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Part 4: Once the 1-A football conference and the Big East settle, what does that leave for the non-football schools/conferences?


So we’ve virtually covered all 1-A football related movement, and the Big East basketball conference. But what about the remaining non-football leagues and programs? How will they be effected?

Atlantic 10:
Atlantic 10 commissioner Linda Bruno released a press statement this week stating that the Atlantic 10 will look to add the Big East basketball schools should they leave the Big East. This is a bold move and probably very unlikely. You still have to commend her and the league for taking such a proactive stance. Under this scenario, the Atlantic 10 would initially grow from 12 to 17. The most likely scenario would be that they would have to force out 1 member immediately to go to 16. While St. Bonaventure would seem the most logical, the league might need to force out Fordham to appease St. Johns, the crown jewel of the Big East 5, or LaSalle, so that Villanova wouldn’t become the 4th Philadelphia school.

North:
UMass
* Providence
URI
St. Bonaventure
* St. Johns
* Seton Hall
Temple
St. Josephs


South:
* Villanova
LaSalle
* Georgetown
George Washington
Richmond
Duquesne
Xavier
Dayton

Should Notre Dame be part of the Big East package (doubtful, since the 6 schools would probably retain the Big East name if that were the case), they could be added with St. Bonaventure eliminated as well.



In some of the previous scenarios, only Charlotte and St. Louis from CUSA remain homeless, and the Atlantic 10 would have lost Xavier and Temple. The logical choice of Charlotte and St. Louis might be to just join with the remaining Atlantic 10 schools. The conference would add the Charlotte and St. Louis markets to their group that already includes Boston, Providence, Buffalo, New York, Philadelphia, Washington DC, Richmond, Pittsburgh and Dayton, losing only Cincinnati with the Xavier loss.

Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it) the 4 basketball schools of CUSA, St. Louis, Charlotte, Depaul and Marquette have declared that they will remain together during any realignment.

So that would eliminate any scenario such as:

Atlantic 10:
North:
UMass
URI
St. Bonaventure
Fordham
St. Josephs
LaSalle

South:
George Washington
Richmond
* Charlotte
Dayton
Duquesne
* St. Louis



But what if the Big East basketball schools didn’t want all 4 CUSA schools due to travel expenses and instead chose Xavier, Dayton, Umass and Richmond (Temple and St. Joseph’s would have difficulties since Villanova would likely block them). The 4 CUSA schools could team with the remaining Atlantic 10:

Atlantic 10:
North:
URI
St. Bonaventure
Fordham
St. Josephs
LaSalle
Temple

South:
* Depaul
* Marquette
* Charlotte
George Washington
Duquesne
* St. Louis



Another option for the Atlantic 10 is looking for replacements would be to add CAA schools. They do have a pact to stay together (more below in the CAA section), but money has a way of changing peoples minds.

Delaware would be one of the first targets. It’s unknown as to if they would even except an offer. They do not condone the use partial qualifying players and might take a hard stance. Old Dominion, in the Norfolk market is a popular choice as well. And while like Fordham, Hofstra barely offers the New York market, they do have more upside than some of the other schools and offer a second New York option. UNCW, the top program in the CAA might be passed over due to travel concerns. JMU participates in both football and basketball and could be an option as well.

If only Xavier and Dayton left…

North:
Umass
URI
St. Bonaventure
Fordham
Hofstra
St. Josephs

South:
LaSalle
Duquesne
Delaware
George Washington
Richmond
Old Dominion


And while its not likely, what of the Atlantic 10 if Umass, URI (to CAA), Xavier and Temple left? The remaining members would be:

St. Bonaventure
Fordham
St. Josephs
LaSalle
George Washington
Richmond
Dayton
Duquesne


* Boston University
St. Bonaventure
Fordham
St. Josephs
LaSalle
George Washington
Richmond
Dayton
Duquesne
* Butler

Dayton might be tempted to join the Horizon or Missouri Valley Conference, but the benefit of the Atlantic 10 would be greater.

