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 Post subject: NEW BCS
PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:41 pm 

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How can you not love the BCS? This pdf says that the maximum points possible for a team to receive in the USA Today poll is 1525...however, USC has 1540. Apparently that team is not simply good, but better than perfect!

I know, it's a simple mistake. But it does make me wonder about other potential mistakes.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:55 pm 
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Smizik? Yeah.. he complains about everything....some deserving ....

It does get tiring to read all the critical articles about the BE though.

All I would like to say is to wait for the evaluation period to end in 2007... if the BE doesn't deserve the BE bid then so be it but at least they have a chance to see what happens on the field.

Unfortunately, I am not hopeful in the BCS matchup as WVUs recent bowl history is not good. I think they are 1-11. I think if UL could have made it they would give a better matchup because of their offense. However, that is why they play the game....


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:14 pm 
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First,article critical of BE FB from Pittsburgh paper in reply #457 which our "in house BE experts"will no doubt belatedly object to.

Secondly,Metro,in regards to your scarcity mentality question,check out article in reply #444 on this thread.
Interesting quotes from Scott Cowen to include,"I think its safe to say that of the old six BCS conferences,the one that is clearly most at risk is the Big East.That's no secret to anybody.Who may replace them,if anybody,I think right now is up in the air".Thanks


That's fine. The rules also say that there could be up to 7 autobid conferences, which could include both the BE and the MWC.

It is the minimum qualifications that need to be met, that and conferences are likely to be evaluated independent of how they stack up against other conferences.


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 Post subject: NEW BCS
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:18 am 
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Yes there should be a playoff between CUSA and MWC as to who is the most underated conference.They used to call it the Liberty Bowl.But now that has changed.


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 Post subject: NEW BCS
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:44 am 
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A play-in between the MWC and BE on the first Saturday of December would be appropriate. Neither has a conference playoff that day. The winner gets a BCS bid. TCU vs West Va or Rutgers? A toss up.


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 Post subject: NEW BCS
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:58 am 
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No the question related to the FAILURE of the mwc and the liberty bowl.This speaks about the real weakness of the mwc.What is the 4th best football program in Texas?TCU What is the 5th or 6th best football program in California?SD ST.Only a mwc fanatic would give an auto bid to a tCU over ND


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 Post subject: NEW BCS
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:07 am 
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Utah filled the Fiesta Bowl last New Years. Also, Utah went to the BCS last year and Notre Dame stayed home. It depends on the year.

There may be something in the BCS rules that states that a non BCS team trumps Notre Dame, if they are ranked in a certain position.

One thing I believe is true, is if Notre Dame was ranked where California was last year, at number 5, and Utah was ranked 6th, Utah would get the bid. Can anyone confirm this?

I will do a check myself.


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 Post subject: NEW BCS
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:16 am 
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It's kind of funny that TS2 seems to now be tying Notre Dame's BCS access to the Big East, as if Notre Dame would be out of the equation if the BE were miraculously tossed.

I'd almost lay a buck that the BCS didn't factor Notre Dame into this Top 6 non-BCS-school equation. You almost want to see it happen just to see what falls out.

I know some media are upset that Oregon is ranked higher than Notre Dame in the BCS standings. They can pound sand while Oregon finally gets comfortable with their new offensive schemes, while Notre Dame couldn't beat a pedestrian Michigan State team in South Bend. Still, I will invite speculation into the possible theory that the SEC and friends are trying to screw Notre Dame out of their special considerations. Comments?


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 Post subject: NEW BCS
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:22 am 
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Yep, according to the BCS website, if Notre Dame would have finished number 5 last year in the BCS polls, behind number 4 Texas and ahead of number 6 Utah, both Texas and Utah would have been guaranteed a spot. Utah for reason number 3 on the link below, and Texas for the 1998 Kansas State rule. Utah and Texas would have gone last year and Notre Dame would of went to the Gator Bowl as a number 5 BCS team in this hypothetical situation. Notre Dame's BCS status would be that it would have been "eligible" for a BCS game if it had 9 or more wins. Whereas Utah and Texas would have a "guaranteed" spot for the BCS. Couple that with the 6 autobid conference qualifiers, and all 8 BCS bids would have been taken, so thus Utah and Texas would be in the BCS and Notre Dame at number 5 and ranked higher than Utah, they would've been in the Gator. So yes in that hypothetical situation, Utah, a MWC team would have gone to the BCS and Notre Dame wouldn't have.

A "guaranteed BCS spot" trumps an "eligible BCS spot".

http://www.bcsfootball.org/index.cfm?page=eligibility


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 Post subject: NEW BCS
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:52 am 
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I agree. Eventually the top four conferences will gang up on ND and their individual BCS slot. Last year they cut their revenue from 15 to 4 million on a BCS appearance. Next they will squeeze them in with the BE in a BCS Bowl partnership similar to their other arrangements. This kills 2 birds with one stone. One slot for both the BE and ND frees up an at large bid to place a second team from their conferences in the BCS to collect more money. It also clears another slot for the MWC if and when they qualify without adding a seventh auto bid. The National title game with four additional BCS games and a lot of money to be made with out government intervention as was the threatened case last year will put the Big Four Conferences together against the rest including ND. Money talks nobody walks.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:20 am 
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Good points BG.... I think its important to note as well that the BCS has not explained how they will account for the fact taht the BE is the smallest at 8 teams and how that that affects the '# of top 25 teams' in the BCS evaluation criteria.

Obviously the same with the Pac10 at 10 teams but I dont think that will matter to any other conference....



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 Post subject: NEW BCS
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:28 am 
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Thanks BG,

Yes, I recognize that. They have the criteria, or the questions to the criteria, they just need to determine the numeric standards by which the criteria will be applied during an evaluation. I never have made reference to the numeric standards that have to be achieved, but have made statement stating "if they meet the primary three criteria" they will be a BCS autobid qualifyer.


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