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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:04 am 
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It seems shameful to leave Alaska and Hawai'i out of that mix.... :D


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Pather, with all the recent TV revenue talk of late, what is conferences really treated sports like businesses and acquired only the best money makers (markets, success):

SEC:
Florida
Florida St.
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M
Kansas
Nebraska

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:44 am 
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tute79 wrote:
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It seems shameful to leave Alaska and Hawai'i out of that mix.... :D


True... but I was going to see which Pacific Territories and Countries have 'American Universities' and include them there. ;)


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:47 am 
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Quinn wrote:
Pather, with all the recent TV revenue talk of late, what is conferences really treated sports like businesses and acquired only the best money makers (markets, success):

SEC:
Florida
Florida St.
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M
Kansas
Nebraska


Under that specific scenerio, I too would have cut Vandy, Ole Miss and MSU.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:52 am 
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'Big Boys' conference or 'Juggernauts' Conference (ie the 14 biggest athletic budgets as of 6/30/2007:

Ohio State
Florida
Texas
Vols
Michigan
Wisconsin
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Penn State
UGa
'Huskers
Sooners
UTA&M

PS - I'm sure freaked posted an updated list of largest athletic budgets but I didn't look for it.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:04 pm 
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Here's a couple...

I'd like to see the west coast have a better split of "tier 2" conferences after the Pac 10 based on geography:

Pac 10:
Washington
Washington St.
Oregon
Oregon St.
Utah
Colorado

Stanford
Cal
UCLA
USC
Arizona
Arizona St.



MWC:
Boise St.
BYU
Utah St.
Wyoming
Colorado St.
Air Force

New Mexico
UTEP
TCU
Nevada
UNLV
San Diego St.




WAC:
Idaho
Montana
Montana St
Weber St.
Northern Colorado
Northern Arizona

NMSU
Fresno St.
San Jose St.
Sac St.
UC Davis
Hawaii

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:06 am 
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Note, I do not want Pitt in the Big 10 but prefer the ACC. However, having said that, this would also be 'ok' 'Big 10 plus 6' in my book.

9 game conference schedule. Unfortunately, it would take a LONG time to play all of the teams in the other division. That's the problem when you move beyond 12. Anyway, I put OSU and Michigan in the West and PSU/ND in the east to balance out the divisions. Putting Purdue and MSU in the east gives ND two more annual historical opponents.

Both Indiana and NWestern are in problems because they need the other schools to help them with attendance. Indiana is in a tough spot because they would now be in the East with only Purdue and ND 'close'. IMO, OSU doesn't make sense in the east. OSU is needed in the west to balance divisions and keep their annual game against Michigan.

Big 16 conference:

Big 16 West:
Minny
Wisc
Illinois
NWestern
OSU
Michigan
Iowa
Missouri

Big 16 East
ND
PSU
Pitt
RU
SU
Purdue
Indiana
MSU

Alternatively, if you only goto 14, I, as a Pitt fan, would obviously keep Pitt and I would cut Rutgers and Missouri and keep the divisions the same.

The only annual trophy that would be lost would be Michigan-MSU (Paul Bunyan). The Purdue Cannon (Ill-Purdue) and Govenor's Victory Bell (PSU-Minny) would also be lost but they are not played every year.

Other permanent games lost (guaranteed currently in the Big 10):
OSU - PSU
Ill - Indiana
Purdue - NW

BB would work the same as the Big East.


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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 4:45 pm 
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Here's my idea for a dream alignment. Almost purely geographical, with consideration going to classic rivalries and TV markets. Providing balance not just for today, but with an eye to the future. Here we go...

