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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:23 pm 
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BCS wants to stop all this expansion talk and tells the conferences that they will only accept 12 team conferences for BCS bowl games

ACC, Big Ten, Pac and SEC are happy

Big East needs 4 teams and Big XII needs 2

BYU and Notre Dame need a conference

Texas wants a conference to match the SEC and Big Ten

So the old Big XII South ask BYU, Notre Dame, Hawaii, Army, Navy and Air Force to form their north division

This leaves the Big East as follows

West: Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Mizzou, Cincinnati, Louisville
East: Syracuse, Uconn, Rutgers, USF, West Virginia, Pittsburgh


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:21 pm 
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Here's another one to think about:

The "It Makes Too Much Sense To Happen In the Region" scenario:

Feel free to include some other examples with these conferences.

But you have in the region:
Big South
SoCon
CAA

Figure there have to be some combos that would work to:
* Put football schools in all-sports conferences
* Put larger schools with each other
* Put private schools with each other
* Tighten conference footprints


To make things easier, lets send Drexel, Hofstra, and NU to the AEast so they are out of the picture. Figure the A-Sun could house some schools is need be too.


Any takers?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:26 pm 
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Looking at the US Census regions as borders for conferences

First up is the North East Region which is made up of New England (2 FBS) and Middle Atlantic (7 FBS)

So North East Conference would be BC, UConn, SU, Buffalo, Army, Rutgers, Pitt, Penn St & Temple
plus Villanova if they upgrade.

Next is the South Region which is split like this
South Atlantic with 16 BCS & 6 non-BCS
East South Central with 8 BCS & 6 non-BCS
West South Central with 8 BCS & 12 non-BCS

So we get 2 BCS conferences
South Atlantic North: WV, MD, VA, VA Tech, UNC, NCSU, WF, Duke
South Atlantic South: SC, Clemson, GA, GA Tech, UF, FSU, Miami, USF

South Central East: KY, Louisville, TN, Vandy, Ole Miss, MSU, Bama, Auburn
South Central West: UT, TAMU, TTU, BU, OU, OSU, ARK, LSU

non-BCS conferences would be
Southern East: Marshall, Navy, ECU, FAU, FIU, UCF
Southern West: WKU, MTSU, Memphis, Troy, UAB, So Miss

Central East: Tulsa, Ark St, ULL, ULM, LA Tech, Tulane
Central West: UNT, SMU, TCU, Houston, Rice, UTEP

In the West we have 12 BCS (PAC) & 11 non-BCS (sorry BYU)

Pac North: WA, WSU, OR, OSU, Stanford, Cal
Pac South: USC, UCLA, AZ, ASU, CU, UU

West Desert: SDSU, SJSU, Fresno St, Hawaii, NV, UNLV, NM, NMSU
West Mountain: Idaho, Boise St, CSU, AF, USU, BYU, WY (and we might as well add Montana)

Midwest has 17 BCS and 11 non-BCS so Cincy drop down

Midwest west: Nebraska, Iowa, ISU, Mizzou, KU, KSU, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Midwest east: Illi, N'western, Indiana, ND, Purdue, UM, MSU, OSU

Middywest west: NIU, Ball St, EMU, WMU, CMU, Toledo
Middywest east: Cincy, Miami, Bowling Green, Ohio, Akron, Kent St


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:03 pm 
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With Oregon in the top 3, here's a new concept:

So one of the holdups with Texas et all with the Pac-10 was the travel factor to the northwest. Well, what if 15 years passed, landscape changed and eventually there were too good an offer on the table for CA and TX to join forces (USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, AZ, ASU, UNLV, Tex, A&M, TT, Ok, OSU).

So how about the long overdue NWC: North West Conference?

UW
WSU
Oregon
OSU
Utah
BYU
Colorado
Air Force
Boise St.
Idaho
Montana

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:07 am 
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I forget who said it, but someone once said they should just put Boise and TCU in the Big East and call it a day. I thought I would have some fun with that.

Let's assume that Villanova does in fact upgrade. And, just for kicks, let's upgrade Georgetown too.

NORTH -- Boise, Louisville, Cincinnati, Syracuse, Rutgers, UConn
SOUTH -- TCU, South Florida, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Georgetown, Villanova

And of course we'll have your average 5-game division round-robin. Now here's the kicker. Somehow only the 10 all-sports members manage to rotate all of their cross-division opponents. But let's have some fun with the two associate members' cross-division games.

