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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2003 10:10 am 
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Here is a nice solution: 5 BCS bowls (Orange, Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, Cotton). 7 BCS(14 member)conferences and 3 at large berths.

Pac 14 North

Washington State
Washington
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
California
Fresno St

PAC 14 South

UCLA
USC
Arizona State
Arizona
Hawaii
San Diego State
Nevada

The 14 East

Michigan
Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan State
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Indiana

The 14 West

Illinois
Northwestern
Iowa
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Purdue
Norte Dame


SEC West

Arkansas
Alabama
Auburn
Mississippi
Mississippi State
LSU
Louisiana Tech

SEC East

Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Florida
Tennessee
South Carolina
Georgia
Memphis

ACC North

Maryland
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Boston College
Connecticut
Syracuse
North Carolina State

ACC South

Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
North Carolina
Miami

BIG 14 North

Nebraska
Colorado State
Colorado
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Missouri


BIG 14 South

Texas
Texas A&M
Texas TECH
Baylor
Texas Christian
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State


Continental America North

Rutgers
Temple
Army
Cincinnati
Louisville
Marshall
Navy

Continental America South

South Florida
Southern Mississippi
Tulane
UAB
East Carolina
Houston
Central Florida


MWC North

Boise State
Air Force
BYU
UNLV
Utah
Wyoming
Idaho

MWC South

New Mexico State
Rice
SMU
Tulsa
UTEP
Utah State
New Mexico

Sun Belt
Arkansas State
La Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
Middle Tenn. St.
North Texas
Troy State
San Jose State
Florida International

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:19 pm 
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Here's my dream conference (although it might be a nighmere to others):

B I G T E N

Let Penn State out and have it try to resurrect the Big East. With PSU as a member, the schools considering the ACC stay put.

Make the Big Ten a truly MIDWESTERN conference again. Try to get Notre Dame on board (it's in ND's best interest....it will eventually need a conference affiliation, IMHO, and the Big Ten is the best fit accademically, atheltically, and geographically. ND already plays a number of Big Ten schools)

The other is Mission Impossible. Bring back a former member that doesn't even play major college football or basketball anymore, but is still linked with the conference through its academic arm. Namely: the University of Chicago.

So make it:

Chicago
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Purdue
Wisconsin

It's a pipe dream, but I'd love to see it happen.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2003 7:40 pm 
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How about the Pac 10 drops the Arizona schools and adds UNLV, UTEP, BYU and TCU. Then they can have the fog division-Washington, Wash. St., Oregon, Oregon St., Stanford and Cal-and the all initials division-USC, UCLA, UNLV,UTEP, BYU and TCU.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2003 12:55 pm 
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From the land of whimsy...

Conditions:
- 16 member conferences, w/4 4-school divisions
- each conf. features semi-finals and finals
- I don't know all the details about "conference X would never take school Y," etc. This is merely by geography and relative knowledge from some bloke in ATL.
- With 7 conferences, I'd leave it at four BCS bowls; Take the playoff champions (There's your playoffs!) and then the best runner-up. Less controversy, more financial stability for budgeting as the extra BCS spot can even be rationed among the conferences to end everyone's griping. Just focus on the football.

ACC + Miami, BC, Cuse, UConn, Pitt, Rutgers, and VT

Big 10 + Notre Dame, Louisville, Cincinatti, Missouri and Iowa State

SEC + Memphis, Wet Virginia, UCF, East Carolina

Big 12 - Missouri, Iowa State, + CSU, Air Force, Tulsa, So. Miss, Houston, Tulane

Pac 10 + BYU, Utah, Hawaii, San Jose St., Fresno St., Nevada

Mac + MTSU, UAB

Army and Navy go independent
Temple drops to 1-AA

Leftover Conference = survivors from the following
Boise State
UTEP
Rice
SMU
La. Tech
TCU
UNLV
New Mexico
San Diego St.
Wyoming
New Mexico State
Arkansas State
Troy State
Idaho
Utah State
North Texas
La. Lafayette
La. Monroe


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 11:52 am 
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College Football Revision
Enitire plan in place by 2006