BIG EAST
- North -
BC
Conn
'Cuse
Rutgers
Penn St
Pitt

- South -
Temple
Maryland
WVU
Marshall
Virginia
Va Tech

ACC
- East -
UNC
NC State
Duke
Wake
S. Car
Clemson

- West -
Kentucky
L'ville
Tenn
Memphis
Vandy
Cincinnati

SEC
- East -
Georgia
GA Tech
Florida
Florida State
Miami
S. Florida

- West -
'Bama
Auburn
Ole Miss
Miss St
Tulane (was actually competitive a couple years ago, also provide recruiting challenger to LSU)
LSU

BIG 10
- North -
Michigan
Mich St
Wisc
Minn
Iowa
Iowa St

- South -
Ohio St
Indiana
Purdue
Notre Dame
NWestern
Illinois

BIG XII
- North -
Mizzou
Nebraska
Kansas
Kansas St
Oklahoma
OK State

- South -
Arkansas
Baylor (would rather SMU, but I think we're stuck with these guys)
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Houston (huge TV market)

M'WEST
- North -
Wyoming (maybe moving into a major conference would help this program)
Colorado
CO State
Utah
BYU
Nevada

- South -
TCU
UTEP
New Mexico
Arizona
AZ State
UNLV (provides a growing TV market)

PAC 10
- North -
Montana (has competed well in FCS, maybe time for a move up?)
Boise St
Washington
WA State
Oregon
OR State

- South -
Stanford
Cal
Fresno St
USC
UCLS
San Diego St (bad team, good market)

Each conference has a champ game, #1 ranked team gets a 1st round bye in a 3-round playoff.

Simple & do-able, IMO. Comments welcome...


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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 11:59 am 
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Since we'll have 121 FBS teams in 2013, I'd thought it'd be fun to do 11x11:

Big Ten - no changes
Pac Ten - adds Colorado
Big Twelve - does not replace Colorado, stays at 11
Big East - adds Notre Dame football, Boston College, South Carolina
ACC - does not replace Boston College, stays at 11
SEC - does not replace South Carolina, stays at 11

Mountain West - adds Boise State, UTEP, Houston
WAC - adds Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Louisiana-Lafayette
Sun Belt - adds South Alabama football, UAB, Central Florida
Conference USA - adds Army, Navy, Buffalo, Temple (all sports)
MAC - does not replace Buffalo or Temple football, stays at 11


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:09 pm 
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The Big Ten adds Notre Dame to bring them up to 12.
The MAC adds Army and Navy to bring them up to 15. Now there are no independent teams left.
Eastern Michigan drops down to division 2 to make the MAC 14 teams.
The Pac Ten adds Colorado and Utah to bring them up to 12.
The Big Twelve adds TCU to replace Colorado.
The WAC adds Montana, North Dakota, and South Dakota to bring them up to 12.
Conference USA disolves and sends all of its members to other conferences:
The Big East adds Marshall, ECU, Memphis, and UCF to bring them up to 12.
The Mountain West adds Rice, SMU, UTEP, Houston, and Tulsa to replace TCU and Utah, which brings the Mountain West up to 12.
The Sun Belt adds UAB, Southern Miss, and Tulane to bring them up to 12.
Now all of the conferences have atleast 12 teams and there are no independents.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:53 pm 
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davids, I like how you put my CMU Chippewas in the Big Ten. The world needs more people like you.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:37 pm 
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long-time first-time here. Colorado State alum, MWC fan.

Based on the past few weeks' shenanigans and the general fear/hope emanating from Big10's potential expansion to 14/16, here's one Ram's view of potential superconferences (presented in clusters of 4) playing out over the next 2-3 yrs:

Big10(16):
UMinn - UIowa - UNeb - UTex
UWis - Northwestern - UIllinois - Vanderbilt
UMich - MSU - IndU - Purdue
PSU - OSU - Rutgers - UMaryland

note: ND will not join Big10...institutional memory from early in the 20th century

SEC grows to 16:
LSU - UMiss - MSU - UAla
AubU - UG - UF - FSU
VaTech - UKen - UTenn - USCar
UOkla - OklaState - UArk - aTm

note: SEC follows thru with UO/aTm invite...OSU tags along

ACC(14):
BC - SyrU - Temple - UConn
UPitt - ND - UV - ?
UNC - NCSU - DU - WFU
Clemson - GT - UMia - ?

notes:
- ND sees the coming changes and joins ACC (better exposure/markets and pokes the collective eye of Big10)
- roundball-happy ACC invites Temple and pushes further into Philly market
- can't see academic/cultural fits for spots 15 & 16, and I think BE remnants (UWV, ULou, UCin, USFla) aren't to ACC's liking.