Let's say in Year 1 -- TCU plays at Louisville, vs Cincinnati, at Syracuse
Year 2 -- vs Rutgers, at UConn, vs Louisville
Year 3 -- at Cincinnati, vs Syracuse, at Rutgers
Year 4 -- vs UConn, at Louisville, vs Cincinnati
Year 5 -- at Syracuse, vs Rutgers, at UConn

I know what you're thinking. This means that TCU will never meet Boise. That's cool. They'll meet each other in the conference championship anyway! lol


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:07 am 
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New I-A ("FBS") conference I'd like to see in 5-10 years:

Temple/Delaware (40 miles apart)
Marshall/Ohio U (80 miles)
Old Dominion/East Carolina (130 miles)
Appalachian State/Charlotte (100 miles)
Georgia State/Georgia Southern (210 miles)
Florida Atlantic/Florida International (45 miles)

Large markets include:

Philadelphia
Norfolk
Charlotte
Atlanta
Miami

East Carolina and Appalachian State are in small markets but have a strong football following.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:19 am 
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I was thinking about finding a conference home for the football teams of Navy and Army. I think the Big East is the best location, even though Army has spent sometime in Conference-USA. Part of a problem with a conference is that both service academies want a national schedule. So I decided to expand the Big East to 12 members without rocking the Providence office. Yes it can be done if Notre Dame joins. Added to the Big East would be Notre Dame football, Villanova FBS football, Army for football only and Navy for football only (both are quite okay in the Patriot League for other sports).

Notre Dame, Army and Navy would be placed in one division with three other schools. You can pick whichever three you want. Under NCAA rules, you have to play all the teams in your division inside a conference but it never says anything about how often you have to play the schools in the other division. So unlike the other conferences, decide the division champ based purely on divisional play. This way Army, Navy and Notre Dame would only be required to play five conference games each year and they'd have seven available dates to play whoever they want. Two of the teams they want to play would already be played because they are in the same division as them (the reason why they are all in the same division). So basically they get nine dates to play traditional rivals and only three are locked into something they may not want. And the right divisional rivals can even solve that problem with schools like Pittsburgh and Syracuse in the division.

From a financial standpoint this conference isn't very viable compared to the Big Ten or SEC or even possibly what they are putting together right now but it would be on firmer ground than the current Big East. It really is a dream because the only way you could get all three of those schools is if they would all move at the same time. None of them would want to be a part of this without the other two.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:32 am 
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hickory_cornhusker wrote:
I was thinking about finding a conference home for the football teams of Navy and Army. I think the Big East is the best location, even though Army has spent sometime in Conference-USA. Part of a problem with a conference is that both service academies want a national schedule. So I decided to expand the Big East to 12 members without rocking the Providence office. Yes it can be done if Notre Dame joins. Added to the Big East would be Notre Dame football, Villanova FBS football, Army for football only and Navy for football only (both are quite okay in the Patriot League for other sports).

Notre Dame, Army and Navy would be placed in one division with three other schools. You can pick whichever three you want. Under NCAA rules, you have to play all the teams in your division inside a conference but it never says anything about how often you have to play the schools in the other division. So unlike the other conferences, decide the division champ based purely on divisional play. This way Army, Navy and Notre Dame would only be required to play five conference games each year and they'd have seven available dates to play whoever they want. Two of the teams they want to play would already be played because they are in the same division as them (the reason why they are all in the same division). So basically they get nine dates to play traditional rivals and only three are locked into something they may not want. And the right divisional rivals can even solve that problem with schools like Pittsburgh and Syracuse in the division.

From a financial standpoint this conference isn't very viable compared to the Big Ten or SEC or even possibly what they are putting together right now but it would be on firmer ground than the current Big East. It really is a dream because the only way you could get all three of those schools is if they would all move at the same time. None of them would want to be a part of this without the other two.


Yes, I've always wanted to see Army and Navy in the Big East. Problem is they both passed on even the joint membership where each school would only have to play 4 games.

I wonder if they'd revisit it if the Big East expands to 10?

While they wouldn't be able to play in championship game, I'm sure there would be a caveat that if Army or Navy were the highest ranked BCS school in the Big East (even with 4 game schedule) that they'd get the BCS bid.

Uconn, syracuse, Army, Rutgers, Temple, Pitt
WVU, Cincy, Louisville, USF, UCF, Navy

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:07 am 
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With TCU now in BE, Villanova agrees to upgrade

BE now adds Temple (to rap up Philly) and UCF

The BXII and Notre Dame decide the time is right so both UND and BYU join

Hawaii goes Indy as does Air Force (to fall in line with Army/Navy)

CUSA takes LA Tech to get back to 12

MWC now at 8 takes SJSU, Idaho, USU and NMSU

Sunbelt at 10 with South Alabama takes UTSA and Texas State

Everyone at 12 with 4 Indys


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I would have a C-USA revision with the east having members such as Temple, Army, Navy, ECU, Marshall and Ohio U. The west would have UAB, USM, Tulane, AF, Rice, and SMU.
WKU goes to the MAC.
UTEP, NMSU, and La Tech to Sunbelt.
UCF, Houston, Memphis go to the BE (no 'Nova upgrade).
ND & BYU to B12.
MWC: (east) Wyoming, Idaho, CSU, UNM, USU, and Boise State; (west) Hawaii, SDSU, UN, UNLV, Fresno St., and SJSU.
B10, SEC, ACC, PAC12 remain the same.
Without upgrades.
10 conferences; each at 12.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:33 pm 
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I would have a C-USA revision with the east having members such as Temple, Army, Navy, ECU, Marshall and Ohio U. The west would have UAB, USM, Tulane, AF, Rice, and SMU.
WKU goes to the MAC.
UTEP, NMSU, and La Tech to Sunbelt.
UCF, Houston, Memphis go to the BE (no 'Nova upgrade).
ND & BYU to B12.
MWC: (east) Wyoming, Idaho, CSU, UNM, USU, and Boise State; (west) Hawaii, SDSU, UN, UNLV, Fresno St., and SJSU.
B10, SEC, ACC, PAC12 remain the same.
Without upgrades.
10 conferences; each at 12.



