o.k. we know that 14 team will survive it did in the mac. In this way in the conference championships will be between 2 teams that never meet in the regular season because the chances of schedules were they meet twice is not likely so here how I designed 14 team conferences. Feel free to make your changes I love to see some great ideas. Tell me what you think its just something I made up.

14 Team Conferences

ACC
Division A
Boston College
*Central Florida
Clemson
Florida State
N.C. State
Maryland
Wake Forest

Division B
Duke
*East Carolina
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
Virginia
Virginia Tech

Big East
Division 1
Connecticut
*Massachusetts
*Navy
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
*Villanova
West Virginia

Division 2
*Army
Cincinnati
*Delaware
Louisville
Rutgers
South Florida
*Temple

The Fourteen
East
Indiana
*Indiana St.
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue

West
Illinois
*Illinois St.
Iowa
Minnesota
*Notre Dame
Northwestern
Wisconsin

Big 14
North
Colorado
*Colorado St.
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Nebraska

South
Baylor
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas A&M
*Texas Christian
Texas Tech

PAC 14
North
California
*Fresno St.
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Washington
Washington State

South
Arizona
Arizona State
*Hawaii
*New Mexico
*New Mexico St.
UCLA
USC

SEC
East
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

West
Alabama
Arkansas
*Arkansas St.
LSU
*Louisiana Tech
Mississippi
Mississippi St.

MAC
East
Akron
Bowling Green
Buffalo
Kent State
Miami (OHIO)
Ohio
*Youngstown St.

West
Ball State
Northern Illinois
Toledo
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Western Michigan
*Southern Illinois

CUSA
East
*Florida-Atlantic
*Florida-International
Marshall
Memphis
Southern Miss
Tulane
UAB

West
Houston
*North Texas
Rice
SMU
*Texas State
Tulsa

MWC
North
Air Force
*Boise St.
BYU
*Idaho
*Montana
*Montana St.
Wyoming

South
Utah
*Utah St.
*Nevada
San Diego State
*San Jose St.
UNLV
*UTEP

More Teams that Move to 1-A have to join this conference for 4 years so they can get inline with all requirments.
Florida A&M
Louisiana-Lafayette
Louisiana-Monroe
Middle Tennessee St.
Troy St.
Western Kentucky
McNeese St.
And others.

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Indiana State in the Big 10? ECU in the ACC? Arkansas St in the SEC? I think not.

I Know this I just thining away to come up with 14 team alignment. Please feel free to post your opinons I'm all ears to Ideas I love to here peoples input on this subject.

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I like your ideas joedadi ;D

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I'll give it a whirl

I like the set up of the ACC/ Big 10/Mac mentioned above.

ACC: add Uconn and Syracuse
Big 10: add Pitt, WVU, Notre Dame
Mac: add Rutgers and Temple

To keep it somewhat simple:
SEC: add Louisville and Cincy
Big 14: add TCU and Col. St.
Pac 14: add Utah and New Mexico

MWC: take the 14 top Western teams remaining
CUSA: take the 14 top Southern teams remaining

8 conferences at 14 = 112 teams

4 BIG BOWLS--ONLY CONFERENCE CHAMPS

ROSE: BIG 10 VERSUS PAC 14

FIESTA: BIG 12 VERSUS MWC

SUGAR: SEC VERSUS CUSA

ORANGE: ACC VERSUS MAC

SEED THE 4 WINNERS AND HAVE A SEMIS AND FINALS IN JANUARY.

Whoops..the PAC is only at 12. Add Hawaii and BYU to make it 14.

I want to set the record on PAC-10 expansion. This is from the perspective of an avid Fresno State fan and a PAC-10 generalist fan.

1. FRESNO STATE and San Diego State will NEVER be admitted into the PAC-10. PERIOD! People should avoid discussing an idea that has absolutely no merit. Fresno State and San Diego State are absolutely not academically compatible with the PAC-10 in any way. PAC-10 schools are regarded as research institutions and Fresno and San Diego are regional (not national) universities. These two universities are regarded as sub-standard by the PAC-10 and are not consistent with the PAC-10.