MWC(16):
SDSU - UNLV - BSU - FresnoState
BYU - CSU - UW - AFA
UNM - TexasTech - TCU - UH
UKansas - KSU - UMissouri - IowaState

notes:
- this is the conference I follow most closely
- MWC is on-track to petition for (or outright achieve) AQ status in a couple of yrs
- biggest of the Big12(10) have joined other conferences (UTexas, aTm, UOkla), leaving 6 plains/TX schools
- 4 plains schools are in their own group (rivalries/tradition intact)
- TTU and UH are on-track to become Tier1 schools in 3-5 yrs...plus, they're a natural geographical/cultural fit with UNM/TCU
- 4 of the 'gang of 5' are in their own group (BYU/CSU/UW/AFA)

PAC12:
UW - WSU - UO - OSU
SU - UCB - UCLA - USC
UA - ASU - UU - UC

note: the PAC is most hamstrung in terms of expansion. They've clearly stated their desire for academic/cultural matches (which is good), and aside from UTexas, there are no other good matches in the western US. The potential expansion this spring (Big12 south) was a bold, praise-worthy move, and I don't see how they can regain the attention/momentum again.

AQ schools left out of this expansion scenario: UWV, ULou, UCin, USFla, Baylor. These schools (with the exception of Baylor) fall thru the cracksgeographically/academically/culturally. Baylor had all the funding & motivation to become a beast in the Big12, and they just didn't.

Let it be known I have no ill will toward Big East. Ill will toward UColorado, yes, but not toward the Big East.

Could the BE 4 mentioned above join with Big12(10) plains schools? Yes, tho that makes for very odd set up, more so than the plains schools joining the MWC.

Anyway, just wanted to add $.02


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:16 am 
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Lets take the top 64 teams by attendance last year and put them into 4 conferences of 16

From the PAC-10 (12) we take all the teams except Wazzu

To the remaining 11 we add Hawaii, BYU, KU, KSU and Mizzou

In the South we take the teams from the Big XII (South) and SEC (mainly West)

Texas, TX A&M, TX Tech, Baylor, OU, OSU
Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, MSU, Alabama, Auburn and Tennessee, Georgia (from East)

And we add TCU and Georgia Tech

Two of the remaining SEC teams join with the ACC (BC, WF and Duke miss out) and some Big East teams

Florida, S Carolina
FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, NCSU, UV, VA TECH, Maryland
UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers, USF

To these we add ECU, UCF

The Big Ten (apart from Northwestern) adds the rest

Iowa St, Pitt, W Virginia, Notre Dame, UK

BCS Teams that miss out: WSU, Vandy, WF, Duke, BC, Louisville, Cincinnati, Northwestern
Non-BCS Teams that get in: BYU, Hawaii, ECU, UCF, TCU

So we are left with

Western

Pacific Div: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, OSU, Washington, Hawaii
Mountain Div: UA, ASU, UU, BYU, Colorado, KU, KSU, Mizzou

Southern

West Div: UT, TAMU, TTU, TCU, BU, OU, OSU, Arkansas
East Div: LSU, Ole Miss, MSU, Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, UG, GA Tech

Atlantic

North Div: SU, Rutgers, UConn, Maryland, UV, VA Tech, UNC, NCSU
South Div: UF, FSU, Miami, UCF, USF, S Carolina, Clemson, ECU

Mid-West

Western Div: Nebraska, Iowa, ISU, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, MSU, Illinois
Eastern Div: Indiana, Notre Dame, Purdue, OSU, PSU, Pitt, UWV, UK


