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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:06 pm 
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I can NOT see the A-10 inviting a Kansas school.
The A-10 schools do not have a financial windfall from televised football, and the travel budget
(as pertains to BB and all their other sports) IS a serious consideration.

Wichita Sate was the hot team to follow this past year, but when this coach and these players move on,
and Wichita State reverts to "average" (see Butler), an east-coast conference is not gong to want to be
stuck with a school 1000 + miles from their nearest member
(which could be the case, if SLU and Dayton move elsewhere).


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:43 am 
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If the Missouri Valley loses a team or two, not including WSU, and doesn't backfill with a basketball school, or a good enough basketball school, I could see WSU going east to the A10, especially if the Big East chooses not to expand, or just overlooks St. Louis. The Missouri Valley, while not actually having its solely own football conference, could be put in the position to fill in what it loses with schools that cater to a sport it doesn't technically sponsor fully by itself. I don't know what makes WSU happy...although it sounds like nothing might at this point.

I'm looking at how the Big East moves more than a post-MoSU MVC. The MVC can live without Missouri State if the Big East just won't touch another school, especially SLU, in the foreseeable future.

What I think the Big East is slightly indignant of is not seeing any added benefit to the ten-member club if they grow to 12. The money stays the same per school adding whoever they want. I think they feel entitled to more money depending on who they add, and who knows who they could snag to make it worth a networks' while. I mean, hypothetically, what if the Big East and UConn could work something out...shouldn't the Big East get more money for that? Would UConn and SLU, WSU, or VCU be worth more than just SLU, WSU, or VCU/Richmond?


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 10:58 pm 
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With UAB apparently needing a new home... would the MVC make the move for UAB and Belmont?

Basketball programs that would improve the collective amount of talent in the league, and add two sizeable markets to the league and therefore exposure (Birmingham & Nashville, who'd be travel partners).

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:36 am 
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With UAB apparently needing a new home... would the MVC make the move for UAB and Belmont?

Basketball programs that would improve the collective amount of talent in the league, and add two sizeable markets to the league and therefore exposure (Birmingham & Nashville, who'd be travel partners).


Interesting idea. On the map, it lines up well...and the distances don't seem to be too far.

1. How will this affect WSU and their complaint of being on an island? It could make their argument moot or it could force WSU into making a hasty decision??

2. How will this affect the fb side of the conference? Wouldn't it be better to add Belmont and some other all sport(fb) school from the OVC(or other conf)? The problem being....the bb side of the MVC could lose control of the fb side, right?? My main scenario is this.....who would be the first two or three schools to leave the MVC? ....Mo State, Illinois State or S. Illinois, right? ....and if they lose one or more fb schools....then they lose control of the majority of votes in their own fb conference.
Or, am I making something out of nothing on this one?

3. Would the MVC ever be able to coax Drake, Dayton, Butler or Valpo to raise their fb programs up to FCS levels?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:35 pm 
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mozilla wrote:
JPSchmack wrote:
With UAB apparently needing a new home... would the MVC make the move for UAB and Belmont?

Basketball programs that would improve the collective amount of talent in the league, and add two sizeable markets to the league and therefore exposure (Birmingham & Nashville, who'd be travel partners).


Interesting idea. On the map, it lines up well...and the distances don't seem to be too far.

1. How will this affect WSU and their complaint of being on an island? It could make their argument moot or it could force WSU into making a hasty decision??

2. How will this affect the fb side of the conference? Wouldn't it be better to add Belmont and some other all sport(fb) school from the OVC(or other conf)? The problem being....the bb side of the MVC could lose control of the fb side, right?? My main scenario is this.....who would be the first two or three schools to leave the MVC? ....Mo State, Illinois State or S. Illinois, right? ....and if they lose one or more fb schools....then they lose control of the majority of votes in their own fb conference.
Or, am I making something out of nothing on this one?

3. Would the MVC ever be able to coax Drake, Dayton, Butler or Valpo to raise their fb programs up to FCS levels?


I'd put the chance of Dayton moving up to FCS scholarship levels at about zero. (I'm a former Dayton resident/UD STH).

#1 - They play in a high school stadium owned by the public school district. It’s not a facility they could recruit to. They’d need their own stadium.

#2 - They are a land-locked university. There's no where for them to build a new facility, outside of the UD Arena / HS Stadium parking lot (which may be problematic from the city/HS side)

#3 - Double those problems because they’d not only need a new football facility, but facilities to add 63 women’s scholarships. Not sure where they can build/add sports.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:19 pm 
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Remember the MVFC is NOT run by the Missouri Valley Conference.

