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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:37 pm 
Lashette good.Tigersnark bad bad.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:39 pm 
Terry Holland good.Tigersnark bad bad.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:11 pm 

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BE board thread regarding ECU AD remarks regarding BE realignment w/BE commentary at http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/bigeast/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=15509


Holland interview puts tings out about a year before things start heating up in realignment circles again. Probably this time next year after BB season before subject of a ninth is approached again. The BE will wait at least one more BB season while their BCS bid is protected. No reason to move on anything except to straighten out the scheduling problems. Nothing really out thereon that issue either now that the Rutgers, W.Vir., and Cuse issues are resolved. But as he said schools that are interested in moving up must always be prepared and must be making the right moves in the mean time to be ready for future movement.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:41 pm 
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Is before after the new BE tv contracts for bb and football.Call back when there is something besides cusa leftovers.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:43 pm 

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I personally think MAC rejects are better than CUSA leftovers. So Youngstown State, Kent State and Buffalo should be a lot better than any CUSA leftover.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:30 am 
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Call back when there is something besides cusa leftovers.


I personally think MAC rejects are better than CUSA leftovers. So Youngstown State, Kent State and Buffalo should be a lot better than any CUSA leftover.


The BE doesn't need the MAC rejects. IT would take schools like the University of Ohio, N.ILL, or Miami of Ohio first. I would look at Ohio U first personally but have not really researched much of the MAC because the BE wasn't really interested in that direction in the first expansion. If the FB side footprint is headed to the Ohio Valley with more southern teams then there are definite possibilities for expansion from the MAC. IF Temple continues to right the all sports ship they may be given some consideration too. Especially if the BE splits.

Temple has a new AD, a new FB coach who has coached in the ACC, and recently signed the Penn basketball coached to continue Chaney's success with the BB program. The president who tried to kill FB at Temple is also on his way out if he is not gone already. IF a split happens I would bring Temple back all sports if for nothing else, it would keep a strong Philly BB market. Temple is making the right moves right now under a new administrative group to correct all the things that were wrong. Don't look past them for readmittance to the split BE. If they don't make it back they will certainty be strong in the MAC in a few years especially if they make an all sports committment to the league.

Holland's interview indicates that at least a number football team is needed in the BE sooner rather than latter around 2010. The Conn FB coach wants a ninth team, the BB coach wants a split, the Pitt AD was quoted on the need for a 9th team, the assistant BE commish was quoted on the need for a FB 9th. Rutgers, W. Vir., and Cuse just went through a scheduling problem and see the need for a ninth. L'Ville took that position long before everyone else. FB scheduling is a major source of discontent for the FB schools in the BE with the BB schools ignoring the issue or derailing the issue for their own needs and desires.

The only prospects for FB only until the double secret sealed contracted split are the academies which don't want membership, Temple before they get too deep into the MAC contract, ECU which expresses the most interest, and a 1-AA move up by UMass. Villanova could put the whole issue to rest along with a BE split if they had the desire and finances too move their program up to 1A. Any 1-AA move up would be just as good as a MAC addition and the the other Cusa proposals (UCF and Memphis) won't bite until they get all sports invites. There are 5 FB seasons and 5 BB seasons for the BE to get it right and they currently have the the BCS bid in toe so even though coaches and AD are screaming, the Presidents are dragging with the current revenue that is coming in. If the 9th team isn't resolved in the next year or two or a split Federation FB/BB under the BIG East doesn't surface soon then I believe your future conferences are:

FB BB
Rutgers Nova 2-3 more Catholic Un.
Conn G'town or BB only schools.
Cuse St. Johns Xavier, Dayton, etc.
Pitt Seton Hall
W. Vir. Providence
Cinn DePaul
L'ville Marquette
USF
Umass or Temple - Northern Addition
Memphis or ECU or UCF - Southern Addition
ND - 3 game requirement - bowl tie ins with minor revenue sharing for everything but the BCS berth. ND will have to relinquish a small percentage of their minor shared bowl revenue as an appeasement to keeping their TV revenue. By 2020 they will be in the B-10 anyway.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:14 am 
BE board thread discussing ECU/BE w/BE commentary at http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/bigeast/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=15526


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:16 am 
Updated BE board thread regarding BE FB scheduling problem w/BE commentary at http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/bigeast/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=15495&start=50


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:17 am 
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I personally think MAC rejects are better than CUSA leftovers. So Youngstown State, Kent State and Buffalo should be a lot better than any CUSA leftover.


The BE doesn't need the MAC rejects. IT would take schools like the University of Ohio, N.ILL, or Miami of Ohio first. I would look at Ohio U first personally but have not really researched much of the MAC because the BE wasn't really interested in that direction in the first expansion. If the FB side footprint is headed to the Ohio Valley with more southern teams then there are definite possibilities for expansion from the MAC. IF Temple continues to right the all sports ship they may be given some consideration too. Especially if the BE splits.

Temple has a new AD, a new FB coach who has coached in the ACC, and recently signed the Penn basketball coached to continue Chaney's success with the BB program. The president who tried to kill FB at Temple is also on his way out if he is not gone already. IF a split happens I would bring Temple back all sports if for nothing else, it would keep a strong Philly BB market. Temple is making the right moves right now under a new administrative group to correct all the things that were wrong. Don't look past them for re admittance to the split BE. If they don't make it back they will certainty be strong in the MAC in a few years especially if they make an all sports commitment to the league.

