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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:23 pm 
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Should a team move to LA, here's what I'd like to see:

Scenario 1: Chargers from San Diego to Anaheim/Los Angeles

AFC

East
NewEngland
Buffalo
NYJets
Baltimore

North
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Indianapolis

South
Houston
Tennessee
Jacksonville
Miami

West
Oakland
SoCal Chargers (if moved to Anaheim)
Denver
Kansas City

NFC

East
NYGiants
Philadelphia
Washington
Carolina

North
Minnesota
Green Bay
Chicago
Detroit

South
Atlanta
Tampa Bay
New Orleans
Dallas

West
Seattle
San Francisco
St. Louis
Arizona




Scenario 2: New Orleans Saints to Los Angeles

AFC

East
NewEngland
Buffalo
NYJets
Baltimore

North
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Indianapolis

South
Houston
Tennessee
Jacksonville
Miami

West
Oakland
San Diego
Denver
Kansas City

NFC

East
NYGiants
Philadelphia
Washington
Carolina

North
Minnesota
Green Bay
Chicago
Detroit

South
Atlanta
Tampa Bay
Dallas
St. Louis

West
Seattle
San Francisco
LA Saints
Arizona




Scenario 3: Jaguars to Los Angeles (hey, they are tghe only NFL team losing money)

AFC

East
NewEngland
Buffalo
NYJets
Baltimore

North
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Indianapolis

South
Kansas City
Houston
Tennessee
Miami

West
Oakland
San Diego
Denver
LA Jaguars

NFC

East
NYGiants
Philadelphia
Washington
Carolina

North
Minnesota
Green Bay
Chicago
Detroit

South
Atlanta
Tampa Bay
New Orleans
Dallas

West
Seattle
San Francisco
St. Louis
Arizona





Scenario 4: Chargers to Anaheim, Saints to LA


AFC

East
NewEngland
Buffalo
NYJets
Baltimore

North
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Indianapolis

South
Houston
Tennessee
Jacksonville
Miami

West
Oakland
SoCal Chargers (if moved to Anaheim)
Denver
Kansas City

NFC

East
NYGiants
Philadelphia
Washington
Carolina

North
Minnesota
Green Bay
Chicago
Detroit

South
Atlanta
Tampa Bay
St. Louis
Dallas

West
Seattle
San Francisco
LA Saints
Arizona




Scenario 5: Saints to San Antonio, Jaguars to LA, Chargers to Anaheim



AFC

East
New England
Buffalo
NY Jets
Baltimore

North
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Indianapolis

South
Houston
Tennessee
San Antonio Saints
Miami

West
Oakland
SoCal Chargers (if moved to Anaheim)
Denver
Kansas City

NFC

East
NYGiants
Philadelphia
Washington
Carolina

North
Minnesota
Green Bay
Chicago
Detroit

South
Atlanta
Tampa Bay
St. Louis
Dallas

West
Seattle
San Francisco
LA Jaguars
Arizona


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:30 pm 
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What I'd ideally like to see:


1) Chargers move north to Anaheim
2) Jaguars move to Portland
3) Saints move to Los Angeles



East
NewEngland
Buffalo
NYJets
Baltimore

North
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Indianapolis

South
Houston
Tennessee
Kansas City
Miami

West
Oakland
SoCal Chargers (if moved to Anaheim)
Denver
Portland Jaguars

NFC

East
NYGiants
Philadelphia
Washington
Carolina

North
Minnesota
Green Bay
Chicago
Detroit

South
Atlanta
Tampa Bay
St. Louis
Dallas

West
Seattle
San Francisco
Los Angeles Saints
Arizona

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:58 pm 
Guys. You are forgetting one thing. Los Angeles doesn't want NFL Football. They don't want the tax payers to have to pay for a new stadium or a renavated one. They want the owners to play for it.


