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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:19 am 
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I believe the NEC limit is 40 - that may be a good place to start, and if all else fails, the NEC just takes over football. Reducing the scholarship limit probably increases the dissatisfaction level for Liberty, though. Would the OVC consider the Flames, even just for football only?


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I think you have to borrow one from Patriot, allowing for both Georgetown and Fordham types. Liberty's not in a place to be picky, imo. They'd be better off suing the NCAA over the upgrade rules.


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I think you have to borrow one from Patriot, allowing for both Georgetown and Fordham types. Liberty's not in a place to be picky, imo. They'd be better off suing the NCAA over the upgrade rules.


When you say that do you mean bringing in affiliates like Fordham, who want to compete at a high level and offer the scholarships to do it as well as affiliates lie Georgetown, who are more takers than givers and are just interested in operating a football team on the cheap but you have no choice but to tolerate them because the conference needs football teams?

To me it seems like if they can't find any MEAC defectors, that Big South football needs to look at two pools of candidates: non-scholarship schools like Campbell, Jacksonville, Stetson, and Davidson and DII upgrades in Alabama, Georgia, and Florida.

They can't make any progress because the basketball schools aren't interested in expansion and 10 suits them just fine. Liberty is playing at a totally different level then the other 3 full member schools. It doesn't really benefit the SoCon, OVC, or NEC to bail any of those schools out and take them in as affiliates. A-Sun taking over football isn't an option because there isn't enough interest there either as their membership doesn't want to add football schools that will someday push them aside. So we are just stuck and the football programs involved are just hanging around on the outside.


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When you say that do you mean bringing in affiliates like Fordham, who want to compete at a high level and offer the scholarships to do it as well as affiliates lie Georgetown, who are more takers than givers and are just interested in operating a football team on the cheap but you have no choice but to tolerate them because the conference needs football teams?

To me it seems like if they can't find any MEAC defectors, that Big South football needs to look at two pools of candidates: non-scholarship schools like Campbell, Jacksonville, Stetson, and Davidson and DII upgrades in Alabama, Georgia, and Florida.

They can't make any progress because the basketball schools aren't interested in expansion and 10 suits them just fine. Liberty is playing at a totally different level then the other 3 full member schools. It doesn't really benefit the SoCon, OVC, or NEC to bail any of those schools out and take them in as affiliates. A-Sun taking over football isn't an option because there isn't enough interest there either as their membership doesn't want to add football schools that will someday push them aside. So we are just stuck and the football programs involved are just hanging around on the outside.


Yeah, I meant they should borrow the Patriot's interpretation of scholarship limits. You can be Fordham and offer the max, or you can do what Georgetown does, which is practically Pioneer/D3-level. Some of the Pioneer schools have been thwacked with students receiving a form of aid...if you can make it worth their while to come out from Pioneer (and who knows if it really is, because it's not like Georgetown is going to ever earn AQ in Patriot without scholarships), maybe you pull a few, like Stetson or Campbell (word is Campbell might go to scholarships eventually, anyway) or Jacksonville (who was apparently slapped for having offered them). Anything's better than going to D2 and wanting them to bring up an entire AD that could be on life support from the get-go.


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FoxSports article with comments from Big South Commish who says that his league will need to add more FB schools in the future.Link at http://www.foxsports.com/college-footba ... ure-051616


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FoxSports article with comments from Big South Commish who says that his league will need to add more FB schools in the future.Link at http://www.foxsports.com/college-footba ... ure-051616" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


The way I see it, those 2 FB schools should be full members (with Oly sports). No more affiliates & stuff.

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Campbell is obviously the best choice - they don't add a mouth to feed for other sports.

In some ways it's too bad the Big South and Atlantic Sun couldn't trade names, because the best ground to plow in the Division II ranks is actually in Pennsylvania.