The America East conference could get a replacement for BU by taking a school such as Mt. St. Mary’s (to serve as a travel partner with UMBC), or add another CT school such as Quinnipiac, Fairfield, Central Connecticut State. If the Atlantic 10 loses schools, they could also push hard for Rhode Island to join with current regional schools Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Boston University and Northeastern.


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More CUSA Basketball Options:
Since the CUSA schools seem set on staying together, they eliminate many individual opportunities out there. Essentially, the 4 have only a handful of choices:
1) Remain with CUSA, even if other schools leave
2) ALL join with the Big East basketball schools
3) ALL join the Atlantic 10
4) ALL join another conference such as the MVC or Horizon
5) Start a NEW conference with other teams

Scenario 2 would be appealing to everyone, but might not be practical for travel purposes. The private schools don’t have the football revenue to justify the extreme travel budget increases.

Scenario 5 could be an interesting one. The CUSA4 could recruit programs such as Creighton, Butler, Detroit, Western Kentucky and perhaps get Xavier and Dayton as well. The last two might be more difficult since they have been enjoying more east coast exposure as part of the Atlantic 10.

Depaul
Marquette
St. Louis
Charlotte
Western Kentucky
Creighton
Butler
Detroit
Xavier
Dayton





Colonial Athletic Association:
The CAA, which has been considering further expansion since it added Delaware, Drexel, Towson and Hofstra, could make a strong push to finally grab UMass and URI from the Atlantic 10 should those schools be left out of any Big East plan. Both Umass and URI have virtually topped the CAA list since the league made it clear they would like to sponsor 1AA football. Northeastern and College of Charleston have been the probable choices thus far, but that could change.

*UMass
*URI
Hofstra
Drexel
Delaware
Towson

George Mason
JMU
VCU
William & Mary
Old Dominion
UNCW



In many of the scenarios being bounced around out there, Umass has been linked to the Big East basketball programs as a potential replacement for the Boston market. If the Atlantic 10 went through changes and lost Umass in addition to any others such as Temple, Xavier, Dayton and St. Josephs, URI might consider the CAA. URI is only 1 of 3 state schools in the conference along with Umass and Temple. The CAA might be a better fit if this happened:

North:
*URI
Hofstra
Drexel
Delaware
Towson
George Mason

South:
JMU
VCU
William & Mary
Old Dominion
UNCW
* College of Charleston

And intriguing change could involve some major changes within the conference. The CAA schools all signed an agreement once Richmond left that basically bound the schools together. With the recent rumblings around the Big East, this could hinder many of the programs.

The CAA is in a position where if they were able to oust a handful of members, and convince others to join, they could develop a solid basketball/1-AA football conference. The problem being that it would be near impossible to remove programs and just as difficult for any interest to leave to start a new league (ODU for example would have to pay nearly 1 million). And Richmond might not be too welcome there, but we’ve seen schools leave conferences for a year or two only to return. Some schools of interest would be:

* UMass
* URI
* Hofstra
Drexel
* Delaware
* Towson
George Mason
* Richmond
VCU
* JMU
* Richmond
* William & Mary
Old Dominion
UNCW
College of Charleston
* = 1AA football schools



If it were at all possible to remove Towson or Drexel, the CAA could put together a formidable lineup:

North:
* UMass
* URI
* Hofstra
Drexel
* Delaware
George Mason
* Richmond

South:
* JMU
* Richmond
VCU
* William & Mary
Old Dominion
UNCW
College of Charleston


Any such scenario for the CAA is a real stretch. There’s probably a 99% chance that the league will just add Northeastern (plays 1AA football) and College of Charleston to expand to 12 teams. The league would then be able to field 1AA football and divide into (2) divisions:

North:
* Northeastern
* Hofstra
Drexel
* Delaware
* Towson
George Mason

South:
* JMU
VCU
* William & Mary
Old Dominion
UNCW
College of Charleston


A move that hasn’t been considered as much has been to strengthen the leagues southern exposure. One could argue that in their attempt to sponsor 1AA football, the league has lost site of the sport that has the opportunity to best further the conference: basketball. Add in schools like UNC-Greensboro and College of Charleston would expand the league to 12, add 2 more southern markets, and make improve the league.

