in the lower 48 expect Wyoming and Nevada. That's powerful.

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WAC MB thread discussing possibility of NMSU joining the Big Sky at http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=451&f=2368&t=14688780


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I'm intrigued with the idea of the Big Sky using the Big West rather than the WAC, to facilitate their second FCS bid. The Big West already has Cal Poly and UC Davis; they could add Sacramento St, Northern Arizona, and New Mexico St to reach 12 full members. Southern Utah and Weber St would then play in the Big West for football.

There just seems to be to much messiness with trying to use the WAC. Grabbing NMSU is great. I don't think Seattle is a bad add. Utah Valley, Cal St Bakersfield, and Grand Canyon all at least fit the footprint. But what do you do with UTRGV, UMKC, and Chicago St?


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Article out of Seattle discussing report that Idaho president will announce tomorrow morning at 10 am local that his FB program will drop to FCS.Interesting to hear whether they will accept a Big Sky invite,as expected.Link at http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/idah ... eport-says


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Article out of Missoula reporting, that as expected,Idaho has announced that they will be joining the Big Sky for FB starting in 2018.Link at http://missoulian.com/sports/college/bi ... f02f9.html


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Very sensible decision by Idaho, and great for the fans, who are certainly FAR MORE LIKELY to travel to games in the Northwest than travel to Appalachia State or Louisiana.

Big Sky would also be a great home for NMSU.

If Big Sky is getting too big, maybe the Summit / MVFC will take another look at North Dakota (since they've shed the controversial "Fighting Sioux" name) and / or let Sacramento State leave for the Big West, while remaining a Football affiliate in the Big Sky.


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