NCAA Lacrosse Conference Shakeup Coming

http://collegesportsinfo.com/blog/2008/06/ncaa-lacrosse-conference-shakeup-coming.html



Some interesting conference changes might be seen in the near future. Most speculation is based on the proposed Big East lacrosse conference which might come into existence in the coming months.

Major Shakeup specifics:

*Formation of Big East Lacrosse
*Formation of NEC Lacrosse
*Sacred Heart and Robert Morris go from CAA to NEC.
*UMass and Penn State move from ECAC to CAA.
*Villanova goes from CAA to Big East
*ECAC absorbs GWLL


New conference lineups would look as such:


Big East:
Syracuse
Georgetown
Villanova
St. Johns
Providence
Rutgers
Notre Dame

CAA:
Drexel
Hofstra
Delaware
Towson
UMass
Penn State

NEC:
Bryant
Sacred Heart
Robert Morris
Wagner
Mount St. Mary’s
Quinnipiac


ECAC/GWLL:
Loyola
Hobart
Fairfield
Ohio State
Denver
Air Force
* Bellarmine (rumored to be left out)
* Detroit (slated to join GWLL next year but might not be invited to ECAC)


MAAC:
Canisius
Manhattan
Siena
VMI
Saint Joseph's
Marist

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Quinn,looks like BE lax league is official.Article reporting BE Commish making the announcement today at http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-lacros/stories/061108aac.html

Article with update on lacrosse conference realignment at http://laxmagazine.cstv.com/sports/m-lacros/spec-rel/061608aae.html

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Big East:
Syracuse
Georgetown
Villanova
St. Johns
Providence
Rutgers
Notre Dame

CAA:
Drexel
Hofstra
Delaware
Towson
UMass
Penn State
VMI

NEC:
Bryant
Sacred Heart
Robert Morris
Wagner
Mount St. Mary's
Quinnipiac
Hobart

GWLL:
Loyola
Ohio State
Denver
Air Force
Bellarmine
Detroit

MAAC:
Canisius
Fairfield
Manhattan
Siena
Marist
Saint Joseph's

Yes!
thanks for the lists guys!

Of course, what I am really holding out for is Notre Dame going to the Big Ten, and Penn State to the Big East (in all sports). So PSU in the CAA in lax might be a temporary thing.

Looks like the ECAC Lacrosse League will absorb the GWLL in 2010:

http://www.ecacsports.com/lacrosse/2008/news/New_League_2010

Here's a bump for Lacrosse.

Would still love to see a minor shift: Fairfield and Loyloa, MAAC all-sports members, to the MAAC Lacrosse League. And then VMI and St. Joseph's from the MAAC to the ECAC. A minor swap but it would be nice to see the MAAC united with all 6 members together in a single conference.

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2010 conference lineups are set to look as such:


Big East:
Syracuse
Georgetown
Villanova
St. Johns
Providence
Rutgers
Notre Dame

CAA:
Drexel
Hofstra
Delaware
Towson
UMass
Penn State

NEC:
Bryant
Sacred Heart
Robert Morris
Wagner
Mount St. Mary’s
Quinnipiac


ECAC:
Loyola
Hobart
Fairfield
Ohio State
Denver
Air Force
Bellarmine


MAAC:
Canisius
Manhattan
Siena
VMI
Saint Joseph's
Marist


Independants:
John Hopkins
Detroit
Presbyterian

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As I said above, there are only a couple small changes I'd like to see:

* ala the AE, BE, and NEC...the MAAC should unify by forcing Fairfield and Loyola to join and ousting VMI and St. Joes
* ECAC replaces Loyola and Fairfield with independant schools

With only 59 programs, there the NCAA should require the ECAC to admit the independent schools if they want a conference home since they would have no other options (unless the CAA invited a school...Hobart would likely top the list)

ECAC:
Hobart
Ohio State
Denver
Air Force
Bellarmine
* VMI
* Saint Joseph's
* Detroit
* Presbyterian


MAAC:
Canisius
Manhattan
Siena
Marist
* Loyola
* Fairfield


Independants:
John Hopkins

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So please explain why you would leave Johns Hopkins as the lone independent.
I see where you are going, but perhaps the ECAC would be a bit too large.
The "Eastern" in ECAC would certainly be a misnomer....

I like the idea of forcing all schools to play lacrosse in their home conference, if their home conference sponsors lacrosse.
So definitely Fairfield and Loyola belong in the MAAC.

However some of the 6-team conferences look a bit small relative to a proposed expanded ECAC, and could perhaps be 7 or 8 with a independent school in the geographic vicinity. Like the CAA has 2 guest schools PSU (Big Ten) and UMass (A-10). They could perhaps also take in St. Joe's (A-10) and / or VMI (Big South). What do you think ?

Pretty simple: Johns Hopkins wants to be an independent. They aren't in an all-sports conference that sponsors lacrosse, and forcing them to join (like Syracuse next year).

As for the size of the ECAC, it's simply because they are the lone conference that is a collection of independents. So if you sponsor lacrosse at the D1 level, and want access to a tourney autobid, you should be allowed to join the ECAC. It doesn't matter if it's 6 teams or 12, it's a chance at an autobid without having to expand the tourney.

The rationale for these conferences sponsoring lacrosse in 2010 is to increase their marketing visability. Look at the Big East and NEC. As for the CAA, they are following the model they have for football with associate members as the minority. Would the CAA be at 8-9 teams if they had 6 all-sports members? No. They would have no need for associate members.

So I only see the associate member path for conferences that don't have 6 all-sports members of their own.

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Thanks Quinn.

I don't follow lacrosse that closely (as you can probably tell).

So evidently the lacrosse championships offer Johs Hopkins about as good of an opportunity to get in with an at-large, as by winning a conference. I assume that is how they rationalize remaining independent.

Out here in the midwest (and elsewhere) lacrosse is steadily gaining more interest at the high school level, and that should feed on upward...

Going to UMass, I was fortunate to be around a great program. John Hopkins aside, one of the biggest issues with the new Big East lacrosse was Syracuse. Syracuse would rather remain independent. They can set their schedule as they wish, maintain rivalries and a good SOS to prep for the tournament. They will lose long standing rivalries now with schools like UMass and instead, they will have to play Providence (6-9 this year), St. Johns (5-8), and Rutgers (4-10). They will play Georgetown and Notre Dame, both solid programs though. Villanova is having a better year in 09;

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So would a school in Syracuse's situation (playing a BE conf. Schedule) have a pile of OOC games to schedule as they wish ?
How many games are in a typical season ?
Do they play the other 6 BE teams twice (12 games) or maybe 4 times each (24 games) ?

Thanks.

Tute (as in mass. instiTUTE of technology).... I wonder if we still have a lacrosse team ?