I think they rent some office space from them, is all.....

UAB would be a bit of an outlier in the MVC, but college presidents don't always make their decision based on geography.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:52 pm 
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There’s 3.2 million people in the footprint of the MVC schools that aren’t Loyola Chicago.
There’s 3.2 million people in Birmingham and Nashville (Belmont).

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Since being kicked out of CUSA and joining A-10 in 2003, St. Louis U has hoped the A-10 would be a springboard for reuniting with some Catholic schools (namely the NEW Big East).

Despite recent BB success in a premier league, SLU has no real geographic rivals (you have to skip over the states of Illiinois and Indiana just to get to Dayton,
and then another 300 miles to get to Duquesne in Pittsburgh.

Since the Big East invitation doesn't appear to be on the horizon, might SLU entertain an invitation from the MVC at this point ?

Some recent games vs. SIU - Carbondale and others (somewhat LOCAL) drew nice crowds, and the MVC coaches made note that SLU would be a natural fit....


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:13 am 
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Since being kicked out of CUSA and joining A-10 in 2003, St. Louis U has hoped the A-10 would be a springboard for reuniting with some Catholic schools (namely the NEW Big East).

Despite recent BB success in a premier league, SLU has no real geographic rivals (you have to skip over the states of Illiinois and Indiana just to get to Dayton,
and then another 300 miles to get to Duquesne in Pittsburgh.

Since the Big East invitation doesn't appear to be on the horizon, might SLU entertain an invitation from the MVC at this point ?

Some recent games vs. SIU - Carbondale and others (somewhat LOCAL) drew nice crowds, and the MVC coaches made note that SLU would be a natural fit....



I like the idea of the Mo Valley making some improvements....

But first...can someone please explain why the Mo Valley is split into fb and non-fb? I'm certain there is some logic to it....though, it escapes me at this time. Why don't they look to combine the two?

I would like to see more members in both sides of the conference....ie: YSU or a Dakota school get invited to the non-fb side.

To make a splash...how about something like this(merging previously mentioned schools):
add----YSU and SLU, or YSU and Belmont.

Or a big splash:
add---YSU, NDSU, SLU and Belmont.

On paper....this Mo Valley Conference would sit pretty well.

MVC:(big splash)
All Sports: Youngstown, Illinois State, S. Illinois, Mo. State, NDSU, Indiana State, N. Iowa
Non-Fb: Drake, Bradley, SLU, Belmont, Evansville, Loyola, Wichita State
FB only: W. Illinois, S. Dakota, SDSU


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:48 pm 
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To sponsor an FCS football conference, you need 6 schools.

The MVFC (formerly the "Gateway Conference") has 5 FCS teams in the MVC (Mo. State, Ill. State, Ind. State, SIU-C, and Northern Iowa),
1 affiliate in the Horizon (YSU) and 4 affilites in the Summit (NDSU, SDSU, USD, Western Illinois).

So this conference is an amagamation of teams from conferences that have less than critical mass.

IF they had a 6th member in the MVC, they might change their name to MVC and bring it "in-house".
As it is, they rent office space from the MVC (who assists with dealing with the NCAA).

There are 2 other FCS conferences that operate this way:

The Pioneer League (with FCS member schools from coast-to-coast, who choose to have no football scholarships) is also run out of the MVC office.

The Colonial Football League , which has 5 CAA teams (Delaware, Towson, JMU, William & Mary, Elon),
4 American East teams (Maine, New Hampshire, SUNY-Albany, SUNY-Stony Brook), 2 A-10 teams (Rhode Island, Richmond), and 1 Big East team (Villanova).
They are run out of the CAA office, but are can NOT be officially sponsored by the CAA (since below 6 teams).
This league has had a lot of membership turn-over. About 10 years ago, it was the A-10 Football league.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:50 pm 
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The problem in the MVC is neither the football side or the basketball side want to yield and let the other shape the future of the conference. Personally, I think that the MVC football schools would be better off forming a 10-member all-sports conference with the 4 Dakota schools and Western Illinois. Then let the 5 basketball schools rebuild as a non-football league with the leftover Summit schools--UNO, IUPUI, IPFW, Oral Roberts, and Denver. No one wants to strike out and leave the MVC when they have a good thing going for them and as it stands, they have their football affiliates right where they want them--if the Summit ever tries to do football on their own the MVC will just pick off a member or two.

As far as UAB goes, I don't think its in the best interest of the MVC to stretch their footprint for the Blazers. I see UAB ending up in the OVC or SoCon--worst case scenario the Big South or A-Sun.


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