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I think the same way as David. I think it should maintain the way it should be. But if you check my latest reply at my thread (in NFL Football Schedule Format) and want to realign in scheduling, well that's a different story. Feel free to do so if you want. Thanks for your ideas and take care.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 6:44 pm 
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Sadly, New Orleans might be playing its home games in San Antonio or Los Angeles if Hurricane Katrina tears up the city too badly.


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"Holes" in the Superdome roof are Tom Benson's, um, dream. The state will HAVE to throw money into renovation now... provided the city is still there.

As I listen to NPR right now, there's a serious concern about floods, but they're still speculating rather than reporting actuals.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:40 am 
Now is not the time to move the Saints out of New Orleans permantly. The people need something positive to look at.


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Guys. You are forgetting one thing. Los Angeles doesn't want NFL Football. They don't want the tax payers to have to pay for a new stadium or a renavated one. They want the owners to play for it.



that's not entirely true in Anaheim. They could be the first in the market to get a team.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:47 pm 
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The LA council responsible for bringing an NFL team to LA budged today. So it looks like an LA team is one step closer.


So this makes things interesting for the NFL:



Do you try to relocate a team to LA?

Saints could use a home....Chargers are a possibility...Minnesota and Indy should be staying but aren't quite at 100% right now...Jacksonville Jags are losing money.

This is obviously the easiest move since it would maintain the league balance.



AFC

East
NewEngland
Buffalo
NYJets
Miami

North
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Baltimore

South
Jacksonville
Houston
Tennessee
Indianapolis

West
Oakland
San Diego
Denver
Kansas City

NFC

East
NYGiants
Philadelphia
Washington
Dallas

North
Minnesota
Green Bay
Chicago
Detroit

South
Atlanta
Tampa Bay
Carolina
St. Louis

West
Seattle
San Francisco
* LA SAINTS
Arizona




Does the NFL add one team in LA, adding a 5th team to a division in a league made up of 8 division?






AFC

East
NewEngland
Buffalo
NYJets
Miami

North
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Baltimore

South
Jacksonville
Houston
Tennessee
Indianapolis

West
Oakland
San Diego
Denver
Kansas City

NFC

East
NYGiants
Philadelphia
Washington
Dallas

North
Minnesota
Green Bay
Chicago
Detroit

South
Atlanta
Tampa Bay
New Orleans
Carolina

West
Seattle
San Francisco
St. Louis
Arizona
LA EXPANSION TEAM






Does the NFL change the division structure to (6) six team divisions (3 in AFC, 3 in NFC) and add 4 new teams?

The NFL could drop (2) pre-season games and add 1 more regular seaosn game. so the NFL season would last 18 weeks, 17 games per team. Division foes would make up for 10 of those games (home-away), leaving 7 games for Out-of-division opponents.

The NFL could charge more for the TV rights since there would be more games, able to make up for the addition of 4 teams. The NFL would also be addign 4 new teams in the Pacific Time zone, increasing th emarkets covered and bringing more balance to the league.





AFC

East
NewEngland
Buffalo
NYJets
Baltimore
Miami
Jacksonville

Central:
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Indianapolis
Tennessee
Houston

West
Kansas City
Oakland
San Diego
Denver
LA EXPANSION TEAM (Market #2)
SACRAMENTO EXPANSION TEAM (Market #19)


NFC

East
NYGiants
Philadelphia
Washington
Carolina
Atlanta
Tampa Bay

North
Minnesota
Green Bay
Chicago
Detroit
New Orleans
St. Louis

West
Dallas
Arizona
Seattle
San Francisco
ANAHEIM EXPANSION TEAM (Market #2)
PORTLAND EXPANSION TEAM (Market #23)





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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:53 pm 
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Are you referring to the LA Coliseum commission budging on something?

I'm thinking that the LA Coliseum site is a non-starter. The NFL did everything in their power to avoid siting in the city. They don't want that site.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:49 pm 
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Are you referring to the LA Coliseum commission budging on something?

I'm thinking that the LA Coliseum site is a non-starter. The NFL did everything in their power to avoid siting in the city. They don't want that site.



