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 Post subject: Re: CAA Realignment
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:47 am 
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ODU is gone. they have to take the FBS invitation. VCU leaving makes their decision even easier as that was their biggest rival. Look for Stony Brook and Coastal Carolina to take Ga St and ODU's spot. Would love to get Charleston to take the VCU slot since App St and Ga Southern want out of SoCon.


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 Post subject: Re: CAA Realignment
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:20 pm 
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Stony Brook is a logical addition, and replaces one lost CAA FB member.

If they take another from the Big South, the Big South football league has numerical problems (<6) and could lose their FCS play-off AQ.
(without much of anything in terms of replacement candidates - maybe Campbell upgrades from non-scholly Pioneer to FCS)....
Does CAA want to create that kind of bad blood ? I suppose it's naive to think they would care.

I would like to see the CAA grow northward, and add YSU as a football affiliate. I really think YSU would consider it, if appraoched by CAA.


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:22 pm 
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The question is would they go to 11 fb schools and add 3 schools (Stony Brook, CCU, Albany). Maybe YSU as fb only for 12. If they add 2 w/ fb and 1 w/o for (10/12) who would be the school? I doubt Davidson and Charleston come to a weaker CAA. Boston? UNCA? Winthrop?

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Maybe UNC-Asheville to keep UNC-Wilmington company (althought they are separated E-W by a bit).
Or one of those NY-NE schools in the AE conf.


I have been advocating CAA merger with AE, if the total were 16 or less,
but I forgot that Albany plays NEC FB, and wouldn't be able to do so, if they were in a merged conference that sponsored FB.


I think NEC limts FB scholarships to 40 right now (below the FCS limit of 63), so Albany would be looking at an investment to play CAA FB.
As far as Stony Brook, I don't know why they weren't invited 2 years ago.
Same with Fordham (if Fordham loves the A-10, invite them as a FB affiliate).


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 4:09 pm 
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Maybe UNC-Asheville to keep UNC-Wilmington company (althought they are separated E-W by a bit).
Or one of those NY-NE schools in the AE conf.


I have been advocating CAA merger with AE, if the total were 16 or less,
but I forgot that Albany plays NEC FB, and wouldn't be able to do so, if they were in a merged conference that sponsored FB.


I think NEC limts FB scholarships to 40 right now (below the FCS limit of 63), so Albany would be looking at an investment to play CAA FB.
As far as Stony Brook, I don't know why they weren't invited 2 years ago.
Same with Fordham (if Fordham loves the A-10, invite them as a FB affiliate).


No need for a full merger when the CAA still has the advantage. They could simply take the 3 football schools (SB, UNH, Maine)...the 3 with enough scholarships, and take BU too. That's 12 schools, 7 all-sports football (9 total with Nova and Richmond). Can do an unofficial home/home division schedule so you'd have Maine/UNH/NU/BU/SB/Hofstra with home and homes to cut back on travel. In the South scheduling group, the south, you'd have Drexel, Delaware, Towson, JMU, W&M, UNCW.

The problem with App St. and GA Southern is both want to leave for FBS...so they'd be rentals.

SB and Coastal might seem fine to some, but Coastal just pushes a Tier 3 conference footprint even further. They help, and with SB, it's the easiest path to get back to 6 all-sports members to sponsor football. And I do think they have a chance at getting Charleston and Davidson. A chance. Not a great one without ODU and VCU though. But in the long term, both would fit in nicely with W&M, UNCW, Coastal and JMU for a "south" scheduling division. Problem is Delaware wants nothing to do with the north.

To reiterate, 12 schools in 1 division. But for scheduling, can do 6/6 just to decide on what schools will have an anual home and home. Means a 16 game conference schedule.

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Albany would love to go to a full schollie league - they can afford it.


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 5:00 pm 
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Albany would love to go to a full schollie league - they can afford it.

perhaps, but then why no Big South ala Stony Brook? Can't wait forever for the CAA. Gotta upgrade first to show you can do it...especially if trying to get a spot over proven programs like unh, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: CAA Realignment
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 6:12 pm 
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tute79 wrote:
Maybe UNC-Asheville to keep UNC-Wilmington company (althought they are separated E-W by a bit).
Or one of those NY-NE schools in the AE conf.


I have been advocating CAA merger with AE, if the total were 16 or less,
but I forgot that Albany plays NEC FB, and wouldn't be able to do so, if they were in a merged conference that sponsored FB.


I think NEC limts FB scholarships to 40 right now (below the FCS limit of 63), so Albany would be looking at an investment to play CAA FB.
As far as Stony Brook, I don't know why they weren't invited 2 years ago.
Same with Fordham (if Fordham loves the A-10, invite them as a FB affiliate).


