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 Post subject: Realign the States!
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:08 pm 
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This is a little bit perpendicular to the intended subject, but I do find it interesting... and I remember the issue of moving the Alaska state capital back in the 80s.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=st....ordibsinalask a

How about moving state capitals... or flagship campuses? That could be more fun than a triple-reverse flea flicker.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:56 pm 
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The seat of Kentucky County, Virginia (pretty much everything in Kentucky today minus the area west of the Tennessee River) was Harrodsburg (present day seat of Mercer County). I'm not sure when Frankfort became the capital..


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State of Jackson

Consisting of Jackson Purchase and the Land Between the Lakes in Kentucky, and Tennessee west of the northern flow of the Tennessee River. Capital at Jackson, Tennessee.

Four Statewide Colleges:

The Jackson Commonwealth Unversity (JCU):

Located in Jackson, formed by taking Lane and Lambuth Coleges, and Union University public and combining them. Mission is to be a Liberal Arts-Comprehensive University with emphasis on Elite Education, with high academic standards but relatively low tuition, and a system of internships designed to help pay for the cost of education. (Sort of a cross between Ohio University, University of Delaware, and Berea College) Medical School to Emphasize Doctor Education and Rural Medicine, and Law School to Empahsize Elecoral Law, Probate Law, and Public Affairs.

University of Jackson (U of J):
Formerly the University of Memphis. Mission is to be the state Vocational-Professional and Research University. In addiition, admission standards will be set somewhat lower than Jackson Commonwealth. (Similar to the stituation between U.C./Cal State, or Arizona/Arizona State) The former University of Tennessee Health Science Center wil be jointly administered by University of Jackson and Jackson Commonwealth. University of Tennessee Medical School administration moves to Nashville, Murfeesboro, or Clarksville (See next entry)

Jackson A&M University(JAMU):

Formerly Murray State University (Chosen because it has the only research farms in the area) this school becomes the state's Morril Act of 1862 university. Emphasis on Cattle raising and Aquaculture. Extension Campus in Paducah has the school's main Aquaculture facility (Currently administered jointly by Kentucky and Kentucky State).

Jackson Polytechnic Insitute and State College(J Tech):

Formerly University of Tennessee at Martin. Emphasis on Vocational-Technical subjects (Home of the state's truck driving and auto body programs, for example) as well as the largest non-agricultural engineering program, industrial drafting, and the largest computer science program.


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State of Franklin, consisting of the following Areas:

All of West Virginia

All of Kentucky from the Daniel Boone National Forest East, plus Lewis and Greenup Counties.

All of Tennessee East of US 27

The Virginia Counties of Giles, Bland, Tazewell, Wythe, Pulaski, Grayson, Washington, Smythe, Buchannan, Russel, thingyenson, Wise, Scott, and Lee

All of North Carolina West of I77 to Denver, and West of the Catawba River from there.

The South Carolina Counties of Spartanburg, Greenville, Pickens, and Oconee.

Capital at the former Pikeville, Kentucky

State University Systems:

University of Franklin System: Five Equal Doctoral Extensive Campuses (Morgantown, Hunnington, Knoxville, Chatanooga, and Clemson) based on the model of the SUNY system.

Morgantown will emphasize Coprorate Law and Pharmacy.

Hunnington will emphaize Tort Law and Environmental Medicine (Especially Coal and Mining related health problems).

Knoxville will emphasize Electoral and Urban Zoning Law and Family Medicine. Chatanooga will emphasise Criminal Trial Law and Surgery and Internal Medicine(At the former UT Campus Hospital). The University of Tennessee Moves to Murfeesboro.

Clemson will emphasize Rural Land Use and Probate Law, and Rural and Vetrinary Medicine. (And Will be designated the Land Grant College)

South Carolina's Land Grant School is either South Carolina State, Coastal Carolina, or South Carolina-Aiken.

Franklin State University System:

Consists of schools of a statewide nature, but too small and specialized for flagship status.

