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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:47 pm 
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NYTimes article with comments from BE Commish regarding how that league is now dealing with the aftermath of conference realignment at http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/sport ... ports&_r=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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"The league lost its hard-earned ties with ESPN. Fox Sports 1, the multisport channel that launched to 87 million viewers last summer, broadcast more than 100 regular-season Big East games, but ratings for the network have remained low. The Saturday night game between Creighton and Xavier on March 1 drew only 180,000 viewers for a 0.1 rating."
With round robin the league championship/seeding draws less interest as its mostly a foregone conclusion that only interests the teams playing. Fox currently sucks but will get better eventually they just have to stick it out, but if they want to drive more fans to FS1 they need more people to be interested in the games and the effect it has on their conference with means...more teams. Make it more interesting when Creighton plays Villanova, when they play twice a year it loses some of the luster. Closer teams bring a rivalry interest than team further away who bring some interest as they aren't someone you play multiple times a year, by doing that they're diluting the excitement that could help boosts the ratings for a game like this.

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"Tickets to this week’s Big East tournament were made available to the public for the first time since 2003, which Ackerman said was a result of six fewer teams participating than in some recent seasons. But sales have been sluggish. The average price for a ticket to the championship game on the resale market was down 18 percent from last year"
More teams equals more fans. If its a big concern that's the obvious solution.

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"The on-court product has been led by Villanova and Creighton and a muddle of look-alike teams beating up on one another, such as Xavier, Georgetown, St. John’s and Providence. Butler has struggled."
If SECfb or A10bb have shown us anything its that quanity gives the perception of quality.

If the Big East went to 12 (or even 16) they'd have a few more whipping boys to puff up the better teams giving them the perception of a better bball conference.

Playing round robin in a quality conference is hard look at PAC10 fb before Colorado/Utah, look at the Big 12 now. In round robin you're lucky to have 3 quality teams, with divisions its rare not to have at least three quality teams and with some luck you could have 5 (like SECfb top10 in 2012).

Also with more quality members, Butler struggling wouldn't be a 'conference concern' as another team would be elevated up to take advantage.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:15 pm 
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Well, the Big East used to be basketball-centered and driven, which was why they were always wary of the football schools, like Penn State, Virginia Tech, and why the C7 had to be coaxed with network money and football school assurances that Notre Dame olympic sports were a fair addition. I don't think the ACC is EVER going to see 8-10+ bids like the Big East saw some years. Even with Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville, there's too much going on with football school members, and some unfortunate drop-offs from certain programs (BC). It's the difference of a hybrid with basketball schools with football programs, basketball schools, and football schools with basketball programs, versus a conference with two of three of those and Notre Dame.

Fox made it simple to the new Big East, that more members meant more money. I don't know if Fox cares who they are, but it sounds like the Big East might (to an extent).

Why the A10 is kicking their butt this year: because they won't let public or private status impact selection, nor schools with football or no football. If a true basketball school can get their other affairs in order, and the A10 wants their hoops, they're in. In the Big East, it's the same old, same old. Politics.

The comment about Villanova, Creighton, and the cookie-cutter filling is spot on. Granted, Georgetown is having a down year and scheduled themselves pretty tough, but that's the same old Big East core that stunk it up in the middle and bottom. St. John's and Providence in the middle...nothing's new.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:14 pm 
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I wonder how many years the BE will tolerate the A10 having more NCAA bids before they add SLU and 1 more.

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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
I wonder how many years the BE will tolerate the A10 having more NCAA bids before they add SLU and 1 more.


Over/Under 5 years...

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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
I wonder how many years the BE will tolerate the A10 having more NCAA bids before they add SLU and 1 more.


I like that the Big East added Creighton when they did...with McDermott still playing and the team being a lock to be a top 25 program. It got them in on the good foot so that the conference/fans got used to the school...they've clearly made an impression that will buy them some time if they slip as a program next year.

I think the Big East knew Butler would be in a poorer state with the loss of it's top players and it's coach. But they built up enough cache with the final runs to quell any fears of the program slipping.

But for St. Louis, this is a Majerus team...and they aren't going to be there forever. 5 of the top 6 scores are Seniors. That said, if St. Louis can win a few games in the tourney and generate even more national buzz, then it might buy them some time to get invited in 1-2 years. Market is the big get, so as long as they have some quality play still, all will be well.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:06 am 
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The success / failure of the Big East is largely going to come down to the success today's generation of coaches have on the recruiting trail.

Back in the day, Thompson, Carnesecca, Pitino, Howland, Calhoun, Boeheim, Massimino, Carlissimo mopped up the Northeastern top recruits.
They were able to do this by selling the constant national exposure that ESPN provided to the most sought-after kids.