Holland's interview indicates that at least a number football team is needed in the BE sooner rather than latter around 2010. The Conn FBI coach wants a ninth team, the BB coach wants a split, the Pitt AD was quoted on the need for a 9th team, the assistant BE commish was quoted on the need for a FB 9th. Rutgers, W. Vir., and Cuse just went through a scheduling problem and see the need for a ninth. L'Ville took that position long before everyone else. FB scheduling is a major source of discontent for the FB schools in the BE with the BB schools ignoring the issue or derailing the issue for their own needs and desires.

The only prospects for FB only until the double secret sealed contracted split are the academies which don't want membership, Temple before they get too deep into the MAC contract, ECU which expresses the most interest, and a 1-AA move up by UMass. Villanova could put the whole issue to rest along with a BE split if they had the desire and finances too move their program up to 1A. Any 1-AA move up would be just as good as a MAC addition and the the other Cusa proposals (UCF and Memphis) won't bite until they get all sports invites. There are 5 FB seasons and 5 BB seasons for the BE to get it right and they currently have the the BCS bid in toe so even though coaches and AD are screaming, the Presidents are dragging with the current revenue that is coming in. If the 9th team isn't resolved in the next year or two or a split Federation FB/BB under the BIG East doesn't surface soon then I believe your future conferences are:

FB BB
Rutgers Nova 2-3 more Catholic Un.
Conn G'town or BB only schools.
Cuse St. Johns Xavier, Dayton, etc.
Pitt Seton Hall
W. Vir. Providence
Cinn DePaul
L'ville Marquette
USF
Umass or Temple - Northern Addition
Memphis or ECU or UCF - Southern Addition
ND - 3 game requirement - bowl tie ins with minor revenue sharing for everything but the BCS berth. ND will have to relinquish a small percentage of their minor shared bowl revenue as an appeasement to keeping their TV revenue. By 2020 they will be in the B-10 anyway.


The teams didn't seperate in the first post so here they are again.

Football - Rutgers, Conn, Pitt, Cuse, WV, Cinn, L'ville, USF. ND partial. Either Temple or Umass as a Northern addition. And one of Memphis, ECU, or UCF for a Southern addition.

BB- Nova, St. Johns, S. Hall, Providence, G'town, DePaul, Marquette, 2-3 additional Catholic Un. or BB only schools from teams such as Xavier, Dayton, etc.

I guess this post could go on the WANNA BEE thread also. Something has to give in the BE. If they don't strengthen themselves in the next need for greed expansion of 14 team FB Superconferences the football side is gone. The SEC, ACC, and B-12 will lead that race to 14 and force the P-10 and the B10 to go to at least 12. The strengthened BCS will give 8 of 10 bids to each of the 5 anchor conferences by taking the BE bid and ND bid forcing them into either the B-10 or the ACC. The floating 2 bids will be for the other conferences as at large bids so there isn't government intervention or in case ND remains independent and sues with the mid major conferences. The 2 at large bids will be for the top ten teams which will almost guarantee that they go to the anchor teams any way.

At any rate ND, Cuse, Rutgers, Conn, Pitt, WV, and L'Ville are gobbled up by the ACC, SEC, B-12, and B-10. Cinn and USF return to smaller conferences, the PAC-10 cherry picks the western conferences, the BE BB teams go back to a BB conference only where they really belong because they were afraid of BE FB expansion in the first place. All this takes place because the 16 team BE super conference without a split proves that the need for greed is the way to go. At any rate most of the ex BE FB teams are better off as they are in real BCS conferences now with real income and have shed themselves of the selfish five who's main desire was to protect themselves. Unfortunately USF and Cinn get left behind because they aren't in strong enough markets or because they are in markets saturated with anchor conference teams. Cinn only hope would be a look from the B-12 for an Ohio market and their BB team. USF is just too small and ends up back in an adjusted Cusa which will be a good fit for them. Cinn could end up their too if the B-12 doesn't want them either.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:40 am 
Despite what Tigershark says,(BTW:what does he smoke?)still absolutely NO media reference whatsoever to Army/Navy geeting involved with BE bowl situation.The 2006 bowl lineup certification should be set within two weeks.
Oh Tigershark,where is the documentation?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:19 am 
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Despite what Tigershark says,(BTW:what does he smoke?)still absolutely NO media reference whatsoever to Army/Navy geeting involved with BE bowl situation.The 2006 bowl lineup certification should be set within two weeks.
Oh Tigershark,where is the documentation?
Yes if the media has not printed it cannot be happening.Just like George Bush and his wire tapping.Someday the BE will be tick free.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:09 pm 
BE board thread regarding BE expansion w/BE commentary at http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/bigeast/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=15499


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:12 pm 
Updated BE board threads regarding ECU/BE w/BE commentary at http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/bigeast/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=15526&start=50

and at http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/bigeast/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=15509


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:16 pm 
Tigershark2's affiliation plans are idea that can have many good directions.

When the Big East splits, Villanova and Georgetown would make excellent affiliates for Big South Conference football. Since they are associated with other conferences, being Big South affiliates would be ideal. Think a Georgetown--VMI or Gardner Webb game would be great. Villanova--Liberty would be awesome each year.


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