No need for a full merger when the CAA still has the advantage. They could simply take the 3 football schools (SB, UNH, Maine)...the 3 with enough scholarships, and take BU too. That's 12 schools, 7 all-sports football (9 total with Nova and Richmond). Can do an unofficial home/home division schedule so you'd have Maine/UNH/NU/BU/SB/Hofstra with home and homes to cut back on travel. In the South scheduling group, the south, you'd have Drexel, Delaware, Towson, JMU, W&M, UNCW.

The problem with App St. and GA Southern is both want to leave for FBS...so they'd be rentals.

SB and Coastal might seem fine to some, but Coastal just pushes a Tier 3 conference footprint even further. They help, and with SB, it's the easiest path to get back to 6 all-sports members to sponsor football. And I do think they have a chance at getting Charleston and Davidson. A chance. Not a great one without ODU and VCU though. But in the long term, both would fit in nicely with W&M, UNCW, Coastal and JMU for a "south" scheduling division. Problem is Delaware wants nothing to do with the north.

To reiterate, 12 schools in 1 division. But for scheduling, can do 6/6 just to decide on what schools will have an anual home and home. Means a 16 game conference schedule.



Coastal is like a 90 minute drive from Wilmington. Would make an excellent travel partner for scheduling purposes w/ UNCW, would strengthen football, and would quiet any UNCW concerns once and for all about not having a travel partner. They seem like a no brainer as does Stony Brook. Asheville is a good 6 hour drive on the western side of the state so adding them is not likely. Again, I would love to see the push to get CoC. UNCW, COC, and Coastal would make an excellent trio and I hope CoC realizes that.

I don't think their is anyway all expansion schools will be from the north. A southern division from Philly to Wilmington, NC would be crazy at this level. If CoC won't bite and no other southern school is a good fit then I would not be oppossed to Boston U and moving Towson south. Baltimore to the Wilmington/Myrtle Beach area is not unreasonable for a southern division and each school has natural travel partners.

CAA 2013 Proposal #1
North: Northeastern, Hofstra, Stony Brook, Delaware, Drexel, Towson
South: GMU, JMU, WMU, UNCW, Coastal, CoC

CAA 2013 Proposal #2
North: Northeastern, Boston U, Hofstra, Stony Brook, Delaware, Drexel
South: Towson, GMU, JMU, WMU, UNCW, Coastal

#1 would be awesome for this UNCW fan #2 would suffice and make travel easier on everyone


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 Post subject: Re: CAA Realignment
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 6:27 pm 
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Article out of Hampton Roads(previously posted in another thread)discussing today's ODU BOV meeting and probability of an ODU/C-USA announcement sometime next month.Article also reports that CAA office has "yet" to receive notification from VCU that they are leaving.Link at http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt ... 7559.story


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Brett McMurphy reporting(previously posted in another thread)VCU to A-10 presser at 1:30 PM ET at http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=mcmurphyCBS


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 Post subject: Re: CAA Realignment
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 1:28 pm 
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So the CAA woulda stopped VCU from playing in the Conf. tourney now they're leaving for the A10 this year. A10 gonna play w/ 15 or let Temple out early?

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 Post subject: Re: CAA Realignment
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 1:31 pm 
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Temple is moving FB to BE for faqll 2012, will leave Oly sports in A-10 until July 1, 2013.


CAA -
VCU is gone, as is Georgia State.
ODU may leave next.

Assuming ODU leaves, CAA at 9
and CAA FB is at 8:

Delaware, Towson, JMU, W&M (CAA)
Maine, UNH (American East)
Villanova (Big East)
Richmond (A-10)

There are a number of FCS affiliates floating around that ought to get inquiries / invitations....
Stony Brook (AE) currently plays FCS FB in Big South
Albany (AE) currently plays FCS FB in NEC (40 scholarships)
Fordham (A-10) currently plays FB in Patriot - drove that league to move from goofy pseudo-scholarship systme to actula scholarships
Youngstown State (Horizon) currently an extreme outlier in FCS MVFC.

Before tearing into the Big South, how about seeing which of those schools is interested in becoming a FCS affiliate (or even a full member) ?


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 Post subject: Re: CAA Realignment
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:47 am 
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Articles out of Delaware and Hampton Roads discussing VCU,ODU and future of the CAA at http://blogs.delawareonline.com/college ... tlantic-10 and at http://hamptonroads.com/2012/05/column-caa-doomed


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Blog article out of Hampton Roads discussing CAA realignment situation at http://weblogs.dailypress.com/sports/et ... times.html


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Article out of Hampton Roads(previously posted in another thread)reporting that ODU has scheduled a 2:30 PM ET presser to announce move to C-USA.Link at http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt ... 8142.story


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