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fish2027 | | | Re: BCS Selections: Monday Morning QB
« Reply #8 on 12/6/2004 at 7:36pm » | [Quote] [Modify] [Delete] |
Big 12 fans constantly say the Pac10 isnt good however Mack Brown's record vs the pac 10 is lol 2-4 and he never played USC. Texas overall record v pac 10 since 1981 is 3-6.
As the Big 12 isnt quite an academic conference is easy to see why perhaps they think that somehow because Texas scored a lower number than its Pac 10 opponents that perhaps that means they won.
Cal really got screwed. Not only does it have class academically but its coach showed real character by letting the clock run out v Southern Miss and by not pandering for votes as Texas' coach did.
Im in Texas too - how embarrassing!
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:38 pm |
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I'll make an early prediction. With all the whining, Cal won't be ready to play. Even though they are clearly a better team:
Texas Tech 41
Cal 17
Texas has run into the same thing in the Holiday Bowl a couple of times.
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:44 pm |
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<<Cal really got screwed. Not only does it have class academically but its coach showed real character by letting the clock run out v Southern Miss and by not pandering for votes as Texas' coach did.>> Of course, he would have looked bad if he tried to score after the other team gave up the ball on downs in their own territory and he failed to score. There were only 39 seconds left when they took a knee.
I think the real problem with the Cal fans is that they got caught off guard. So did most of the national media. I've figured Texas would catch Cal since before the A&M game if both won out. Its been widely speculated on the Texas boards (certainly not unanimously) for at least a couple of weeks.
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:50 pm |
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As for the USM game, USM has really struggled the last half of the season and Cal did not look like a top 10 team that night. Maybe even not a top 20 team. USM was about to tie the game with 6 minutes left, so the late TD called back wouldn't have made it a blowout. Cal suffered from the "what have you done for me lately" scenario where pollsters look at the last game and not the whole season. But in reality, they didn't lose many votes. And they only needed to lose 3 to Texas to fall behind Texas.
And noone is commenting on how Cal gained 15 points and Utah lost 24 when neither played Thanksgiving weekend.
The lack of knowledge of some of the pollsters matches the lack of knowledge by the ESPN crew. And that is 2/3 of the vote for the BCS. And mindless computers are the other 1/3.
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:59 pm |
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Beyond the BCS:
The fixed nature of the matches causes some of the other problems in bowls. The Holiday Bowl is a great bowl, but it is stuck with #2 Pac 10 and #3 Big 12. The Cotton is stuck with #2 Big 12 and #2-4 (normally #4) from the SEC. And when a conference gets a 2nd team, it distorts those matchups. We could have had Cal vs. Louisville or Miami or Georgia. How about Boise vs. Texas Tech? I wonder what the over/under on that game would be? 100 points?
The fixed games also may be starting to cause some problems. Georgia was getting tired of Tampa, but they got better bowls the last 2 years. Texas has been to the Cotton or Holiday for the last 7 years prior to this year.
The bowls and conferences need to work out some more flexible arrangements.
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:07 pm |
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<<On another thread someone said that they thought that there was a PAC-10 bias, and someone else thought it was a Big East/Big 10 bias. I would agree with the later, but I honestly think that there is a prejudice against the SEC. Probably from jealousy.>>
I know you are being serious, but I still laughed. Pac 10 schools do suffer from being in a different time zone. Out of sight, out of mind. Explain Arizona St. this year to me? Prior to their Arizona loss, their 2 losses were to the #1 and #4 ranked teams in the country, but they rated below a number of 3 loss teams. They blew out Big 10 co-champ Iowa by 37. They beat UTEP by 32 and also beat Northwestern ooc. Big 10 and SEC schools get the benefit of a doubt. And fans in those areas are incredibly paraochial. Perhaps the influx of outsiders in the west makes them a little more open minded. I've lived in Big 10, SEC and Big 12 territory and read the papers in each. I'm a fan of Big 12 and SEC schools.
The SEC gets breaks in the polls, never bias. And the Big 10 gets even more.
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Quote: <<Cal really got screwed. Not only does it have class academically but its coach showed real character by letting the clock run out v Southern Miss and by not pandering for votes as Texas' coach did.>> Of course, he would have looked bad if he tried to score after the other team gave up the ball on downs in their own territory and he failed to score. There were only 39 seconds left when they took a knee.
I think the real problem with the Cal fans is that they got caught off guard. So did most of the national media. I've figured Texas would catch Cal since before the A&M game if both won out. Its been widely speculated on the Texas boards (certainly not unanimously) for at least a couple of weeks.
Yes, but the REASON Texas caught up t Cal was a change in votes from coaches (the AP votes remained the same). When 6 coaches vote Cal #7 or below, it's a bit shady.
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:01 pm |
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Maybe this could be the solution for BCS and Cal and Texas predicament.
Replace the AP and Coaches polls and bring in the French Olympic Skating judges to determine the BCS teams.
If the French Skating judges manipulate and select the wrong teams such as Texas was picked by the AP voters this year, you could then bring in the Japanese Gymnastics team to complain and say Texas loses in the Rose and California wins the Holiday, Texas would then have to forfeit the 15 million dollar BCS money and give back to California.
The sad part is my favorite college sport has been highjacked by this whole BCS mess and unlike Figure Skating and Gymnastics that have to rely on subjective voting practices could be played out on the field.
Please guys the simple solution is a 16 team playoff where California, Texas, Bosie State, Utah, Louisville or whom ever wins Conf USA next year and the big Conferences would all be able to join the party.
Best of all Auburn the team that got the biggest shaft for winning arguably the toughest conference including a championship game and does not get to play for the title. Would USC and Oklahaoma be undefeated if they played a SEC conference schedule. Remember the SEC does not have a weak north division and most of the SEC teams have winning records. Check the Pac 10 for teams that have winning records.
The BCS plain and simple needs to be replaced with a 16 team playoff. Divsion 1AA does it and no impacts to class rooms etc.
The minor bowls could continue.
The College Presidents need to wake up and smell the coffee before some of us die hard college football fans decide that we can get our football fix by following the NFL that has a playoff.
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