Fox might want to try to prop this up (which in turn will help the value of their product) by showing some weekend games on FOX.
A lot of people still haven't found FS1 on their "dial".
This summer FS1 will start airing a lot of baseball, maybe that will help.

Another comment - About 20 years ago, Marquette, DePaul, Dayton, St. Louis, Butler, Creighton played each other quite a bit
(the confernece seemed to change every 3-4 years). They are natural rivals (Butler is religious-based, but not Catholic).
SLU is doing well under their new coach (Jim Crews) who moved up from assistant upon the death of Majerus.
He clearly can coach from the bench. Soon we wil see if he is able to recruit.
After a tremendous season last year, SLU was a bit slow to extend his contract.
I wonder if there is a big bonus for him IF AND WHEN SLU gets invited to the Big East.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:43 pm 
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But for St. Louis, this is a Majerus team...and they aren't going to be there forever. 5 of the top 6 scores are Seniors. That said, if St. Louis can win a few games in the tourney and generate even more national buzz, then it might buy them some time to get invited in 1-2 years. Market is the big get, so as long as they have some quality play still, all will be well.


This needs to be put out there like the gospel. I couldn't agree more.

They spent $80m on their arena and coughed up the coin for Majerus...but how committed are they to consistency?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:25 am 
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The Big East cannot sit back and allow the Atlantic 10 to outperform them. They need to expand. FOX wants the expansion and will throw in the money if they do. Taking 2-4 A-10 schools would cause that league to crumble and reduce the members to petty squabbling over the future direction the league.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:11 pm 
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The Big East cannot sit back and allow the Atlantic 10 to outperform them. They need to expand. FOX wants the expansion and will throw in the money if they do. Taking 2-4 A-10 schools would cause that league to crumble and reduce the members to petty squabbling over the future direction the league.


BE needs to pull an A10. VCU and GMU make final 4s and most were saying CAA is better and they could steal from the A10, and Quinn and I would come on and say no it's the other way around, especially on the FCS board. Then the A10 takes them and Butler now Davidson.

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Did capitalism kill the Big East?
- Milwaukee Journal Sentinel commentary on "Requiem for the Big East"
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Capitalism is still maximizing earnings while minimizing expenses, right? That might be true of the basketball members who pretty much stopped contributing after the 1980's and 1990's...getting paid off the backs of football revenue and certain other programs' successes and not being competitive themselves.

I'd still love to know who dropped the line during the conference's undoing that the hoops schools make more than the football members because of it being a basketball conference. And who voted against TCU.

No Big East schools in the Sweet 16...it's going to be an interesting offseason for conference expansion rumors.


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The Bishin Cutter wrote:
Capitalism is still maximizing earnings while minimizing expenses, right? That might be true of the basketball members who pretty much stopped contributing after the 1980's and 1990's...getting paid off the backs of football revenue and certain other programs' successes and not being competitive themselves.

I'd still love to know who dropped the line during the conference's undoing that the hoops schools make more than the football members because of it being a basketball conference. And who voted against TCU.

No Big East schools in the Sweet 16...it's going to be an interesting offseason for conference expansion rumors.


Especially when a school who wants to get into the Big East is still playing.


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Indeed.

Dayton getting a lot of press.
SLU loses 5 seniors and next year's team wil be entirely different, but they may be able to leverage their recent success for recruiting the next crop of players.

Some TV exec at FOX, might push expansion sooner, rather than later.

Wonder if Dayton / SLU actually do an end-run and lobby FOX, letting FOX know they'd be interested.


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If the Big East wants to be perceived as an elite conference they are going to have to put teams into the Sweet 16 plain and simple. It would be better for them to expand now than go on a multi-year drought and be perceived as desperate. Take Dayton and St Louis now and keep the idea of VCU/Richmond and Duquesne on the back burner.


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fighting muskie wrote:
If the Big East wants to be perceived as an elite conference they are going to have to put teams into the Sweet 16 plain and simple. It would be better for them to expand now than go on a multi-year drought and be perceived as desperate. Take Dayton and St Louis now and keep the idea of VCU/Richmond and Duquesne on the back burner.

Its interesting that the Big East has a perception issue...

Adding Wichita St, StLouis, Dayton, Duquesne, Richmond and VCU for 16 would defentely shut a lot of people up.

Still I don't see a need to rush. Dayton loses 3 of their top 5 offensive threats next year, and Archie Miller just sign a extension however other schools (possibiliy some in the Big East) will be willing to pay him more.

1 year doesn't make or break a conference, however it is unfortunate timing that they fell short in year 1.

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