SEC stays the same
Big 12 stays the same
Big 10- adds Notre Dame (11+1)
ACC- adds Miami, Virginia Tech, South Florida (9+3)
MAC- loses Marshall and C. Florida (14-2)
Big East- loses Virginia Tech and Miami
adds Marshall, Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis, East Carolina (9-2 + 5)
Pac 10 adds Hawaii and Fresno St (10+2)
C-USA loses South Florida, Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis, East Carolina
adds N. Texas, MTSU, Navy, SMU, Rice, Tulsa, Troy St.,C. Florida, Arkansas St., Louisiana Tech (11-5 + 10)
Sun Belt disolves as it loses N. Texas, MTSU, New Mexico St, Arkansas St., Utah St.
WAC losesnHawaii and Fresno St., Louisiana Tech, Rice, SMU, Tulsa (10-6)
MWC loses none (8)
WAC and MWC remerge (4+8) and adds Utah St. and New Mexico St. (12+2)
UL Lafayette, Idaho, and UL-Monroe drop D-1A membership.

6 conferences affected.
2 conferences merge.
1 disbands
3 teams drop D-1A football.

a total of 21 schools change conferences. (18%)

SEC
West
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
LSU
Miss. State
Ole Miss

East
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennesssee
Vanderbilt


Big 12
North
Colorado
Iowa St.
Kansas
Kansas St.
Missouri
Nebraska

South
Baylor
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

Big 10
West
Iowa
Michigan
Minnesota
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Wisconsin

East
Illinois
Indiana
Michigan St.
Ohio St.
Penn St.
Purdue

ACC
North
Duke
Maryland
North Carolina
N.C. State
Virginia
Virginia Tech

South
Clemson
Florida St.
Georgia Tech
Miami
South Florida
Wake Forest

MAC
West
Ball St.
Bowling Green
C. Michigan
E. Michigan
N. Illinois
W. Michigan

East
Akron
Buffalo
Kent St.
Miami
Ohio
Toledo

Big East
North
Boston College
Connecticut
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Syracuse
Temple

South
Cincinnati
East Carolina
Louisville
Marshall
Memphis
West Virginia


Pac 10
North
California
Oregon
Oregon St.
Stanford
Washington
Washington St.

South
Arizona
Arizona St.
Fresno St.
Hawaii
UCLA
USC

C-USA
West
Houston
Louisiana Tech
North Texas
Rice
SMU
TCU
Tulane
Tulsa

East
Arkansas St.
Army
C. Florida
MTSU
Navy
Southern Miss
Troy St.
UAB

WMC (West Mountain Conference)
West
Boise St.
BYU
Nevada
San Diego St.
San Jose St.
UNLV
Utah

East
Air Force
Colorado St.
New Mexico
New Mexico St.
Utah St.
UTEP
Wyoming

Regular Season

11 game schedule
no extra games like Preseason Classics or Hawaii

Conference Championship Week
December 2-6 (using 2003 as example and last year's teams)

Tuesday 12/2- MAC N. Illinois vs Toledo
Wenesday 12/3- C-USA TCU vs. Tulane
Thursday 12/4- Big East Pittsburgh vs. Marshall, Pac 10 Washington St. vs USC
Friday 12/5- WMC Boise St. vs Colorado St.
Saturday 12/6- Big 10 Iowa vs Ohio St., Big 12 Colorado vs Oklahoma , ACC Miami vs Maryland , SEC Arkansas vs Georgia

Sites:
MAC- New Orleans
C-USA- New Orleans
Big East- Philadelphia
Pac 10- San Diego
WMC- San Francisco
Big 10- Indianapolis
Big 12- Houston
ACC- Tampa
SEC- Atlanta

Playoffs
December 13-January 3

The BCS standings will be used to determine seedings for the 9 Conference Champions and the 1 at-large bid. The at-large bid will be awarded to the highest ranked team but must be a winner of a division. The at-large bid is automatically the #10 seed.

Sites are at the listed bowl sites. The 4 current BCS bowls rotate.


