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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 12:45 pm 
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For those who missd it, I've added something new. It's a breakdown of each school and some possibilities.



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http://collegesportsinfo.com/grid

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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2003 5:41 am 
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Very nice, and well thought out. I applaud your attention to detail.


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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2003 12:01 pm 
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KingCal, your Grid is very informative and contains a lot of facts on possible scenarios for expansion.

The Atlantic 10 expansion with football could possibly become more than a long shot if the ACC expands with Syracuse and BC.

Big East basektball is the primary reason that the Atlantic 10 originally failed as a major conference. Actually the hybrid conference concept started by the preecessor to the Atlantic 10, the Eastern 8, probably has more to do with the failure of eastern football. The Eastern 8 was in existance before either the BE or Atlantic 10.

If the old Eastern 8 had expanded with all sports including football, the east may be in better position to expand.

Syracuse orginially did not want to join the Eastern 8 and help form the present day Big East. Both of these scenarios created the complicated Big East hybrid conference that is not working today.

With the BE basketball conference dominating the eastern TV markets with big city basketball schools, the Atlantic 10 could never establish it self. This lead to Penn State joining the Big 10 to improve all sports especially basketball.

With Syracuse and Boston College out of the TV grid of the BE basketball, a new version of the Atlantic 10 for all sports could soon dominate the eastern TV markets. Even with Notre Dame aligning with the BE basketball schools, the conference will never be able to dominate the eastern markers again. Syracuse, Boston, and eventually Pittsburgh markets will severly impact the BE basketball TV marketing ability to dominate the east. Additionally the ACC intrusion into NY and Boston would further hurt the BE bb TV markets.

If the Pac 10 and Big 10 deside to keep round robin and remain at 10 or 11 members, Penn State may rejoin the Atlantic 10. This time around would not be facing TV domination of the eastern basketball schools. Yes the ACC would be present, however, the ACC is not going to carry the entire east with Syacuse and BC. This is a big hole in the estimates for all the money they are predicting. Will get to that point latter.

1. UMass upgrades for football
2. UConn replaces Rhode Island with div 1 football
3. Penn State returns
4. Rutgers returns
5. WVU returns
6. Va Tech replaces orginial member George Wash
7. Pitt finally is united again with PSU
8. Temple has remained in waiting
9. Marshall - Delaware could work with upgrade to 1A
10. Louisville - Maryland would be great

It would be worth it to see Penn State return and finally see the Atlantic 10 rise above the Big East in all sports. If the Atlantic 10 could get Penn State, the ACC additions with BC and Syracuse could really back fire and ACC football expansion in the east could become a major disater for football. The basketball side of Syracuse and BC would not falter and may improve in the ACC, however, both will not dominate the east as the ACC is predicating for either football or basketball.

The Atlantic 10 may be able to accomplish this feat without Penn State. The Atlantic 10 could create future problems with the ACC expansion into the eastern TV markets especially if the Atlantic 10 keeps BCS status.

Including all these state schools have a lot of US Senators to go to bat to keep the BCS bid in tack for eastern div 1 football schools. The state of Virginia is already showing support for Va Tech.


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2003 1:12 pm 
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Great Grid with a lot of work!!

My comment is I question how only a couple of years of football success has moved Marshall up so far? They were the MAC champion and barely beat a 6-5 ECU team that was up on them by 30 pts?

ECU has had a couple of down years but consider this:
1) In one of the fastest growing states in the nation
2) Invested over $46 Million in the past 6 years in facilities
3) Have quality wins in the past 10 years = 2 straight over Miam, 2 over WVU, 2 over Syracuse.
3) Wins over ACC, PAC 10, BIG 12, BE, SEC
4) Has 3 home games OVER 50k attendance

Memphis hasnt had a winning season in200yrs, Cincy just now is getting to .500.

I will go take my meds now.


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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2003 5:23 am 
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I think ECU is a good mid-major football program. They have had a couple of good wins. But losing to Duke (which had lost 22 in a row before beating ECU) and Wake Forest and UAB every year seems to hurt this program. In addition, their basketball program is the doormat of the C-USA and always finished last when they were in the Colonial Conference.

Based upon the grid, I think the best alignments to be:

(C-USA)
UAB, Tulane, Memphis, Houston, TCU, So Miss, ECU, USF

(New Big East)
Va Tech, WVU, Marshall, Temple, UConn, Louisville, Cincy, Rutgers

(New League)
WEST - Xavier, Dayton, Marquette, DePaul, St. Louis, Duquesne
EAST - St. John's, G'town, Providence, Seton Hall, St. Joe's, LaSalle

(New Colonial)
NORTH - UMass, Rhode Island, Maine, New Hampshire, N'eastern, Hofstra
SOUTH - Richmond, James Madison, Wm & Mary, Appalachian St, Delaware, Towson St