2. The idea that has been passed around about the California Legislature compelling the PAC-10 to admit FRESNO and San Diego is ludicrous. The Cal legislature has NO interest in such an issue nor do the 8 PAC-10 schools that are NOT influenced by the legislature. The only 2 schools influenced by the legislature are CAL and UCLA. This legislative mandate theory thus has no merit.

I'm sure others that have truly followed PAC-10 athletics would agree with this analysis. Thank you for your time!

sig757, who would you think the PAC 10 would go after for lets say 4 other teams?

You see, it is difficult to find 14 for the Pac-10. Hawai'i would fit, both the Colorados would fit, but that is pulling on the Big 12. The big problem in the West is finding enough schools with the correct acacdemics and philolosphies to be acceptable to the presidents of the Pac-10. In a way I can understand, after all, aren't these institutions of learning in the first place.? Sports is supposed to be an annex to the University, remember?

Let us not forget that even in these time of chasing the almighty dollar, we all are interested in college sports because of the fact that they (in most cases) represent the academic achievements we have made. :)

Here is a summary of my belief on PAC-10 expansion to 12 or 14:

1. The PAC-10 will only admit universities that are philisophically, academically and geographically consistent with their current members. (Geographically means: A. represents an entire state / half of state - not just a city (e.g. Arizona / ASU or CAL or UCLA) OR option B - located in same region and is an elite private school)

2. They must bring a rivalry (Oregon and OSU OR USC and UCLA) AND fan base AND probably a TV market

3. FRESNO STATE and SAN DIEGO STATE do NOT meet criteria for catagory 1 NOR will they ever meet the criteria regardless if they get $500 million in research funds or open a medical school. SAN DIEGO STATE actually has a few PhD programs but that still won't cut it. Their overall status is simply unacceptable to meet the academic standards of the PAC-10. Catagory 2 can be debated but it is VERY doubtful it is significant enough to make the PAC-10 turn heads.

4. I truly believe that there are not ample universities available to consider for PAC-10 expansion to 12 MUCH LESS 14. The only options that will ever be considered would be the ones I mentioned in the earlier thread. In my opinion even Nevada and UNLV have a better chance of getting into the PAC-10 than FRESNO or SAN DIEGO STATES and that will never happen in 20 years.

5. Did I say FRESNO and SAN DIEGO will never, NEVER, NEVER, be invited to the PAC-10. Please kill this fruitless issue.

Thank you,

GO FRESNO STATE BULLDOGS

Amen, to that! ;D

Add BYU to that statement (and thus by default Utah), and maybe we won't have to continue to beat dead horses.

This thread is a nice fantasy, but it is a waste of time relative to practical discussions of expansion. :P

Nuff said...
8-)

I don't even think it's a NICE fantasy. I'd kind of like to see schools not get drowned out in the conference power structures.

What I hope is that some of the announcers I heard today are correct, that the BCS will "probably" not extend #1 or #2 slots to a team that fails to win its conference (too bad Notre Dame won't be included in that calculation). If that happens, I think it creates an incentive for conferences to pare down below 12 (it'll take many years, of course), because having an Oklahoma go as far as they did just to lose to Kansas State and blow it all will be seen as counterproductive to trying to put a best face forward.

I have nothing but respect for the Pac Ten. I do believe (IMHO) that the Pac Ten and the Big Ten represent what is best in college football. And I fully agree with the fact that Stanford, Cal, and UCLA are among the best schools in the country and that academics are also stellar at institutions such as Washington and USC.

That said, I must question some of the observations regarding the Pac Ten's academic standards. This is not meant as any type of put-down, but schools like ASU and WSU are hardly considered among the best academically. It is hard to make an argument that a school like SDSU wouldn't find schools within the conference that are a similiar mix to it.

The only reason WSU, OSU and ASU were admitted was because of the intense in-state rivalry between them and their sister schools Universities of Arizona, Wash and Oregon. SAN DIEGO state is OUT!