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:01 am 
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The bottom 56 as regards attendance could them be placed in 4 conferences of 14 teams

Western

North Div: Wazzu, Idaho, Boise St, Wyoming, Utah St, AF, Colorado St
South Div: New Mex, NMSU, SDSU, SJSU, Fresno St, Nevada, UNLV

Southern

West Div: UTEP, UNT, SMU, Houston, Rice, Tulsa, Arkansas St
East Div: LA Tech, ULL, ULM, Tulane, So Miss, UAB, Troy

Eastern

North Div: BC, Buffalo, Army, Navy, Marshall, WKU, Louisville
South Div: FAU, FIU, WF, Duke, Vandy, MTSU, Memphis

Northern

East Div: Cincinnati, Ohio, Bowling Green, Kent St, Akron, Miami (OH), Temple
West Div: No Illinios, N'Western, Ball St, EMU, WMU, CMU, Toledo


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Hey guize, Lurker here. I've been working on one final conference realignment scenario. It'll contain usual Lurker shenanigans -- fawning over Delaware and British Columbia, etc.. -- though it's a bit more downplayed here. I'll be posting this is parts, starting with the BCS and continuing into D-1A and the 'power' mid-major basketball conferences. I'll also write a little explanation on why I think this situation is plausible.

So this is what College Athletics will look like around ten years in the future.

Big Fourteen

North-
Iowa
Penn State
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame

South-
Illinois
Missouri
Nebraska
Indiana
Purdue
Ohio State
Northwestern

The marbles will start dropping when the Big Ten makes the obvious move. Spurred on by rampant speculation about a raid on the Big East, Notre Lame jumps ship and heads to the most powerful and smartest conference in the nation. Missouri is the obvious choice since ND covers New York pretty well on its own.

Bison Atheltic Association:

Colorado/Oklahoma
USC/UCLA
Texas A&M/Texas
Arizona/Arizona State
Nevada Las Vegas

Hey, It's Lash's TOP TEN CONFERENCE YAY! Oh, wait nine schools for scheduling. First, I think the massive changes and Texas' power will lead to a suspension of the NCAA conference membership rule temporarily (though the NCAA can be rightful jerks).

Texas and Lebron share something in common: They want to take the path of least resistance. However, In Texas' case they should achieve this in the opposite way: By surrounding themselves with the west-coast schools instead of the more football oriented east coast. 1st) As a resident of Tennessee and in constant contact with UT football, I think the hiring of Lane Kiffin, combined with the probation from TV, is going to knock USC down a notch. The guy can flat out NOT coach. So I look for them to be a still consistent bowl team on the level of a UCLA.

Colorado, UNLV and Arizona are what I like to call 'Houston' schools. What is a Houston school? Why, it's a school in a big market that may not draw well, but provides exposure and a free W. Colorado has a history as a football school but has fallen on hard times. Arizona provides solid Bball. Now, the wild card here is UNLV. I think that this school is often underrated because A) Nevada grows quickly and B) the lack of BCS schools or even Pro Sports teams within 100 miles. Due to the RPI rating system, longer season and intense out-of-conference schedule, it's NOT a good idea to have 2 good Basketball teams and 8 bad ones. UNLV fits the profile of a model member of the Texas and the White Dwarfs.

The big question: How did Texas and A&M manage to ditch Tech? Well, they parlayed the help of a school with growing influence by promising them a BCS slot, the 40,000 strong giant that is the .... Houston Cougars. Soon, the university will be tier 1. The recent upswell of support, highlighted by this effort: http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/ConfrenceUSASporta/201006180044

... will allow the Texas Two to power play Tech and Baylor out of the picture for good. But who will be the taker?

Second, Why Niether Cal? Well, Lawsuits are bad, and the Oregon and Washington schools will be mighty ticked if the last California public is taken away from them, ending the PAC Ten and forcing a Fresno State-esque school upon them. Plus, Cal stretches a conference that already expands from Austin to Boulder to LA.