(New Atlantic 10 or 8)
George Mason, George Washington, Virginia Commonwealth, Old Dominion, UNCW, Charlotte, Charleston, Georgia St






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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2003 6:24 am 
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Wow, would Tulane really drop football? They were a founding member of the SEC have been playing it forever, it seems. That would be a horrible shame, probably the biggest loss of a program in a long time.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 12:09 pm 
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Updates have been made to the grid at http://collegesportsinfo.com/grid . If you have anything to add or share, feel free to email them to me directly at quinn@collegesportsinfo.com.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 4:08 pm 
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UPDATED on 6/27:

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:21 pm 
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KingCal, nice grid. It would only take a little effort to update with the July 1 developments.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2003 8:42 pm 
I have my own grid. Seeing as UMass is already struggling with paying for a I-AA program, don't look for them to move up.

I-A Football:
ACC: Gets either Vanderbilt or Goergia, which are both in talks with them accoridng to my sources

Big 12: gets Arkansas

SEC: Gets Southern Miss and Memphis

Big East: Gets Marshall, East Carolina, Louisville, Cincy along with UConn coming in

Sun Belt: Gets Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Troy St,
UAB, Houston, Tulane and S. Florida

CUSA - Dissolves

The outliers go to the Moutain West



I-AA football then goes through a major facelift which is needed
Southern: Furman, Elon, Wofford, VMI, Citadel, Samford, Hampton, William & Mary, Towson, Coastal Carolina, Davidson

CAA: Delaware, App State, Gerogia Southern, James Madison, Villanova, UTC, Tenn Tech, Eastern Kentucky, Western Kentucky, NC A&T, SC State

MEAC: Loses A&T, SCSU, Hampton but picks up Winston-Salem St, NC Central and Savannah St

Gateway: Picks up Eastern illinois and Murry State

OVC: Dissolves as a football league

Big South: Picks up OVC football remnants along with current members

A-10: Then gets filled Richmond and the rest of the NE football schools including Georgetown
Patriot: Remains the same only losing Georgetown and Towson

Now to basketball:
This would acuse the formation of new conferences on the east...

Big South becomes a public school basketball confernce: College of Charleston, Winthrop, Radford, UNCA, ETSU, Georgia St, Charlotte, UNCW, VCU, ODU, Georgia Mason, UNCG

A-Sun becomes a private school conference: High Point, Campbell, Lipscomb, Mercer, Stetson, Birmingham Southern, Belmont, Longwood, and the likes.

New Basketball Conf: Xavier, Dayton, Marquette, DePaul, St. Louis, Duquesne, St. John's, Providence, Seton Hall, St. Joe's, LaSalle



Granted, none of this would happen, but this would tend to align schools to better serve each other than have a ton of leagues fighting over being public vs private, or big vs small, or basketball vs football.TEXTTEXT


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Conference Realignment Grid of Possibilities UPDATE to come on Monday, September 29th.

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Updates have been added:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 9:07 am 
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Great job on the updates, KingCal..

Good to review this all again in light of the current status of things...

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America East Conference
Albany*
Binghamton
Boston U.
Hartford
Maine*
New Hampshire*
Northeastern*
Stony Brook*
Vermont

Atlantic 10 Conference
Dayton*
Duquesne*
Fordham*
Geo Washington
La Salle*
Massachusetts*
Rhode Island*
Richmond*
St. Bonaventure
St. Joseph's
Temple*
Xavier

Atlantic Coast Conference
Clemson*
Duke*
Florida State*
Georgia Tech*
Maryland*
N.C. State*
North Carolina*
Virginia*
Wake Forest*

Atlantic Sun Conference
Belmont
Campbell
Central Florida*
Fla Atlantic*
Georgia St
Jacksonville*
Jacksonville St.*
Mercer
Samford*
Stetson
Troy State*

Big 12 Conference
Baylor*
Colorado*
Iowa State*
Kansas*
Kansas State*
Missouri*
Nebraska*
Oklahoma*
Oklahoma State*
Texas*
Texas A&M*
Texas Tech*

Big East Conference
Boston College*
Connecticut*
Georgetown*
Miami*
Notre Dame*
Pittsburgh*
Providence
Rutgers*
Seton Hall
St. John's
Syracuse*
Villanova*
Virginia Tech*
West Virginia*

Big Sky Conference
Eastern Wash.*
Idaho State*
Montana*
Montana State*
Northern Arizona*
Portland State*
Sacramento State*
Weber State*

Big South Conference
Char. Southern*
Coast Carolina*
Elon University*
High Point
Liberty*
NC Asheville
Radford
Winthrop

Big Ten Conference
Illinois*
Indiana*
Iowa*
Michigan*
Michigan State*
Minnesota*
Northwestern*
Ohio State*
Penn State*
Purdue*
Wisconsin*

Big West Conference
Cal Poly*
CS-Northridge
Fullerton State
Idaho*
Long Beach State
Santa Barbara
U of the Pacific
UC Irvine
UC Riverside
Utah State*