You bring up an interesting point about CUSA. There were the Temple rumors a few months ago as a potential replacement school. It's a shame though because the conference could likely soon lose UCF to the Big East, leaving ECU and Marshall as the only real eastern schools. If UTEP bolts to the MWC, they could add Temple, but it's still a Texascentric conference.

You have to think a bold move by CUSA would be to make a play in the Big East's backyard.

If CUSA lost UTEP and UCF, they could replace them and bring in 2 more to get to 14. If all 4 were from the east (Temple, UMass, Buffalo, Ohio, App St, JMU, Delaware pool), you could have (2) seven team divisions with more of a regional feel. New TV markets included for the weak-ass CUSA TV deal:

CUSA-14
East: UMass, Temple, JMU, ECU, App St., Marshall, Memphis
West: UAB, USM, Tulane, Tulsa, Rice, SMU, Houston

Or at 12:
CUSA
East: UMass, Temple, ECU, Marshall, Memphis, UAB
West: USM, Tulane, Tulsa, Rice, SMU, Houston

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:19 pm 
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My Dream Conferences

ACC
North-Boston College, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Maryland, SYRACUSE, PITT, UCONN, WEST VIRGINIA
South-North Carolina, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami

BIG 10
East-Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Purdue, NOTRE DAME, RUTGERS
West-Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Northwestern, Indiana, NEBRASKA

SEC
East-Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
West-Alabama, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, TEXAS A&M, MISSOURI

PAC WEST
West-Southern Cal, Stanford, UCLA, Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
East-Arizona State, Arizona, UTAH, COLORADO, TEXAS, OKLAHOMA, OKLAHOMA STATE, TEXAS TECH

BIG (EAST) XVI
East-Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida, CENTRAL FLORIDA, EAST CAROLINA, MEMPHIS, UAB, SOUTHERN MISS
West-Kansas, Baylor, Kansas State, Iowa State, Texas Christian, HOUSTON, TULSA, TULANE

MOUNTAIN WEST
East-New Mexico, New Mexico State, Air Force, Colorado State, UTEP, RICE, SMU, LOUISIANA TECH,
West-San Diego State, Nevada-Las Vegas, Wyoming, BYU, BOISE STATE, FRESNO STATE, NEVADA, UTAH STATE

Marshall, Navy, Army, San Jose State and Idaho become independents or join smaller conferences (MAC, Sun Belt, etc.)


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I forgot Hawaii in my dream Mountain West, it should read:

MOUNTAIN WEST
East-New Mexico, New Mexico State, Air Force, Colorado State, Wyoming, UTEP, RICE, SMU,
West-San Diego State, Nevada-Las Vegas, BYU, BOISE STATE, FRESNO STATE, NEVADA, HAWAII, UTAH STATE

AND Louisiana Tech goes to the Sun Belt.


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Mountain EAST Conference:

Clemson
Georgia
Kentucky
Marshall
Ohio
Ohio State
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Tennessee
West Virginia


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Pac-14:
North - Stanford, California, Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Colorado
South - UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Brigham Young, New Mexico

Mountain West:
Pacific Hawaii, San Diego State, San Jose State, Fresno State, Idaho, Nevada, Cal Poly SLO
Mountain - New Mexico State, Colorado State, Utah State, SMU, Wyoming, Tulsa, UNLV

Big 14:
North - Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Air Force, Boise State, Memphis
South - Texas, UTEP, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Rice

SEC:
West - Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State
East - West Virginia, Kentucky, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Metro (former Big East):
Blue - South Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, UAB, Army, TCU, Massachusetts
Red - Central Florida, Louisville, Southern Miss, Rutgers, Navy, Houston, Villanova

Sun Belt
West - UTSA, Texas State, North Texas, Arkansas State, Louisiana, Louisiana-Monroe, Louisiana Tech
East - South Alabama, Troy, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, Tulane

Mid-American
East - Marshall, Temple, Buffalo, Ohio, Kent, Akron, Miami-OH
West - Toledo, Bowling Green, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Ball State, Northern Illinois

Big Ten (14):
X - Syracuse, Illinois, Indiana, Penn State, Ohio State, Purdue, Wisconsin
O - Notre Dame, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern

Atlantic Coast
Atlantic - Connecticut, Boston College, Clemson, Florida State, Maryland, North Carolina State, Wake Forest
Coastal - Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke


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