Sat 12/13
Top 10
Game 1- #8 Pitt vs #10 Toledo Sun Bowl
Game 2- #7 Boise St. vs #9 TCU Outback Bowl

Sat 12/20
Elite 8
Game 3-#1 Miami vs Game 1 winner Holiday Bowl
Game 4-#2 Ohio St. vs Game 2 winner Citrus Bowl
Game 5-#4 USC vs #5 Iowa Fiesta Bowl
Game 6-#3 Georgia vs #6 Oklahoma Cotton Bowl

Sat 12/27
Final 4
Game 7- Game 3 winner vs Game 5 winner Rose Bowl
Game 8-Game 4 winner vs Game 6 winner Orange Bowl

Sat 1/3
National Championship
Game 9- Game 7 winner vs Game 8 winner

Bowls will still exist for teams not in the playoffs and must have a record of 6-5 or better. A bowl game can not be played during a playoff game. Bowl season starts the week after the Playoff Top 10 round is played.

For the critics of playing to many games.
58 teams will just play 11 games (50.8%)
38 teams will make a bowl to play 12 games (33.3%)
10 teams will play 13 games (Conf title game and bowl or lose in playoff round one ) (8.7%)
2 teams in championship game will play maximum 16 games (1.75%)

There would be 8 less teams seeing post season. However, the bowls get better teams to choose from.

The regular season in itself would be a playoff.
CAn you imagine the hype and excitement of Conference Championship week?
By setting it up this way would fans not all the sudden care about the C-USA, WMC, MAC division races and title games? :o

At the end of the playoff the teams would get a payout based on how far they advanced and the bowls still make a payout.

The season isn't extended any longer.

Rivalries are kept in place and new rivalries begin. The SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10, MAC stay relatively the same.
The Big East core is still in place while Marshall will be a great fit. Louisville, Cincinnati, and Memphis keep their rivalries and begin new ones with the Northeast.
The WAC-MWC merger keeps many teams familar with each other together.
C-USA is in good shape as the West division is almost a new Southwest Conference and the other East schools have teams that are familar with.

The regular season as more meaning as it is really a playoff in it self! It will go from 114 to 18 to 10 to 1.

Let me know your thoughts!







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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 6:14 am 
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I wanted to take my stab at doing this. Let me know how I did.

ACC: add East Carolina
B10: add Notre Dame
B12: no change
SEC: no change
PAC: add Hawaii and Utah

BE: Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers, BC, Temple, Army,
Louisville, Cincy, Pitt, WVU, Marshall, Navy

CUSA: SMU, UTEP, LA Tech, Rice, Houston, Tulsa,
Memphis, UAB, Tulane, Southern Miss, USF,UCF

MWC: Boise, Fresno, San Jose, Nevada, Col St, New Mexico, Wyoming, BYU, UNLV, SD St, Air Force, TCU

8 conference champs play it out in the big four bowls, semis a week later and finals on Super Bowl eve.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 7:09 am 
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wanted to take my stab at doing this. Let me know how I did.

ACC: add East Carolina
B10: add Notre Dame
B12: no change
SEC: no change
PAC: add Hawaii and Utah

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PAC: add Hawaii and Utah

Who's paying for all those flights to Honolulu???


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 7:50 am 
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PennstateDanny,
Not bad for a 1st try! :) I would swap Marshall for ECU. The ACC already has 4 NC schools and they would not like the competition. WV has the same worries about Marshall. (Losing some recruiting advantage.) Since the BE is mad at the ACC over Miami (FL), let them take ECU and hope it hurts the ACC's recruiting, and to grab a part of the NC market. Then the ACC can return the favor by inviting Marshall.

Utah has all of BYU's disadvantages without it's name recognition or FB power. The MWC without BYU is not much better than the MAC. If the PAC 10 took BYU and CO St, the MWC's champ could be replaced by an at large team.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2003 8:12 am 
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I was going to go for the quick fix and put Col St and BYU in the PAC 10 (12) but I wanted to try to have 8 competitive conferences. If Col St or BYU won the Mountain West, they would be "playoff worthy". In dreamland, I don't care which 2 go to the PAC but I would still keep the Mountain West.

I realize that the CUSA is a bit weak, but I guarantee one or two programs would become strong if the promise of playoff money was at hand. I am thinking of USF and UCF in particular.

I would rather have done 12 conferences of 8 (with a 16 team playoff with 4 wild cards) but I realize the trend is toward the 12 team conferences. With this system, you have to win your conference to make the playoffs.

As far as dream conferences go, you may be right about ECU in the BE and Marshall in the ACC, but my gut feeling is that in reality, the BE wants to shore up their football league and will add Marshall to do so. I do not think that "my" big east is that far off from reality.

