Missouri Valley Expansion & Realignment Thread

SJSUFan2010 · **Joined:** Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:52 pm **Posts:** 470

MVC expansion is tricky. Belmont is probably the best option, but if they go non football, the MVFC is unchanged and the Summit will be at risk. I think they need to go with a football school, Eastern Kentucky. Then they need to get North Dakota into the Summit/MVFC.

That would give the MVFC 12, the MVC 10, and the Summit a solid base of 6 (4 Dakotas, Denver, and UN-O). W Illinois is probably good with being with those 6 as well. This would allow Oakland and the Indiana-Purdue schools to leave and not risk the Dakota schools fleeing to the Big Sky.

I think if you go with Belmont and the three eastern Summit schools leave (bringing the conference to 6) you run the risk of W Illinois moving to the OVC. That or the Dakotas may need to make an all sports conference and the MVC could lose all their football schools.

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:59 pm

SJSUFan2010 wrote:

MVC expansion is tricky. Belmont is probably the best option, but if they go non football, the MVFC is unchanged and the Summit will be at risk. I think they need to go with a football school, Eastern Kentucky. Then they need to get North Dakota into the Summit/MVFC.

That would give the MVFC 12, the MVC 10, and the Summit a solid base of 6 (4 Dakotas, Denver, and UN-O). W Illinois is probably good with being with those 6 as well. This would allow Oakland and the Indiana-Purdue schools to leave and not risk the Dakota schools fleeing to the Big Sky.

I think if you go with Belmont and the three eastern Summit schools leave (bringing the conference to 6) you run the risk of W Illinois moving to the OVC. That or the Dakotas may need to make an all sports conference and the MVC could lose all their football schools.

I looked into it more I think Oral Roberts is their top option. They're the only one w/o fb that has an arena over 10K. Belmont, Valpo, Denver, UWM, UIC only have between 3,500 & 7,000

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:41 pm

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

Belmont is closer to more MVC schools than ORU. UW-Milwaukee is also an option but have been bad at bball for a while.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/Cbd1.PNG

Denver or Belmont the likely replacement for Creighton
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc ... r/1973937/

shoulda just stuck w/ Belmont, I finally warmed up to ORU and they are a longshot.

accseahawk · **Posted:** Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:26 am

If Creighton leaves MVC baseball is down to 7. That might be a strike against Denver.

SJSUFan2010 · **Joined:** Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:52 pm **Posts:** 470

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

Belmont is closer to more MVC schools than ORU. UW-Milwaukee is also an option but have been bad at bball for a while.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/Cbd1.PNG

Denver or Belmont the likely replacement for Creighton
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc ... r/1973937/

shoulda just stuck w/ Belmont, I finally warmed up to ORU and they are a longshot.

Is there any single school that keeps the MVC a top 10 RPI conference/two bid league? Is there a way to estimate future conference RPI with all the changes and/or with hypothetical additions or do we all have to just take our best guess? I've never tried to figure out RPI so I have no idea if it's possible.

Just wondering, if Belmont is in a one bid league whether they move or not, seems it would be best to pick the one with the least amount of travel/easiest to win (unless there are major revenue increases). If the MVC adds three does that make them a two bid league?

accseahawk · **Posted:** Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:57 pm

I wonder if the MVC would consider going BIG and taking all the quality markets and programs available

MVC West: Denver, Oral Roberts, Missouri St, Wichita St, Drake, N Iowa, Bradley, Illinois St
MVC East: Indiana St, Evansville, S. Illinois, UIC, Loyal Chicago, Detroit, Belmont

They would make them the midwest version of the A10 while the A10 focused on the northeast and south.

ncaanopaawaa2000 · **Posted:** Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:16 pm

accseahawk wrote:

I wonder if the MVC would consider going BIG and taking all the quality markets and programs available

MVC West: Denver, Oral Roberts, Missouri St, Wichita St, Drake, N Iowa, Bradley, Illinois St
MVC East: Indiana St, Evansville, S. Illinois, UIC, Loyal Chicago, Detroit, Belmont

They would make them the midwest version of the A10 while the A10 focused on the northeast and south.

Don't forget Western Illinois.

wbyeager · **Posted:** Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:53 pm

WIU brings no significant market nor another bid in men's basketball. I don't think WIU ever gets in unless if there is some reason to combine the MVFC into the MVC, but enough schools in the footprint play baseball for that not to be an issue.

The MVC is safe in baseball without Creighton at 7 schools. The MVC will only have four full members for men's soccer-the bare minimum-after Creighton leaves. Missouri State is one of those four members in men's soccer, but is flirting with FBS conferences and therefore a long-term question mark. Belmont, Denver, and Oral Roberts all play the sport.

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:20 pm

Denver told the MVC no? Why would they do that unless the MVC told them they're taking Belmont?

https://twitter.com/stuwhitney/status/3 ... 3759688706

https://twitter.com/stuwhitney/status/3 ... 8577917952

tkalmus · **Joined:** Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:40 pm **Posts:** 1043

Why not Murray State and Moorehead State? They seem like great additions along with Belmont.

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:44 pm

tkalmus wrote:

Why not Murray State and Moorehead State? They seem like great additions along with Belmont.

They don't want 11 for football so Murray St. is out. Morehead St. was good when they had Fareed but nothing before or after.

tkalmus · **Joined:** Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:40 pm **Posts:** 1043

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

tkalmus wrote:

Why not Murray State and Moorehead State? They seem like great additions along with Belmont.

They don't want 11 for football so Murray St. is out. Morehead St. was good when they had Fareed but nothing before or after.

The MVC takes Murray St and the Summit takes UND and boom the MVFC has 12.

freaked4collegefb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:37 pm **Posts:** 7100

Article out of Wichita with comments from MVC Commish regarding league realignment at http://www.kansas.com/2013/03/09/270928 ... topic.html

wbyeager · **Posted:** Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:26 pm

By taking Belmont, the MVFC can keep the MVFC schools in the Summit. If the Summit starts to collapse, that can strain relations in the MVFC between the MVC and Summit members. Adding schools in the Dakotas will send schools like Indiana State and Evansville looking for the exits.

fighting muskie · **Joined:** Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:47 am **Posts:** 414

What if they added a private school like Loyola (Chicago) or Valparaiso? Would that keep the private schools happy?

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