Franklin Institute
(Formerly West Virginia State)
State Public Affairs College

Franklin School of Mines
(Formerly West Virginia Tech)

Franklin State-Charleston
(Formerly Charleston (WV)University)
Home of Main Hotel and Restaraunt Management School

Franklin State-Morehead
(Formerly Morehead State)
Designated State Performing Arts College. Flagship of the Franklin State System

Franklin State-Wise
(Formerly Virginia-Wise)
Designated State Liberal Arts and Science Master College)

Franklin State-Spartanburg
(Formerly South Carolina-Spartanburg)
Home of Franklin State Police Academy

Franklin State-Tullomha
(Fromerly Tennessee-Tullomha)
Designated State Space Grant University.


University of the Cumberlands system:

Regional Masters Teachers Colleges. All the rest of the former state universities, plus the former Pikeville College, Ashland College(KY), and Cumberland University(KY), the Flagship Campus.

To partially compensate Tennessee for the loss of its outer two thirds, Tennessee will recieve the northern bank of the Tennessee River. The State's Land Grant School Becomes the Combined former Alabama A&M University and University of Alabama at Huntsville. (Call it Tennessee A&M)


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Comments? Flames?


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Former Pikeville College? I know the current PC is private and affiliated with the Presbyterian Church (USA).


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Former Pikeville College? I know the current PC is private and affiliated with the Presbyterian Church (USA).


No. They sepperated two years ago (or was it three now?) over the matter of a lack of funding by the church.


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 Post subject: Realign the States!
PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:25 pm 
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Back when I was living in the Bay Area, a Redding legislator proposed a Northern/Southern split of California. Thing is, he proposed lopping off north of Sacramento and San Francisco... another one of those "red county revolts," so to speak. I remember some rather hilarious discussions with San Francisco DJs about "why are you leaving us with THEM" (Southlanders, of course).

Meanwhile, in Southern Oregon and Northern California, there once was a minor rebellion desiring to form the "State of Jefferson." They went so far as to sponsor "sort-of" traffic stops. The public radio station at Southern Oregon University bills itself as "State of Jefferson Radio." Logically, the Redding legislator's proposal could all be included, as could probably everything in counties south of Eugene's Lane County. Problem is, I believe you're left with Chico State, Humboldt State, Southern Oregon, Oregon Tech, and some JCs as the bulk of the educational opportunities, provided Klamath County (OIT) doesn't end up in that East of the Cascades conglomeration.

I don't ever recall a State of Lincoln proposal regarding the Northwest, but the Jefferson issue is legend.




http://www.jeffersonstate.com/

I'd like to play around the with State of Jefferson some more.
Southern Oregon and northern California (SF is in the central part of California, not the northern part. Residents at SF bristle at being lumped in with the northern Californians, and northern Californians have nothing but contempt for SF and the Bay Area in general. Think about Syracuse views NYC, and vise versa, and you have northern California and San Francisco. ) comes in as the 51st state. (Puerto Rico becomes the 52nd. ;D). The capital of Jefferson would be Eureka, not Yreka. Yreka is a very small town in the middle of nowhere and would make you think of Twain's novel Luck of the Roaring Camp. Eureka, on the other hand, is a booming city in California. The University of Southern Oregon would be the University of Jefferson, the liberal arts flagship, with Chico State becoming Jefferson State University, the land grant university. Humboldt State becomes Jefferson Tech.


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 Post subject: Realign the States!
PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:07 am 
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State of Franklin, consisting of the following Areas:

All of West Virginia

All of Kentucky from the Daniel Boone National Forest East, plus Lewis and Greenup Counties.

All of Tennessee East of US 27

The Virginia Counties of Giles, Bland, Tazewell, Wythe, Pulaski, Grayson, Washington, Smythe, Buchannan, Russel, thingyenson, Wise, Scott, and Lee

All of North Carolina West of I77 to Denver, and West of the Catawba River from there.

The South Carolina Counties of Spartanburg, Greenville, Pickens, and Oconee.

