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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:35 pm 
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Burn it down certainly seems to be a preference of some.But most want to build it up.The best bb league in 1A. There is no big difference between 3 laegues at 12 (acc,b-12 and sec) and the bE at 16.Football will have 8 full members and 3affiliates for 3-4 games per year,some joint tv packages and non-bcs bowl packages.A larger football league will need to share bcs and tv money with extra Schools.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:44 pm 
Temple's mess had a lot to do with Temple itself. Being in the BE only for fb did not not help their situation, but the brunt of the problem was Temple's commitments and the decisions for which they had control. Chaney's public comments sounded like a fractured structure.

Only by the 2003 BE Minutes, viewing some postings, reading a few articles, clues are presented on the sentiments of some fellow BE schools as to the expulsion of Temple totally and matters related to why they were never included in bb.

I do not know the exact role the University of Pittsburgh and Villanova University played in the Temple disenfranchisement from the BE. However, Pennsylvania heavily subsidizes state-related and private higher education, and if these schools played an undue and negative role in the matter, am not aware of any legislative group inquiring about it. That does not mean Temple should not have been expelled, necessarily, and that in-state schools are obligated to support Temple. Temple had a long dismal record and little fan support for fb.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:02 pm 

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That's our Tigersharktwo! Lashette and all of us are so proud :'(......

Army and Navy going to the Big East as Associate members?
Notre Dame has scheduled a bunch of BE football opponents and will give them a million each?
The Toronto Bowl vs the MAC will give the Big East the top Bowl package and most tv money?
The 16 basketball are the top league?
To think the Big East would stoop so low to take teams from Conference USA? They would never, ever consider such!
Someone even thought "the Tiger" is M.T.?

Please tell me why ain't Penn State, Maryland, Ohio State, and Michigan leaving where they at joining the Big East? They join and could have playoff championship game. If not those, why not Duke and Florida? These schools are in east and midwest where Big East is and would want to be in the almightiest of almighty league. They could beg and beg Villanova, Georgetown, and Notre Dame to let them in.

Lash these would keep what is now perfect and make it more perfect.

The fabulous Lashette!




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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:49 pm 
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When the Big East split occurs its going to result in 3 leagues not 2.

1)Louiville, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, West Virgnia, Rutgers, UConn, Syracuse, South Florida, Notre Dame

2)Saint Louis, Marquette, DePaul, Dayton, Xavier, Georgetown, Villanova, Providence, St.Johns, Seton Hall

3)UMass, Temple, George Washington, Charlotte, Buffalo, Ohio, Akron, Toledo, Miamioh, Ball State, Western Michigan, Northern Ill.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:34 am 
BE has a good thing going right now. They maintained their BCS bid and don't get re-evaluated again until 2007 or 2008. The W. Vir. BCS win and #5 ranking along with L'ville strong showing will carry them to the potential 2010 split. The basketball program is very strong and having a good year too. They will probably stay status quo until at the proposed split.

Several of the proposed BE prospects are making good moves to line up their chances for a potential #9 spot for FB all sports in a split or if the BE stays together. U Mass a good NE prospect to replace BC is in the process of up grading their playing field with a state of the art artificial playing surface and permanent lighting at McGuirk Alumni Stadium. All they need is about 6500 seats in each end zone to start upgrading the capacity to 30,000 and an invite to the BE. They have a basketball program that can compete too.

ECU is scheduling BCS bowl level teams in W. Vir. (4 games between now and 2013), and Vir. Tech (9 games through 2016). They are also scheduling 6 games with N.C. State, 3 games with N.C. and 4 games with Vir. through 2016 leaving open the possibility of switching to the BE from CUSA with out incurring scheduling problems down the road. And UCF is building a new stadium with 45,000 capacity and a new basketball arena.

Though many don't like it the current league with ND in it (except for FB), along with 2 additional all sports school for FB, BB, and the Olympic sports would make one monster conference. The ND bowl alliance for major bowls other than the BCS could also continue. The BB portion could go to divisions when the current T.V. contract is up. The league should make ND split some of the bowl revenue if it is not a BCS spot. Let them keep their TV revenue and make them follow through with a minimum of 3 BE FB games a year.

The ten team FB all sports is then ready to split if the money angle doesn't work out and ND can go with the Catholic schools. The FB alliance with ND could continue if needed or wanted.

Nice to see that some of the BE schools are rumored to be thinking of stadium expansion. Rutgers definitely has the ability to go to 50,000 or 60,000 if they feel they could come up with the financing. If they can continue the improvement that they had on the field this year maybe they could increase attendance and fill those seats. They can definitely add seats in the west end zone and connect the upper decks on the north and south sides. There is also room to bring seats around to the score board in the east end zone. They would need a tunnel in that area for access to river road and you would not be able to see the cannon, knight, and colonials on the east hill if that connection is made.

