Heisman voters are obviously not very knowledgable either. 5 finalists are White, Smith, Leinart, Petersen and Bush. The last 2 have no business being there. It should be Benson and Arrington or maybe even the Auburn QB. After mentioning who were the finalists, they commented that Benson would probably be the #1 pick in the NFL draft.

The stats are below, but they are not formatting well. In passing efficiency Lefors of Louisville is 1st, Smith 2nd, Campbell of Auburn 3rd, White 6th, Rodgers of Cal 7th, Leinart 9th. I didn't include passing yardage, but none of them are at the top as it is the Texas Tech QB and the Hawaii QB who lead.

In yards per game, Thomas of UNT is first with 189 ypg and 6.68 per carry, Arrington is 2nd with 168 ypg and 6.99 per carry (and 1st in total yards), Benson is 4th with 160 ypg and 5.82 per carry, Peterson is 6th with 153 and 5.87 per carry, Bush is 87th!!!! with 69 ypg and 6.08 per carry. In points per game Williams of Memphis is 1st with 12.0/game and 132 total points. Benson is 5th (3rd in total points) with 10.91/game and 120 total points (and 3rd ALL-Time in TDS). Arrington is 32nd with 7.64/game and 84 total points. Bush and Peterson are 39th with 7.5/game and 90 total points (both had 12 game seasons).


PASSING EFFICIENCY
Rank Player Pos Cl Gm Patt Pcomp Comppct Int Intpct Pyds Ydspatt TDs TDpct Rating
1 Stefan Lefors, Louisville
QB SR 11 231 171 74.03 2 .87 2403 10.40 18 7.79 185.4
2 Alex Smith, Utah
QB JR 11 280 185 66.07 4 1.43 2624 9.37 28 10.00 174.9
3 Jason Campbell, Auburn
QB SR 12 254 177 69.69 6 2.36 2511 9.89 19 7.48 172.7
4 Omar Jacobs, Bowling Green
QB SO 11 418 283 67.70 3 .72 3637 8.70 36 8.61 167.8
5 Bruce Gradkowski, Toledo
QB JR 12 387 274 70.80 8 2.07 3475 8.98 27 6.98 165.1
6 Jason White, Oklahoma
QB SR 12 354 231 65.25 6 1.69 2961 8.36 33 9.32 162.9
7 Aaron Rodgers, California
QB JR 11 274 185 67.52 7 2.55 2320 8.47 23 8.39 161.2
8 Kyle Orton, Purdue
QB SR 10 342 213 62.28 5 1.46 2809 8.21 28 8.19 155.4
9 Matt Leinart, Southern California
QB JR 12 377 251 66.58 6 1.59 2990 7.93 28 7.43 154.5
10 David Greene, Georgia
QB SR 11 261 156 59.77 2 .77 2244 8.60 18 6.90 153.2

YARDS RUSHING PER GAME
Rank Player Pos Cl Gm Carries Net TDs Avg Ydspgm
1 Jamario Thomas, North Texas
RB FR 9 256 1709 17 6.68 189.89
2 J.J. Arrington, California
RB SR 11 264 1845 14 6.99 167.73
3 DeAngelo Williams, Memphis
RB JR 11 295 1828 21 6.20 166.18
4 Cedric Benson, Texas
RB SR 11 303 1764 19 5.82 160.36
5 Garrett Wolfe, Northern Ill.
RB SO 10 241 1572 17 6.52 157.20
6 Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma
RB FR 12 314 1843 15 5.87 153.58
7 Ryan Moats, Louisiana Tech
RB JR 12 288 1774 18 6.16 147.83
8 Vernand Morency, Oklahoma St.
RB JR 10 250 1454 12 5.82 145.40
9 Michael Hart, Michigan
RB FR 11 261 1372 9 5.26 124.73
10 Andre Hall, South Fla.
RB JR 11 210 1357 11 6.46 123.36

