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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:39 am 
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These conferences don't pull in enough TV money to afford flying athletes all over the place. They SHOULD be tight regional groupings, so those bus trips the volleyball teams take are 3 hours, not 7 hours. The Mid-Con was a horror. Now the Summit is MUCH more regional. The bad fits are UMKC, who STUPIDLY left to join the WAC (still don't understand that one) and IUPUI / IPFW (and to a lesser extent Western Illinois). The Indiana schools would fit best n the Horizon, Western Illinois in the MVC, and UMKC in the MVC or back in the Summit. My guess is nobody mentions Chicago State due to history of infractions (I don't know if their issues have been corrected or not...)


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:42 am 
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St. Louis and Dayton would both fit nicely in the MVC, help the MVC's RPI, and reduce their own travel. But both schools appear to be under the delusion that an invitation to an expanded Big East is around the corner....


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These conferences don't pull in enough TV money to afford flying athletes all over the place. They SHOULD be tight regional groupings, so those bus trips the volleyball teams take are 3 hours, not 7 hours. The Mid-Con was a horror. Now the Summit is MUCH more regional. The bad fits are UMKC, who STUPIDLY left to join the WAC (still don't understand that one) and IUPUI / IPFW (and to a lesser extent Western Illinois). The Indiana schools would fit best n the Horizon, Western Illinois in the MVC, and UMKC in the MVC or back in the Summit. My guess is nobody mentions Chicago State due to history of infractions (I don't know if their issues have been corrected or not...)


I think that UMKC would be a great addition for the MVC, due to city market. But when it comes to success and tradition, it's slim to low by far. They should be returning to the Summit. As for the others, the Indiana schools should be in the Horizon, while Western Illinois should be in the OVC with Eastern Illinois. Chicago State is indeed a "rare case", because they should be returning to the Summit or go to the Horizon.

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St. Louis and Dayton would both fit nicely in the MVC, help the MVC's RPI, and reduce their own travel. But both schools appear to be under the delusion that an invitation to an expanded Big East is around the corner....


I agree. Saint Louis and Dayton could be on the radar as expansion candidates for the MVC; although they are on the talk for the Big East when it comes to expansion.

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after losing both Creighton and now WSU
the Valley maybe going after four teams

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:35 am 
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Blog article out of Cedar Rapids discussing MVC post WSU membership situation at http://www.thegazette.com/subject/sport ... e-20170411


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:23 pm 
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tute79 wrote:
St. Louis and Dayton would both fit nicely in the MVC, help the MVC's RPI, and reduce their own travel. But both schools appear to be under the delusion that an invitation to an expanded Big East is around the corner....


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I agree. Saint Louis and Dayton could be on the radar as expansion candidates for the MVC; although they are on the talk for the Big East when it comes to expansion.


Umm, not not be a blatant A-10 homer here, but Dayton & Saint Louis would never consider MVC invites because the A-10 is just simply a better basketball conference.

The A-10’s been higher rated in the RPI for eight straight years and the MVC has finished ahead of the A-10’s AVERAGE once in the last 10 years, 10 years ago.
The A-10 has a better OOC win percentage (.630 vs .592) the last 10 years.

The current members (not counting WSU/CREI, Butler/Xavier/Temple) of the A-10 have more NCAA bids the last 10 years (24 to 5) and more NCAA wins (17 to 4) than the MVC.
The current members of the A-10 have more TEAMS with NCAA bids (10) than the MVC has MEMBERS (9)
The current members of the A-10 have more teams with NCAA WINS (7) than the MVC members have NCAA TRIPS (5)



The only way Dayton or SLU leaves the A-10 for the MVC is if the West Coast Conference, Atlantic 10 and Missouri Valley have a summit meeting, and decide to make one super conference out of their members and the best of the rest. Which is something I really think the top eight or so schools of that league should work together to do; Although it’s less likely with WSU leaving for the AAC; but they should invite Wichita State to be part of that. I.E. - Gonzaga, BYU, Saint Mary’s, WSU, UNI, Ill State, Valpo, Dayton, VCU, Davidson, St. Bonaventure, Duquesne

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:27 pm 
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This is all true.

However, SLU is spending a fortune in travel costs right now, which would be reduced substantially in the MVC.
Travel costs are not so critical for P5 schools. For everyone else, it truly does matter.

But the A-10 gives SLU a "higher profile", which THEY think makes them more appealing if / when the Big East does expand.
So they will NOT consider the MVC.

For Dayton, A-10 travel is not so ridiculous. They are 350 miles closer to the geographic center of the A-10, than SLU is.
But Dayton is so close to Cincinnati, that Xavier may try to block Dayton from joining the Big East, since their recruiting territory is identical.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:46 am 
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Article out of Nashville discussing MVC realignment and possibility that Belmont could end up in that league at http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/ ... /100382846


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Valley hoops Insider blog article discussing whether Friday morning's Murray State Special BOR meeting may be connected to MVC expansion.Link at http://www.valleyhoopsinsider.com/is-mu ... in-the-mix


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Another Valley Hoops Insider blog article discussing apparent interest by MSU in the MVC at http://valleyhoopsinsider.com/murray-st ... lley-bound


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:46 am 
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Article out of Terre Haute discussing the need for the MVC to consider expanding beyond 10 schools at http://www.tribstar.com/sports/todd-aar ... d49d8.html


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CSNBBS MB thread discussing reported MVC campus visits for later this week at http://csnbbs.com/thread-816290.html


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Valley Hoops Insider blog article discussing reported MVC campus visits to MSU,Valparaiso,UNO, and Milwaukee for this week at http://www.valleyhoopsinsider.com/phase ... -expansion


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:02 pm 
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Thanks for being on top of this Freaked.
Kinda sounds like they might be shooting for 12.
Would prefer they leave the Summit alone (unless MVC or Horizon wants IUPUI / IPFW).
UMKC is less travel than Omaha, although UMKC seems to suck at sports, evidently...


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Article out of Peoria discussing MVC campus visits at http://pjstar.com/sports/20170425/mvc-v ... ew-members


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