The only schools that I didn't include in my plan were the 8 Sun Belt teams, the 12 MAC teams (aside from UCF and Marshall) and Troy State. Going 96 for 117 isn't that bad for a rookie, is it?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2003 6:46 pm 
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And the regionally challenged conference (tongue-in-cheek)

Western Mchigan
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
East Carolina
Georgia Southern
Southern Illinois
Central Florida
South Florida
University of South Alabama
North Texas State
University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople

(am I missing anyone? They are looking for a 12th member so they can separate into two divisions, the Mid-Northwest and Central-Southeast--this might be worth a separate thread!)

(My apologies to any alumni--I know some of these are wonderful institutions, and I would favor upgrading all of their regionally-challenged names!)


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 1:38 pm 
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Since my new dreams include Kentucky moving to the ACC...

ACC + UK
"BE" + Temple, Louisville, Cincinatti, Marshall, Army & Navy for fb
Big 10 + ND
SEC - UK and Vandy, + Memphis and ECU
PAC 10 = no change
MWC + Fresno St., SJSU, Hawaii, Boise St.

CUSA now includes So. Miss, TCU, Houston, Tulane, SMU, Rice, USF, UCF, UAB, MTSU, La Tech and Vanderbilt!!

Premises:
- Former BE fb schools act first, prompting vast CUSA action.
- WAC gets picked over by more TV friendly MWC and agressive CUSA
- Vandy abandons SEC $, and woes, for association with Tulane, Rice, TCU and SMU.
- SEC grows stronger(?) in football by adding Memphis and ECU to replace Vandy and UK. ECU move = stab at ACC for adding UK.

Now, CUSA outdueling the WAC may be just an east-coast bias here, but I just saw a large number of schools around the southeast/Texas to make this seem the logical solution. A feature made more logical if Memphis and ECU are still involved.

Hey, it's just a dream...


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 12:47 pm 
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A plan to get the 8 major football conferences up to 12 schools apiece, the basketball schools coherent, and the minors out of the way

Objectives: Maintain rivalries, maintain geographical contiguity and coherence, keep abilities within conferences similar.


NEW ACC

Clemson ACC
Duke ACC
Florida State ACC
Georgia Tech ACC
Maryland ACC
Miami ACC
NC State ACC
North Carolina ACC
Virginia ACC
Virginia Tech ACC
Wake Forest ACC
Temple

Temple gives the ACC contiguity, Philadelphia TV, and relatively Big East controversy-free admission

SEC
Alabama SEC
Arkansas SEC
Auburn SEC
Florida SEC
Georgia SEC
Kentucky SEC
LSU SEC
Mississippi SEC
Mississippi St. SEC
South Carolina SEC
Tennessee SEC
Vanderbilt SEC

No changes ...

NEW BIG 10
Illinois Big Ten
Indiana Big Ten
Iowa Big Ten
Michigan Big Ten
Michigan State Big Ten
Minnesota Big Ten
Northwestern Big Ten
Ohio State Big Ten
Penn State Big Ten
Purdue Big Ten
Wisconsin Big Ten
Notre Dame

ND is the obvious choice, if they were to join a conference, it should be the Big Ten, if the Big Ten could add anyone they wanted it would be ND.

BIG 12
Baylor Big XII
Colorado Big XII
Iowa State Big XII
Kansas Big XII
Kansas State Big XII
Missouri Big XII
Nebraska Big XII
Oklahoma Big XII
Oklahoma St. Big XII
Texas Big XII
Texas A&M Big XII
Texas Tech Big XII

- no change

NEW PAC 12
Arizona PAC 10
Arizona State PAC 10
California PAC 10
Oregon PAC 10
Oregon St PAC 10
Stanford PAC 10
UCLA PAC 10
USC PAC 10
Washington PAC 10
Washington St PAC 10
Hawaii WAC
BYU MWC

So why Hawaii and BYU. Hawaii is a state University, as respectable as many of the others, and every school would like a trip out there once year. BYU is the next best school out west, it is the ND for the Mormon set, and gives the next largest market. This depends on if the WAC and MWC are stable. I suspect they are not (see below)

NEW MOUNTAIN WEST
Air Force MWC
Nevada WAC
Colorado St MWC
New Mexico MWC
San Diego State MWC
UNLV MWC
Utah MWC
Wyoming MWC
Utah State Sunbelt
New Mexico State Sunbelt
Boise State WAC
Fresno State WAC

Pac 10/12 won't pick up these schools, they are academically too weak (except Air Force) and don't add much. This is the next best of the west (i.e. approximately teams 13 - 24) out of the western half of the country. Sunbelt obviously is unsustainable. MWC will need to pick up some teams, especially after it gets raided.