87 Reggie Bush, Southern California
RB SO 12 137 833 6 6.08 69.42

POINTS PER GAME
Rank Player Pos Cl Gm TDs OKM OKA FGM FGA Points PTPG
1 DeAngelo Williams, Memphis
RB JR 11 22 0 0 0 0 132 12.00
1 Garrett Wolfe, Northern Ill.
RB SO 10 20 0 0 0 0 120 12.00
3 Tyler Jones, Boise St.
K SR 11 0 65 66 22 25 131 11.91
4 Jamario Thomas, North Texas
RB FR 9 17 0 0 0 0 102 11.33
5 Cedric Benson, Texas
RB SR 11 20 0 0 0 0 120 10.91
6 Eric Shelton, Louisville
RB JR 11 19 0 0 0 0 114 10.36
7 P.J. Pope, Bowling Green
RB JR 11 18 0 0 0 0 108 9.82
8 Arthur Carmody, Louisville
K FR 11 0 72 72 11 14 105 9.55
9 Ryan Moats, Louisiana Tech
RB JR 12 19 0 0 0 0 114 9.50
9 Chad Owens, Hawaii
WR SR 12 19 0 0 0 0 114 9.50
11 Carlton Jones, Army
RB JR 11 17 0 0 0 0 104 9.45
12 Stephen Gostkowski, Memphis
K JR 11 0 43 44 20 24 103 9.36
13 Steve Savoy, Utah
WR SO 11 17 0 0 0 0 102 9.27
14 Shaun Suisham, Bowling Green
K SR 11 0 62 62 13 19 101 9.18
15 David Rayner, Michigan St.
K SR 12 0 39 39 22 31 105 8.75
15 Brandon Pace, Virginia Tech
K SO 12 0 42 43 21 26 105 8.75
17 Wali Lundy, Virginia
RB JR 11 16 0 0 0 0 96 8.73
17 Taurean Henderson, Texas Tech
RB JR 11 16 0 0 0 0 96 8.73
19 Andrew Wellock, Eastern Mich.
K SO 11 0 32 33 21 23 95 8.64
20 Reagan Schneider, UTEP
K SO 11 0 48 49 15 20 93 8.45
21 Walter Washington, Temple
QB JR 11 15 0 0 0 0 92 8.36
22 Ryan Killeen, Southern California
K SR 12 0 57 57 14 23 99 8.25
23 Taylor Stubblefield, Purdue
WR SR 11 15 0 0 0 0 90 8.18
24 Chris Nenthingy, Northern Ill.
K FR 11 0 47 48 14 18 89 8.09
25 Josh Cummings, Pittsburgh
K JR 11 0 34 36 18 25 88 8.00
26 Mike Nugent, Ohio St.
K SR 11 0 27 27 20 23 87 7.91
27 Kyle Schlicher, Iowa
K SO 11 0 26 29 20 25 86 7.82
28 Vernand Morency, Oklahoma St.
RB JR 10 13 0 0 0 0 78 7.80
28 Ed Bailey, Rice
RB SR 10 13 0 0 0 0 78 7.80
28 Jon Helmandollar, Boise St.
RB FR 10 13 0 0 0 0 78 7.80
31 Jesse Ainsworth, Arizona St.
K SO 11 0 37 37 16 23 85 7.73
32 Justin Medlock, UCLA
K SO 11 0 39 40 15 19 84 7.64
32 Matt Leach, Florida
K SR 11 0 48 48 12 16 84 7.64
32 J.J. Arrington, California
RB SR 11 14 0 0 0 0 84 7.64
32 Marty Johnson, Utah
RB SR 11 14 0 0 0 0 84 7.64
32 Deric Yaussi, Wyoming
K JR 11 0 33 33 17 23 84 7.64
32 Charles Sharon, Bowling Green
WR JR 11 14 0 0 0 0 84 7.64
38 Connor Hughes, Virginia
K JR 11 0 38 41 15 22 83 7.55
39 Nick Bazaldua, North Texas
K JR 10 0 36 37 13 16 75 7.50
39 Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma
RB FR 12 15 0 0 0 0 90 7.50
39 Noah Herron, Northwestern
RB SR 12 15 0 0 0 0 90 7.50
39 Reggie Bush, Southern California
RB SO 12 15 0 0 0 0 90 7.50
39 Lance Moore, Toledo
WR SR 12 15 0 0 0 0 90 7.50
39 Dusty Mangum, Texas
K SR 10 0 45 46 10 14 75 7.50
39 LenDale White, Southern California
RB SO 12 15 0 0 0 0 90 7.50
46 Matt Nuzie, Connecticut
K JR 11 0 34 38 16 23 82 7.45
47 Garrett Rivas, Michigan
K SO 11 0 33 37 16 21 81 7.36
47 Jon Peattie, Miami (Fla.)
P SO 11 0 42 42 13 22 81 7.36
47 Brian Bostick, Alabama
K SR 11 0 33 33 16 19 81 7.36
50 Alexis Serna, Oregon St.
K FR 10 0 24 27 16 17 72 7.20
50 Maurice Drew, UCLA
RB SO 10 12 0 0 0 0 72 7.20
50 Wendell Mathis, Fresno St.
RB JR 10 12 0 0 0 0 72 7.20
50 Roydell Williams, Tulane
WR SR 10 12 0 0 0 0 72 7.20
50 Chris Henry, West Virginia
WR JR 10 12 0 0 0 0 72 7.20