"Atlantic Sun" (current Big South)
1. Liberty
2. Campbell
3. Gardner-Webb
4. West Chester, PA
5. Indiana, PA
6. NJIT (no football)/Monmouth (football only)
7. Longwood (no football)/Presbyterian (football only)
8. Radford (no football)/Charleston Southern (football only)
9. High Point/Kennesaw State (football only)
10. UNC Asheville (no football)

"Big South" (current Atlantic Sun)
1. Winthrop
2. Presbyterian ("Atlantic Sun" Football)
3. USC Upstate
4. Charleston Southern ("Atlantic Sun" Football)
5. Kennesaw State ("Atlantic Sun" Football)
6. Lipscomb
7. Steston
8. Florida Gulf Coast
9. Jacksonville
10. North Florida

By adding two Pennsylvania schools, NJIT becomes less of an outlier, and there is a natural progression from the Virginia schools to the Pennsylvania schools. Liberty will continue to search for the exits, but will remain stuck in FCS. If anyone does leave, the new Atlantic Sun grabs another school in Pennsylvania to flesh out its northern quad.

The new Big South would actually have a clear path to sponsoring football on its own if Jacksonville and Stetson add scholarships. The sixth member could be a new program at North Florida or Winthrop. There would also be a sensible path for Division II upgrades like West Georgia and North Alabama.

Of course if this happens, the Big South would probably just rebrand entirely, and the Atlantic Sun would just simply be a larger but more geographically compact version of its present self.


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The Big South Conference achieved their first national championship in a team sport when Coastal Carolina won the 2016 College World Series yesterday. Congratulations.

Effective July 1, 2016, they are official members of the Sun Belt.


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That school has some crazy history....

Sometime go read the story about how their FB coach was the founder of TD Ameritrade,
quit the brokerage business, donated a pile of money to Coastal Carolina,
and took the FB in about 2 short years from decent to competing for the FCS title.

(I'm not sure I have all the details right), but story is THAT BIZARRE.
I think this guy is that school's "sugar daddy", which facilitated the move to FBS.


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Any ideas what the BS is going to do with the upcoming departure of CCU? That puts them at....what, 4 internal fb schools?? Pretty low numbers for an FCS conference even with their associates.

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Down to those 4 Regular Members, if the Conference decided to drop football reckon would the OVC or the CAA decide to pick up any additional members.


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The Big South and A-Sun need to form a partnership where any current or expansion A-Sun school can field a football team in the Big South. This would allow the A-Sun to recruit DII schools in the Southeast with football aspirations and Big South football would have enough members to stay cohesive.


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fighting muskie wrote:
The Big South and A-Sun need to form a partnership where any current or expansion A-Sun school can field a football team in the Big South. This would allow the A-Sun to recruit DII schools in the Southeast with football aspirations and Big South football would have enough members to stay cohesive.


True. But keep in mind that the A-Sun is trying to build a footprint for the Atlantic Coast area, with NJIT as its newest member school. I should say that recruiting DII schools on both the Mid-Atlantic and the Southeast regions might serve well for both the A-Sun and the Big South.

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jlog3000 wrote:
fighting muskie wrote:
The Big South and A-Sun need to form a partnership where any current or expansion A-Sun school can field a football team in the Big South. This would allow the A-Sun to recruit DII schools in the Southeast with football aspirations and Big South football would have enough members to stay cohesive.


True. But keep in mind that the A-Sun is trying to build a footprint for the Atlantic Coast area, with NJIT as its newest member school. I should say that recruiting DII schools on both the Mid-Atlantic and the Southeast regions might serve well for both the A-Sun and the Big South.


NJIT was a quick and temporary fix--look at where the rest of the schools are:

Florida-4
Georgia-1
South Carolina-1
Tennessee-1

This is still very much a southeastern conference. Bringing up DII schools in places like Georgia and Alabama are much more likely to contribute to the long term stability of the conference than a flimsy bridge to an outlier that has their eyes set on a home somewhere else.


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Article out of New Bern discussing Big South/Atlantic Sun member partnership announcement.Link at http://www.wcti12.com/sports/big-south- ... p/79647055


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