Capital at the former Pikeville, Kentucky

State University Systems:

University of Franklin System: Five Equal Doctoral Extensive Campuses (Morgantown, Hunnington, Knoxville, Chatanooga, and Clemson) based on the model of the SUNY system.

Morgantown will emphasize Coprorate Law and Pharmacy.

Hunnington will emphaize Tort Law and Environmental Medicine (Especially Coal and Mining related health problems).

Knoxville will emphasize Electoral and Urban Zoning Law and Family Medicine. Chatanooga will emphasise Criminal Trial Law and Surgery and Internal Medicine(At the former UT Campus Hospital). The University of Tennessee Moves to Murfeesboro.

Clemson will emphasize Rural Land Use and Probate Law, and Rural and Vetrinary Medicine. (And Will be designated the Land Grant College)

South Carolina's Land Grant School is either South Carolina State, Coastal Carolina, or South Carolina-Aiken.

Franklin State University System:

Consists of schools of a statewide nature, but too small and specialized for flagship status.

Franklin Institute
(Formerly West Virginia State)
State Public Affairs College

Franklin School of Mines
(Formerly West Virginia Tech)

Franklin State-Charleston
(Formerly Charleston (WV)University)
Home of Main Hotel and Restaraunt Management School

Franklin State-Morehead
(Formerly Morehead State)
Designated State Performing Arts College. Flagship of the Franklin State System

Franklin State-Wise
(Formerly Virginia-Wise)
Designated State Liberal Arts and Science Master College)

Franklin State-Spartanburg
(Formerly South Carolina-Spartanburg)
Home of Franklin State Police Academy

Franklin State-Tullomha
(Fromerly Tennessee-Tullomha)
Designated State Space Grant University.


University of the Cumberlands system:

Regional Masters Teachers Colleges. All the rest of the former state universities, plus the former Pikeville College, Ashland College(KY), and Cumberland University(KY), the Flagship Campus.

To partially compensate Tennessee for the loss of its outer two thirds, Tennessee will recieve the northern bank of the Tennessee River. The State's Land Grant School Becomes the Combined former Alabama A&M University and University of Alabama at Huntsville. (Call it Tennessee A&M)


What about Alabama's Constitution Hall (state was foiunded in Huntsville)? Maybe they could move it to Montgomery, it's just a city block of buildings so it couldn't be that hard.

Other than that, the north bank is very much its own little state, separated from the rest of Alabama. Plus if you go around Huntsville on a fall Saturday...heck, any time of the year, you see alot of Tennessee flags up, comparable to the # of Bama and Auburn flags (LSU's big too, which is somewhat odd considering the distance). In fact the area is known more by Tennessee Valley, not Tennessee River Valley.

I feel more of a change crossing the Tennessee River than I do the Tennessee state border personally.


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 Post subject: Realign the States!
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:48 pm 
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Also, many capitals have moved from their territorial locations to their statehood locations.

Iowa's capital was originally Iowa City, then moved to Des Moines shortly after Iowa became a state in 1846.

Michigan's capital was originally Detroit, then it was moved to the middle of the state in Lansing.

Illinois' original capital vas Vandalia, then it moved to Springfield.

Nebraska's original territorial capital was Omaha, now its Lincoln.

Kansas's original capital was Ogden, now is Topeka.

Wisconsin's capital was originally Belmont, now its Madison.

I didn't know about Guthrie being the capital before OKC.


Indiana has actually had three capitals. First was Vincennes (as a part of the Northwest Territory), Corydon (first state capital), and Indianapolis (became capital sometime in the 1840's I believe).


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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 5:09 pm 
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(Bringing this back to the front page.)