boy, don't know where you find the time to be so thoroughly thorough, bullet, lol...

aside from the stats, what weight would you assign the "politics"and skills of the pr department at each school?

gotta be at least a third of the vote perhaps?

;D

Reggie Bush also has a lot of receiving yards and return yeards. For total yards per game he's fifth in the nation at 181.75 ypg, and did so with an average 9.91 yards per time he touched the ball. Arrington is the much better running back, but overall Bush is responsible for a lot more of his teams production (Arrington's #'s: 176 and 6.82; Benson: 176.64 & 5.98). Of the five people ranked above Bush in the total yards category their schools are Northern Ill., Memphis, North Texas and Kansas State (Sproles). Given the season's each of those other schools had, and considering their competition, Bush begins to stand out. This isn't a campaign for him, mind you, just a warning not to get caught up in the straight numbers from someone who's used stats for many things as well.

Yes, politics is a large part of it, and too many people throw extra weight into the offensive skill positions. There's also perhaps too much emphasis on who's team is winning. How often are the championship contenders the result of a sound team while some individual raises an also ran into untold heights? Is this supposed to be the most valuable player to their team, to college football as an entity, or simply the best overall player? Given the track record of former Heisman winners in the NFL, I think we're finding the voting is sketchy anyway, and in my view the award has lost some luster because of it.

BTW, ESPN.com's Page 2 has a hilarious article offering acceptance speeches for each of the candidates. Very witty.

I was trying to find Bush anywhere in the stats and had trouble finding him. I finally found him way down the rushing lists. I didn't see him on the receiving leaders, but must have just missed him since he was down a ways. With those #s he's a little more reasonable a pick.

I still go with Arrington and Benson. Both have had great seasons and its not like they are playing for losing teams. And Benson is one of the top backs all time and should be better than 6th, 7th or 8th, whereever he ended up (all time leader in games scoring TDs, 3rd all time in total TDs, 5th all time in rushing and will probably end up 4th after the bowl, one of 5 backs to rush for 1,000 yds 4 years in a row).

This is more politics.
JJ Arrington is the best RB in the country. There is NO way he should be excluded in this. Now, you could argue that perhaps it's Benson, and we will go round and round. But Adrian Peterson, and Reggie Bush? NO way, NO how! This is more politics for the winning teams, and the stupid uninformed media who really don't know much about what they write about generating there own campaign based on pre-season hype.

As for Qb's...it's a little tougher because there are more intangibles vs. which to measure. QB rating is a variable stat created to somehow rate QB's, which it doesn't necessarily do.

If Peterson or Bush wins it will be a travesty. Leinert, White or Smith you could actually make an argument for.
8-)

Leinart 1st, Peterson came out 2nd, Benson a very distant 6th, Arrington 8th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6700005/

Benson did win the Doak Walker.