"Plan Might Help Pave the Way for an NFL Stadium

Although city officials have promised not to use public funds to build a professional football stadium in L.A., the City Council will meet next week to consider a plan that would allow the use of property taxes to construct a parking garage and improve streets that could serve a stadium. The council will hold a public hearing Friday to consider extending the life of the Hoover Redevelopment Project for 12 years, the Los Angeles Times reported. The proposal would also extend the Community Redevelopment Agency’s powers of eminent domain for the area, and increase the amount of property tax dollars collected and bonds issued to finance projects, including infrastructure for a stadium. Critics call the proposal an end run around the promise not to subsidize an NFL franchise in L.A."


http://www.labusinessjournal.com/article.asp?aID=79137201.3755199.1202747.4658896.9549735.644&aID2=92510

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Recently, Georgia Frontiere, the majority (I think 60%) owner of the St. Louis Rams died. Her share of the team ownership has passed to two Rosenblooms (brother and sister).

Georgia acquired ownership of the Rams upon the death of her husband Carroll Rosenbloom (I think this happened in the late 1970s). Not sure if she is the mother or step-mother of the two Rosenbloom children (now adults) who just inherited the 60% ownership stake.

Georgia (and her advisor - team president John Shaw) agreed to move the team to St. Louis for the 1995 season, citing lack of support in Anaheim, and in anticipation of completion of a new domed stadium in St. Louis (built on speculation of St. Louis acquiring an NFL team during league expansion, teams were awarded to Carolina and Jacksonville instead).

Upon moving the team to St. Louis, she sold 40% of the Rams to Stan Kroenke, who is married to one of Sam (Wal-Mart) Walton's nieces, and has made a bundle for himself developing strip malls for new Wal-Mart / Sam's Club locations. Stan subseequently bought the Denver Nuggets (NBA) / Colorado Avalanche (NHL) and the Pepsi Center in Denver. Supposedly, he holds a right of first refusal on the purchase of the remaining 60% of Rams ownership, however NFL by-laws supposedly prohibit being majority owner of an NFL team in one market and owner of a major sports team in another market (is that a conflict-of-interest, somehow ?). So Kroenke would have to divest his ownership stake in the Denver teams, and because of this is reportedly NOT actively pursuing the remaining 60% of the Rams.

Reportedly, former 49ers / Penguins owner Edward DeBartolo
has had "some discussions". Perhaps a second party too. The going rate for an NFL franchise is now approx. $900 million, so a 60% stake might fetch around $540 million. OUCH !!! That seems like a lot, but each team's income stream from the network TV contract alone is over $100 million / year, I believe.

Paul Tagliabue made no secret of the fact, that when he left as NFL commissioner, one of his "unfinished business" items was having a team in Los Angeles. With the current 32 team league, it seems like another expansion would have to push the league to at least 36 teams to create any type of balance, and that might dilute franchise value too much. Therefore any movement to L.A. would more likely be via the relocation route.

DeBartolo himself has noted the lack of community support in L.A., as a deterrent to moving a team there.

But note the following: When the Rams moved to St. Louis, they committed to playing in the domw there for 20 years (through the 2014 season). After that, they have the right to terminate the lease if (and I don't know how you would legally determine this) the dome is not among the top 1/4 of NFL facilities. In anticipation of this, the team will likely issue their demands with regard to facility upgrades around 2012. If they are not ridiculously extravagant, look for St. Louis gov't to agree. If the city / team come to mutual agreement, I am not sure how much longer the lease would be extended for. But this whole situation provides the team with an "out" in another 7 years. So at the very least, expect the Rams to use this leverage to garner a rather sweet deal on any lease extension.

Would they move back to L.A. ? Would a potential new owner feel that he could get a better deal in L.A. ? Right now the answer is "NO". St. Louis has been sold out or close to it, since the Rams moved to St. Louis in 1995. If the league desperately wanted a team owner to relocate his franchise to L.A., the league itself might have to subsisdize it (that sounds kind of patheitic, given the way various cities have jumped through hoops at the league's behest).


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