North:
* Hofstra
Drexel
* Delaware
* Towson
George Mason
* JMU

South:
VCU
* William & Mary
Old Dominion
UNCW
UNC-Greensboro
College of Charleston


If they are going to make football such a high priority, Appalachian State could provide that 6th team and a decent basketball program. They are only a few years removed from the Buzz Peterson years:

North:
* Hofstra
Drexel
* Delaware
* Towson
George Mason
* JMU

South:
VCU
* William & Mary
Old Dominion
UNCW
* Appalachian St.
College of Charleston

Sunbelt:
As mentioned in part 2 of the editorial, the Sunbelt has made many changes recently and starting in 2005, could cover an full membership footprint that stretches from Florida to New Mexico to Idaho. For non-football members like Western Kentucky, New Orleans, South Alabama and Arkansas-Little Rock, there are little benefits to participating in such a conference. There aren’t too many group options for these schools, although each could be considered for other conferences as individuals. Western Kentucky remains the top option due to recent & past success and a strong fan base. The MVC or Horizon would seem to be logical fits for WKU. New Orleans offers entry into that market for a conference, as does Arkansas – Little Rock. Both schools would have harder times finding moves that would be upgrades or even equal moves. Either could be considered if the MVC looked to expand it’s footprint. But the Atlantic Sun might be a more practical home for Ala



Missouri Valley Conference:
The MVC has experienced a rise in their collective RPI recently and has burst onto the scene as a legitimate player dispersed throughout Big XII and Big Ten territory. The league could take the next step by finding ways to further increase their presence in the region through the acquisition of a pair of strong programs with either a strong fan base or larger market access.

The 2 schools who could make that possible for the MVC are Western Kentucky and Butler. WKU is historically one of the winningest basketball programs in the country. With an invite, they could leave the Sunbelt which has it’s own issues now regarding football and the new 1A criteria. WKU would have to decide it’s own football future: is it 1AA or a 1A upgrade. The second school, Butler, located in Indianapolis, is coming off a sweet 16 run and a second straight NCAA appearance. The best publicity for a program is winning games, and winning them in the tournament means even more.

East:
Butler
Evansville
Indiana State
Western Kentucky
Bradley
Southern Illinois

West:
Illinois State
Drake
Northern Iowa
SMS
Wichita State
Creighton





Grid of Realignment Possibilities:
As we make our way down the chain of the major conferences, we start to see some minor ripples in the mid-major pool.

For a fringe 1A conference like the Sunbelt, basketball remains the only sure constant. It would be wise for schools like Western Kentucky, New Orleans and South Alabama to remain aware of any changes within the existing Sunbelt. Conferences like the MVC, which have been rising up in the RPI would become even stronger with the addition of a school such as Western Kentucky.

In the MAC, there are an abundance of teams (15 all sports, 16 football). There is a chance that 4-6 could be headed out of the 1A designation. Since many of these schools have similar fits within the MAC, there would remain the chance that even if they failed to maintain 1A status, they could stay for all-sports other than football. If that weren’t the case, schools such as Buffalo, Kent State, etc would look at regional conferences such as the Horizon, MVC, and perhaps even the Mid-Continent or OVC.

For more detailed possibilities for schools in conferences such as the America East, MCC, MVC, OVC, SoCon, and others, be sure to read the Grid of Realignment Possibilities at CollegeSportsInfo.com .





also read...



Part 1: The ACC Power Holders

Part 2: The Ripple Effect in 1A Football Conferences - ACC->Big East->CUSA->WAC

Part 3: The First Move, Proactive & Reactive Conferences, Small But Stable

Part 4: Hoops Galore: A10, CAA, AE, Sunbelt, Missouri Valley conferences react






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