Southeastern Conference (West):

Houston
Arkansas
Louisiana State
Mississippi
Florida State
Alabama
Auburn

Southeastern Conference (East):

Virginia Tech
Mississippi State
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Kentucky
Tennessee

Spurned on by the *NEW* Big Twelve, the SEC will also consider expansion. Texas has been a priority for the SEC for a while, so why not go with the largest and now academically best school on the market? The best thing though, is that compared to schools like Auburn, Alabama and Louisiana State, the cougars are well.. sort of a pushover? This conference will be absolutely brutal, so relief with a school that is not a long term power is quite a fresh drink of water indeed.

Florida State will jump at the opportunity to leave a woebegone but still rich ACC for greener pastures, and the always football oriented Virginia Tech will come with them, not preferring to stay home in a ACC conference that is no longer a football powerhouse on any level. I moved Mississippi State over to balance out the conferences. In the first three years, the bulldogs will achieve over 20 conference losses.



Lower Tier BCS:

Pacific Nine:

Utah
Boise State
Brigham Young
california
Stanford
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State

Well, normally I would decide that the Snobby Ten would go ahead and turn its nose up at the supposed lower peons at Boise and BYU, but when options include Nevada, Hawaii and... New Mexico, you really have to consider some more betterer options. Again, Nine will become the new twelve due to scheduling, and we will have a.. STABLE AND SENSIBLE NINE TEAM CONFERENCE WITH A DEFINED FOOTPRINT? WHAT!? Boise and BYU are obvious choices even with the academic intensity of the PAC-Ten, especially when there are no more AAU schools left for the picking.

Southern Ivy Association:

SIA North-
North Carolina
Duke
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech
Vanderbilt
Virginia

SIA South-
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
Miami (Florida)
Conneticut
Maryland

Now this is what actually started all the marbles. First, it was rumored that Florida State would leave the ACC, causing a hostile NERD TAKEOVER from the powers at be in Chapel Hill. Also, by ditching Florida State and Virginia Tech, the conference maintains a link in Florida (Miami) all the while adding THREE AAU schools and a basketball powerhouse, allowing them to have academic bragging rights over everybody but the Big Fourteen. Also, they become the dominant conference all along the east coast except Florida and have a balanced lead.

Oh, and the promise of an easier schedule combined with the fraternity of academic colleagues will trump cash money for Vanderbilt.

Why ditch Boston College in the process though? Well.. The school is tiny, they travel like crap (as seen in their record-low ACC championship draws) and they aren't particularly good at... anything.

The Big East Conference:

Louisville/Cincinatti
West Virginia/Temple
North Carolina State/Clemson
Boston College/SUNY-Buffalo
South Florida/Georgetown#
Saint John's (NY)#

Here, we have the good ol' suspension of NCAA conference guidelines at work. First, SUNY-Buffalo brings a good academic institution and a replacement for lost New York exposure. UMASS is still better IMHO, but Boston College brings that market anyway. Temple is pulling out the stops on its football program and bring a solid market. The Big East will temper its anger when it happens into NC State, Boston College and Clemson, making it a very solid football conference.

Saint John's is the third best Private in the Big East, and allows a direct link to the NY market. Georgetown provides DC and very good basketball. With Temple on board, the need for Villanova fades.


The Big Nine:

Kansas/Kansas State
Texas Christian/Baylor
Colorado State/Oklahoma State
Texas Tech/New Mexico
Memphis


The last of our BCS brethren is the leftover Big Twelve schools. This is a very solid conference on the level of ye old C-USA. Colorado State brings Denver to the table, New Mexico is a solid school and Memphis brings Fed Ex, a bowl and solid hoops. TCU provides a slice of Dallas.

Notice Iowa State is missing. They stretch the conference badly and also happen to bring very little market wise. So they are doomed to a future MAC.


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