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 Post subject: Realign the States!
PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:17 pm 
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Back when I was living in the Bay Area, a Redding legislator proposed a Northern/Southern split of California. Thing is, he proposed lopping off north of Sacramento and San Francisco... another one of those "red county revolts," so to speak. I remember some rather hilarious discussions with San Francisco DJs about "why are you leaving us with THEM" (Southlanders, of course).

Meanwhile, in Southern Oregon and Northern California, there once was a minor rebellion desiring to form the "State of Jefferson." They went so far as to sponsor "sort-of" traffic stops. The public radio station at Southern Oregon University bills itself as "State of Jefferson Radio." Logically, the Redding legislator's proposal could all be included, as could probably everything in counties south of Eugene's Lane County. Problem is, I believe you're left with Chico State, Humboldt State, Southern Oregon, Oregon Tech, and some JCs as the bulk of the educational opportunities, provided Klamath County (OIT) doesn't end up in that East of the Cascades conglomeration.

I don't ever recall a State of Lincoln proposal regarding the Northwest, but the Jefferson issue is legend.




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 Post subject: Realign the States!
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:02 am 
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I would just stick with the University of LeMoyne.

Afterall we have 2 Miami's, and two Indiana Universities, why not two LeMoyne's, with the difference being one's called a college and the other is the flagship university of a state.

And so, U of Pensacola would be named in the same fashion as Auburn and Clemson. Why not call in Pensacola University instead of U of P, in the same fashion?


I'd rather have a university that abbreviates UP than PU.


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Why didn't you include Lamar, Forrest, Perry and Greene Counties in MS in LeMoyne? Then I would recommend USM to become LeMoyne State University or Hattiesburg University, and would have the Land Grant function instead of UWF? Its more rural location would be good for the Land Grant function. UWF could become an urban/metro university and be called University of Pensacola.


I wasn't originally planning on going that far north in Mississippi or Alabama to preserve the "coastal" nature of the state as much as possible, and I really don't want to take in Washington County, Alabama. Most of Greene County borders Washington County. If I took in Hattiesburg I'd want to take in Covington, Jones, and Wayne counties in Mississippi as well to capture any future growth in greater Hattiesburg.


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Also, why not have them play 1-A, and play in the CUSA? Yes, I know, there's no room.


I-A Football is expensive. U LeMoyne also has a large female enrollment (61% as of Fall 2003), which would likely require adding another women's sport for making up the difference between I-A and I-AA Football to stay in compliance with Title IX (Maybe the City of Mobile can give the University a sweetheart deal on renting the Civic Center for starting a women's hockey team).


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 Post subject: Realign the States!
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:19 am 
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Purdue is PU, and they're a pretty good land grant school.

Oh, okay on the Hattiesburg thing. USM is a decent school, so why not go after it for a state flagship or a land grant for a new state of LeMoyne? Yeah, the counties are a little off to get the Gulf Region.

Is that fiction you have in the last Paragraph, or is that based on what USA has right now as far as athletics? Over time the flagship and/or land grant may play 1-AA ball and eventually be able to move up as the other sports in their Athletic program expand.


USA does have a 61% female enrollment as of Fall 2003.

Their current athletics offerings are Baseball, M&W Basketball, M&W Cross Country, M&W Golf, M&W Tennis, M&W Track & Field, W Soccer, and W Volleyball. USA dropped M Soccer to stay in Title IX compliance. I-A Football would indeed be quite the undertaking unless if USA's enrollment becomes more balanced. If they do move up to I-A, it might be Conference USA would be nice, but the Sun Belt (or what's left of it), would probably be where the Jags start. Also, annexing the Hattiesburg area would probably make keeping USA and USM in separate conferences desirable

Getting Hattiesburg would be nice. Adding the four counties you proposed would add nearly 130,000 in population and bring the population to nearly 1.7 million (2000 census). That may not be enough to pick up a third seat in the House of Representatives (would need to get closer to 2 million), although the population would be about the same as Nebraska, which has 3.

So consider those four counties annexed, as well as another 55,000 people in Washington County and Escambia County in Alabama (and both Escambia Counties can take new names), to maintain a somewhat consistent footprint. USM becomes Lemoyne State.

Granted Washington does little for LeMoyne's economy, but perhaps this could increase the push for the proposed Western Alabama freeway ("I-63"), since the only real North-South Interstate in LeMoyne would be I-59, over by the Louisiana border. I-65 runs NE/SW through Mobile, Baldwin, and Escambia Counties in Alabama. Annexing Washington and Escambia probably also keeps more kids from going off to UA , Auburn, and Troy.

I also realized I had an interesting predicament:
Casinos in Mississippi
Dog Tracks and Indian Bingo in Alabama (the latter picked up by adding Escambia County)
Lottery in Florida

The Porch Creeks have been rumored to want a casino (they've been able to block the MOWA Choctaws from gaining federal recognition, allegedly for the fear the MOWAs would get a casino), so it could result in casinos and a lottery all over LeMoyne, as well as the occaisional dog track and bingo parlor. The remaining 63 counties in Alabama would definitely feel the squeeze of having five very gambling-friendly states surrounding them.


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 Post subject: Realign the States!
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:43 pm 
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Would Northern Wisconsinites consider joining Superior?

There have been thoughts about such things even farther north.

http://www.ualberta.ca/~mbeaudoi/Bob.html

My one regret is that the "boring official website" seems to have gone away.


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There is a need to re-evaluate almost all of the western States because such an enormous amount of land there is in the hands of the Federal Government the least being CA where about 1/3 of the land is federal. All other western states are well over 50% & most are 60-80%. These areas should be redefined as territories & then begin to make states out of what's left over.

Nevada is a prime example. About 85% of the land is federal. If a state isn't able to manage & regulate its own land & no people live there, what's the point in having a state? Outside of Vegas & Reno, there's not much to Nevada. Vegas should be added to Arizona & Reno to CA, which should them in turn be broken up into about 5 states. Area 51 should be designated as "Alien Zone." ;D


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:23 pm 
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Area 51 State University Crop Circles :D


...which would be fine, if you could grow anything in that God-forsaken desert. Mind you, that's the main reason the government owns that land, because it's not worth owning, and you can still stake a mining claim.

Oh, if anyone in Elko sees this string, we've got ANOTHER rebellion on our hands. There IS a "downside" (according to the locals) to the government ownership thing, though it pertains more to the government enforcing environmental rules on government land (well, the flashpoint is a road not reconstructed to a TRULY remote village) rather than the good folk actually wanting to acquire such land.

So keep on keeping on!! ;D


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 Post subject: Realign the States!
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Do pod-creatures constitue a crop?

Can they get a farm subsidy AND still claim said folks as dependents?

Do they need to register for work permits or are they illegal aliens?

Boy this could truly turn the face of the next election...
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I am not worthy. I am not worthy.

However, weather willing further north, I will be driving by there tomorrow. Any requests?


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 Post subject: Realign the States!
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:49 pm 
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Well, last night, there was this one jackrabbit that looked like it was threatening to attack my car, as I was going 72 on US 93. The ears were WAY bigger than normal, and the legs didn't look like your typical desert jackrabbit legs, so maybe, just maybe...


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