NEW "GREAT GULF" Conference

Southern Miss CUSA
TCU CUSA
Tulane CUSA
Houston CUSA
Louisiana Tech WAC
Rice WAC
SMU WAC
Tulsa WAC
UTEP WAC
Alabama- Birmingham CUSA
East Carolina CUSA
South Florida CUSA
Central Florida MAC/

This is the next best of the south (after the SEC and ACC), so about schools 25-36 that couldn't get into the others. It takes the remnants of the CUSA and WAC to create something geographically coherent

FOOTBALL BIG EAST
Boston College Big East
Connecticut Big East
Pittsburgh Big East
Rutgers Big East
Syracuse Big East
West Virginia Big East
Cincinnati CUSA
Louisville CUSA
Memphis CUSA
Marshall MAC
Army
Navy

The best football schools in the northeast quarter of the US

The Demoted:

Arkansas St Sunbelt
Florida Intl Sunbelt
La. – Lafayette Sunbelt
La. – Monroe Sunbelt
Middle Tennessee St. Sunbelt
North Texas Sunbelt
Denver Sunbelt

These schools have no business in Division IA, though maybe they could substitute for the bottom of the "Great Gulf"


So what is left is a couple of basketball (all-but DivI football) conferences. These only need 10 schools apiece:

The "BIG ATLANTIC CONFERENCE"
Georgetown Big East
Providence Big East
Seton Hall Big East
St. Johns Big East
Villanova Big East
Charlotte CUSA(BB)
DePaul CUSA(BB)
Marquette CUSA(BB)
St. Louis CUSA(BB)
Xavier Atlantic 10

Pull some pieces together to create a solid, largely though not entirely catholic bball conference in northeast

Atlantic 10

Dayton Atlantic 10
Duquesne Atlantic 10
Fordham Atlantic 10
George Washington Atlantic 10
LaSalle Atlantic 10
Richmond Atlantic 10
St. Bonaventure Atlantic 10
St. Josephs Atlantic 10
UMass Atlantic 10
URI Atlantic 10

The rest of the major bball schools in the northeast


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 2:16 pm 
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Without looking for old posts that may share the premise of ten-member fb leagues...

Static
Pac 10 = Looks smug thinking they had it right all along!
ND, Army, Navy = independent

"Losers"
SEC - So. Carolina and Arkansas (by virtue of last ones in)
Big 10 - PSU
Big 12 - Colorado, Baylor
MAC - UCF (stays @ 13 or weaker members die off)

Baby Steps
ACC + VT
BE - VT, Miami; + PSU, Louisville, Cincinatti
MWC + Colorado, Boise State

Shaken and Stirred I'll just post their line-ups
SEC II = UAB, USF, ECU, Miami, South Carolina, Memphis, So. Miss, Arkansas, Tulane, TCU

Gulf South = UCF, MTSU, Troy State, La. Tech, Houston, Tulsa, Rice, SMU, Baylor, Arkansas State

WAC = Fresno St, San Jose St, Hawaii, Nevada, UTEP, Idaho, New Mexico St., Utah State, North Texas, Any La. directional desperate enough to stay in 1-A.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 10:41 am 
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I'm so glad to have found this forum group. Many many well supported discussions.

Also, without going back through the previous posts...

http://espn.go.com/ncf/s/2003/0701/1575136.html

Not all Div 1A schools are created equal.
The link is just another dream realignment...

Have fun.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 11:12 am 
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Welcome Bucknuts. I'm still relatively new myself, but I appreciate the fact its a very civil forum with everyone showing great courtesy to one another, and many of the veterans have great insights....

The feature above was based on a truly entertaining and hillarious fuller version as follows:

http://espn.go.com/ncf/columns/forde_pat/1575186.html

I always meant to point out to others that Forde never tackled (pun intended) Notre Dame in this scenario, so I suppose ND will continue their hillarious independence [grin].


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