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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:38 am 
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Article from Butler paper discussing benefits from joining the BE at https://thebutlercollegian.com/?p=29550


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Marquette blog article suggesting that the BE should add an 11th school and expand it's BB league schedule to 20 games to keep up with the ACC and The Big Ten at https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2017/10/ ... -expansion


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Marquette blog article suggesting that the BE should add an 11th school and expand it's BB league schedule to 20 games to keep up with the ACC and The Big Ten at https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2017/10/ ... -expansion" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


They should grab the Bonnies and get to work.

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Article out of Omaha with speculation regarding Gonzaga to the Big East at http://www.omaha.com/creighton/blog/gon ... e997f.html


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Article out of Spokane with comments from Gonzaga AD regarding "possibility" of that school joining the Big East some time in the future at http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/d ... ed-or-the/


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CSNBBS thread discussing above posted article out of Omaha regarding Gonzaga to BE speculation at http://csnbbs.com/thread-837007.html


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:03 pm 
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Gonzaga wants to play more quality opponents to boost their RPI.

Joining the Big East is awkward geographically, and Gonzaga's only concern here relates to men's basketball.

Why not lean on the Big East (and their mutual Jesuit connection) to schedule a bunch of Out-Of-Conference games vs. Big East schools instead ?

For instance, host a 4-team weekend tournament and invite some Big east schools to come out west and play them...


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tute79 wrote:
Gonzaga wants to play more quality opponents to boost their RPI.

Joining the Big East is awkward geographically, and Gonzaga's only concern here relates to men's basketball.

Why not lean on the Big East (and their mutual Jesuit connection) to schedule a bunch of Out-Of-Conference games vs. Big East schools instead ?

For instance, host a 4-team weekend tournament and invite some Big east schools to come out west and play them...


In your example....would the BE schools play each other.....or would they just play Gonzaga and then hang out and watch?

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tute79 wrote:
Gonzaga wants to play more quality opponents to boost their RPI.

Joining the Big East is awkward geographically, and Gonzaga's only concern here relates to men's basketball.

Why not lean on the Big East (and their mutual Jesuit connection) to schedule a bunch of Out-Of-Conference games vs. Big East schools instead ?

For instance, host a 4-team weekend tournament and invite some Big east schools to come out west and play them...


Because Gonzaga would still have to play an 18-game conference schedule, with eight games against teams like 8-22 Pepperdine, 9-22 Portland, 10-22 Pacific and 12-18 San Diego.


But the Big East doesn't really NEED Gonzaga. If Gonzaga joins the Big East and they play a 20-game schedule... that means 20 fewer OOC games combined they can play. They go 16-4 on average in 20 OOC games, but now they'll be 10-10 instead. That's going to to lower their SOS and RPI, and watch Gonzaga finish ahead of their bubble teams. They could get an extra bid, but that's going to Gonzaga. How does that help the other 10 members?

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JPSchmack wrote:
tute79 wrote:
Gonzaga wants to play more quality opponents to boost their RPI.

Joining the Big East is awkward geographically, and Gonzaga's only concern here relates to men's basketball.

Why not lean on the Big East (and their mutual Jesuit connection) to schedule a bunch of Out-Of-Conference games vs. Big East schools instead ?

For instance, host a 4-team weekend tournament and invite some Big east schools to come out west and play them...


Because Gonzaga would still have to play an 18-game conference schedule, with eight games against teams like 8-22 Pepperdine, 9-22 Portland, 10-22 Pacific and 12-18 San Diego.


But the Big East doesn't really NEED Gonzaga. If Gonzaga joins the Big East and they play a 20-game schedule... that means 20 fewer OOC games combined they can play. They go 16-4 on average in 20 OOC games, but now they'll be 10-10 instead. That's going to to lower their SOS and RPI, and watch Gonzaga finish ahead of their bubble teams. They could get an extra bid, but that's going to Gonzaga. How does that help the other 10 members?



True. But Gonzaga could offer an incentive of giving up home court for a neutral court for some games. So get 4 OOC games per year, but have some flexibility to play a game that could be a draw elsewhere. A 3 game weekend tourney with Gonzaga, BYU and 2 rotating Big East schools for instance. Could be in Spokane one year, in Salt Lake another, in a Big East or random market the other years. Offers the potential for 2 games against a Big East school each year.

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VU blog article discussing BE expansion situation at https://www.vuhoops.com/2017/12/21/1680 ... nn-gonzaga


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BE blog article discussing possible future of the BE at https://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2018/1 ... conference


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A little bit silly.... If the Big East gobbled up every Final Four slot, then more people would recognize it as the best BB conference.... DUH !!!!

That's probably NOT going to happen any time soon (incidentally, I think in 1985, the BE came close to all 4 Final 4 slots, Memphis beat BC by 2 in the other bracket regional semi's).

In 2009, the BE had 4 of the Elite 8, and 2 of the Final Four. 2 of those teams - Pitt and Louisville are now in the ACC, while UConn remianed in the AAC.

The old BE was an amazing concentration of coaching talent, a huge recruiting advantage based on an ESPN TV deal, and a highly-physical style of play that the refs let go in the NCAA tournament.

Some of this could possibly be recreated, but some of it would be hard to re-create in this era where other conferences have huge budgets and TV deals.
The other inertia that tends to break up these concentrations is coach poaching. A top coach who is beating his brains out consistently #3 in a tough conference is likely to take a big money offer to coach elsewhere.


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That SBNation article was awfully redundant
throughout. Most conferences tend to have a
dominant team for consecutive years or one or
two that sustain being powerhouses.

UConn's drop-off is not the fault of the AAC,
beyond the fact Temple is the only near-by
conference competitor. Coaching could be a
big issue there. The women's bb program
remains among the upper elite.

Going independent in fb would be very problematic for UConn . At least they are arguably in the best G-5 fb conference. Giving that up would diminish further UConn's possibility to ever reach a P5 conference whenever expansion/re-alignment happens on that level.

The new BE has ridden a bit the reputation of
the old BE for several years now. They are
private, religious schools and that is their forte.
Expand in that domain if they so choose.


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It's amazing to me how few people realize how conference play actually works (not you guys, I'm talking ADs, administrators, media).

The Big East looking to Gonzaga for expansion is really, really stupid.

Let me be as simple as possible. Pretend you have the top 10 teams in college basketball in the same conference:

8th: 10-2 OOC, 5-13 Conference = 15-15 Entering Conference Tourney
9th: 10-2 OOC, 4-14 Conference = 14-16 Entering Conference Tourney
10th: 10-2 OOC, 4-14 Conference = 14-16 Entering Conference Tourney

Teams 8-9-10 are not making the NCAA Tournament solely because you have 90 conference losses, and someone's gotta take them.


The Big East HAS eight NCAA calibre programs in it. They just can't all win at the same time.

They'd be better off adding DUQUESNE than Gonzaga. Why? Because Duquesne can schedule easy like they did this year. Then they'll get murdered in conference play.

Add Duquesne to finish 11th, and the top 10 of the Big East go from 90-90 in conference play, to 99-83 in conference play and that gets them an extra two bids.

Gonzaga would be another heavyweight beating the crap out of each other.

The Big East doesn't need to expand to add basketball power. They have so much power, they're knocking each other OUT of the NCAAs.


And remember, I'm the same guy who said the A-10 was still going to be a multi-bid league when Xavier, Butler, Temple and Charlotte left, because "Our third place team is still going to be 13-5 in conference, which will make them, 22-8 overall, because we'll still beat OOC teams at a .650 clip." And they got six bids that next year.

That's just how conferences work.

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