This originally was an idea of mine I had at another message board that I want to present to this board. Presenting GophersRawk's Greater United States of America(modified of course):

1. Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont merge to form Yankeeland(Capital: Concord)
2. Massachusetts
3. Connecticut and Rhode Island merge to form Lower Massachusetts(Capital: Hartford)
4. Everything in New York state from Woodstock and Poughkeepskie(sic) south plus Northern New Jersey becomes New Amsterdam(Capital: Westchester)
5. New York State is now confined to the north(Capital: Albany)
6. Southern New Jersey becomes Jersey(Capital: Trenton)
7. Pennsylvania loses Philadelphia and the east(New Capital: Johnstown)
8. Philly area and Eastern Pennsylvania become Franklin(Capital: Harrisburg)
9. Maryland absorbs Delaware and Eastern West Virginia
10. Virginia absorbs rest of West Virginia, except for panhandle which goes to Ohio
11. North and South Carolina merge to form Carolina
(Capital: Columbia, SC)
12. Florida loses panhandle except for Tallahasse area
13. Georgia adds Eastern Florida panhandle
14. Alabama, Western Florida panhandle and Mississippi merge to form Redplain(Capital: Tuscaloosa)
15. Tennessee
16. Kentucky
17. Ohio
18. Michigan loses Upper Peninsula
19. Indiana loses area around Chicago
20. Illinois loses Chicago and a few northern counties
21. Chicagoland(Capital: Gary)
22. Wisconsin adds Michigan Upper Peninsula
23. Minnesota
24. North and South Dakota merge to form Dakota(Capital: Bismarck)
25. Nebraska
26. Iowa
27. Kansas and Missouri merge to form Heartland(Capital: Warrensburg, MO)
28. Arkansas and Louisiana merge to form Arkanaland(Capital: Little Rock)
Texas becomes 5 states:
29. Texas (Capital: Houston)
30. Metroplex (Capital: Fort Worth)
31. Rio Grande North (Capital: Austin)
32. West Texas (Capital El Paso)
33. Panhandle (plus Oklahoma panhandle)(Capital: Amarillo)
34. Oklahoma loses panhandle
35. New Mexico
36. Colorado
37. Montana and Wyoming merge to form Yellowstone(Capital: Billings)
38. Washington adds Idaho panhandle
39. Utah adds Southern Idaho and becomes Deseret(Capital: Still Salt Lake City)
40. Arizona
41. Nevada
42. Oregon
California becomes 4 states:
43. North California(Capital: Sacramento)
44. San Andreas (The Bay Area)(Capital: Oakland)
45. South California(Capital: Riverside)
46. The O.C. (Orange County)(Capital: Anaheim)
47. Hawaii
48. Alaska (Plus Yukon)
and now the Canadian annexation
49. British Columbia
50. Alberta
51. Saskatchewan
52. Manitoba
53. Ontario
54. Quebec
and 55. New Brunswick, Newfoundland, Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island merge to form Atlantica(Capital: Halifax)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:37 am 
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This looks like fun!

State: Erie
Postal Abbreviation: ER
Capital: Youngstown (formerly Ohio)
Major Cities: Youngstown (OH), Cleveland (OH), Akron (OH), Pittsburgh (PA), Wheeling (WV), Erie (PA)
Population: ~6.7 million
U.S. Representatives: 10

Universities:
University of Pittsburgh
University of Erie: formerly Youngstown State University
Erie State University: formerly Kent State University
Erie Technological University (Erie Tech): formerly University of Akron
University of Cleveland: formerly Cleveland State University


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:38 pm 
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This could never happen, but if i ran things I'd set this up.

It pretty much merges most of the small states and splits the large states, techically allowing regins to have more say in government.

I have tried to lump communities with similar values/desires together (ie. Sacramento with Reno, rather than with the jefferson seperatist smalltown folk.)

Additionally, I would broker a deal with canada and sell them half of maine. Part of the deal would be that the land would have to be incorporated into anglophone New Brunswick rather than Francophile Quebec. There are probably fewer than 200K Americans living in Northern Maine -- if that. They would have to receive dual citizenship and some compensation. The sale would dramatically help the economy of Eastern canada by allowing the construction of straight shot highways from Quebec City and Montreal to Moncton.

For the most part, we don't live in Northern maine and the Canadians have long been our conscience. It is a good thing to help your allies. Besides, it isn't like they don't have the materials for the deal to profit all of us ---canada produces a ton of our oil.


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