Colonial Athletic Association
Delaware*
Drexel
George Mason
Hofstra*
James Madison*
NC Wilmington
Old Dominion
Towson*
VA Commonwealth
William & Mary*

Conference USA
Charlotte
Cincinnati*
DePaul
East Carolina*
Houston*
Louisville*
Marquette
Memphis*
South Florida*
Southern Miss*
St. Louis
TCU*
Tulane*
UAB*

Division I Independents
Birmingham Sou
Centenary
David Lipscomb
Gardner Webb*
Morris Brown*
TX A&M Corp Chris
Tx Pan American
Northern Colorado*
UC Davis*
Savannah State*

Horizon League
Butler*
Cleveland St.
Detroit
Illinois (Chi.)
Loyola Chi
Wisc. Green Bay
Wisc. Milwaukee
Wright St
Youngstown State*

Ivy League
Brown*
Columbia*
Cornell*
Dartmouth*
Harvard*
Pennsylvania*
Princeton*
Yale*

Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference
Canisius*
Fairfield*
Iona*
Loyola MD
Manhattan
Marist*
Niagara
Rider
Siena*
St. Peter's*

Mid Continent Conference
Chicago St
Indiana Purdue
Oakland
Oral Roberts
Southern Utah*
UMKC
Valparaiso*
Western Illinois*

Mid-American Conference
Akron*
Ball State*
Bowling Green*
Buffalo*
Central Michigan*
Eastern Michigan*
Kent State*
Marshall*
Miami (OHIO)*
Northern Illinois*
Ohio*
Toledo*
Western Michigan*

Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference
Bethune Cookman*
Coppin St
Delaware State*
Florida A&M*
Hampton*
Howard*
MD Eastern Shore
Morgan State*
N. Carolina A&T*
Norfolk State*
South Carolina St*

Missouri Valley Conference
Bradley
Creighton
Drake*
Evansville
Illinois State*
Indiana State*
Northern Iowa*
SMS*
Southern Illinois*
Wichita State

Mountain West Conference
Air Force*
BYU*
Colorado State*
New Mexico*
San Diego State*
UNLV*
Utah*
Wyoming*

Northeast Conference
Central Conn.*
Fair thingyinson
LIU Brooklyn
MD Baltimore Co
Monmouth (N.J.)*
Mt. St. Marys
Quinnipiac
Robert Morris*
Sacred Heart*
St. Francis (NY)
St. Francis (PA)*
Wagner*

Ohio Valley Conference
Austin Peay*
Eastern Illinois*
Eastern Kentucky*
Morehead State*
Murray State*
SE Missouri State*
Tenn. Martin*
Tennessee State*
Tennessee Tech*

Pacific-10 Conference
Arizona*
Arizona State*
California*
Oregon*
Oregon State*
Stanford*
UCLA*
USC*
Washington*
Washington State*

Patriot League
American
Army*
Bucknell*
Colgate*
Holy Cross*
Lafayette*
Lehigh*
Navy*

Southeastern Conference
Alabama*
Arkansas*
Auburn*
Florida*
Georgia*
Kentucky*
LSU*
Mississippi*
Mississippi St.*
South Carolina*
Tennessee*
Vanderbilt*

Southern Conference
Appalachian St.*
Coll Of Charltn
Davidson*
East Tenn. St.*
Furman*
Georgia Southern*
NC Greensboro
The Citadel*
UT-Chattanooga*
VMI*
Western Carolina*
Wofford*

Southland Conference
Lamar
Louisiana Monroe*
McNeese State*
Nicholls State*
Northwestern St.*
Sam Houston St.*
SE Louisiana*
Stephen F. Austin*
Texas State*
Tex San Antonio
Texas Arlington

Southwestern Athletic Conference
Alabama A&M*
Alabama State*
Alcorn State*
Ark Pine Bluff*
Grambling*
Jackson State*
Miss. Valley St.*
Prairie View*
Southern*
Texas Southern*

Sun Belt Conference
Arkansas LR
Arkansas State*
Denver
Florida Intl*
La Lafayette*
Middle Tenn. St.*
New Mexico State*
New Orleans
North Texas*
South Alabama
Western Kentucky*

West Coast Conference
Gonzaga
Loyola Marymnt
Pepperdine
Portland
San Diego*
San Francisco
Santa Clara
St. Mary's (CA)*

Western Athletic Conference
Boise State*
Fresno State*
Hawaii*
Louisiana Tech*
Nevada*
Rice*
San Jose State*
SMU*
Tulsa*
UTEP*


*Has Football program

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 3:32 pm 
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KingCal,

Couple 'o questions about the gird:

1) Why do you even have MTSU considered for the WAC? They are way out of the WAC footprint. UNT, ASU or UL-L would be more likely candidates, right?

2) What reasoning do you have for saying that the Cajuns won't make the 2005 criteria?


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