Finally I don't think Navy and Army will join the BE. their BB teams will not be able to compete. They both currently are the cellar dwellers in the Patriot League where they don't even give out scholarships. In good years they can compete with the bottom half of the league but would struggle with at least the top 3 teams. Both schools are playing a national schedule. Both play at least one BE team and could expand to 3 or 4 to cut travel costs. Navy needs slots for ND, Army, and Air Force. They currently stretch their schedule over 2 ACC teams, 2 MAC teams, 2 CUSA teams, and at least one PAC 10 team. They have the same shot at the BCS as ND if they finish 6th or higher and can pull down a bowl with a 6&5 record. They have been very successful in recent years with this strategy and don't need the beatings from conference play to end up in the basement year after year like Baylor, Tulane, and Vanderbilt.

Army left the beatings of CUSA and is currently coping Navy's success theme. All they need now are some wins. They have the same BCS opportunity as Navy and have a contract with ESPN for a bowl slot if they have a winning season. Currently they schedule one BE team and need slots for Navy and Air Force. They may even get an occasional game with ND in the future and one is scheduled for next season. They also schedule nationally with 2 ACC teams, 2 Big 12 teams, and one game each against Sun Belt, MAC, and MWC opponents. They like to schedule mid conference Texas and southern schools like Navy.

Finally there is Temple. Well Temple is Temple and we will just have to see if they can compete in the MAC. They are starting all over in a new league with a new coach with BE and ACC experience, and have a relatively new AD that saved the program period. They have time to prove themselves and have a very long shot to return to the BE with their BB and all sports if there is a split and Nova goes with the BB group. Though the FB enthusiasm goes to Penn State and the Eagles in Phila. winning will put fans back in the stands.
In a split I don't think that the new Big East all sports would like to leave the Phila. BB prospects behind. BB and an improved Temple FB team with a decent fan base again would have a shot at re-entry to the new split BE.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:46 pm 
Villanova board FB thread at http://villanova.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=562&tid=62568581&sid=&style=2


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:31 pm 
The Big East will definitely split. The 8 football schools will start their own conference, with a new commissioner. They are looking for a ninth member to join them, but no one really knows who that will be. Going by what we do know, here's what I see:
Pittsburgh-WVU= travel partners; UConn-Rutgers-Syracuse=travel partners; Louisville-Cincy=travel partners; South Florida=no travel partner. This is why the football schools would like nine members. Though somewhat unwieldy, you can make Connecticut, Rutgers, and Syracuse all travel partners because all of them are pretty much in close proximity to each other. (Think Wisconsin, Iowa, and Minnesota) However, no matter how you slice it, South Florida has no one. And while Louisville and Cincy wouldn't mind having Memphis back as a conference partner, Memphis just makes for a very poor fit with South Florida. There are two schools that would be decent fits for South Florida right now: UCF, which is already in a "arms race" with South Florida right now, and East Carolina, who helped sponsor South Florida's admission to C-USA's football conference back when S. Florida was still an independent. The Big East didn't learn its lesson on travel partners the last NCAA realignment movement, so I expect the football schools will pay closer attention to it this time around. When you factor in the fact that the Big East will be eliminating partial qualifiers, that just makes UCF and ECU that much more attractive, since both don't go after too many partial qualifiers, if any, unlike Memphis. The wildcard in all of this is Villanova, which, from everything I've seen, seems to be weighing its options very carefully. If 'Nova does upgrade to I-A before the split, they will get a Big East football invite. It is guaranteed. After the split, the guarantee will be useless, and 'Nova's window of opportunity is closing very quickly. IMO, if 'Nova does join, look for them to be a tenth member in the new conference the Big East football schools will be creating, because South Florida will still need a travel partner even with 'Nova joining. A darkhorse in this entire scenario is Florida Atlantic, which could be a major player when the split happens. Notre Dame is a huge question mark.
(*=indicates a possible member)
Eastern Athletic Conference:
WVU, Louisville, UConn, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, South Florida, Cincinnati, *UCF/*ECU/*FAU/*ND(all-sports), *Villanova
Big East Conference
St. John's, Seton Hall, Georgetown, Providence, Marquette, Depaul,*Villanova/ *Holy Cross, *Xavier
C-USA will have to wait and see who Eastern Athletic Conference will take, if they take anyone at all. The best scenario C-USA can hope for is if the EAC decides to take UCF. C-USA can then swoop down and take either Florida Atlantic or Florida International which would replace UCF a lot better than the teams C-USA would have to replace an East Carolina or a Memphis with, though I can see Ohio University being a possible player in all of this if East Carolina is selected.
This means that the Sunbelt or the MAC could get realigned. I don't know who the MAC would take, if they even take anyone. The Sunbelt will probably try to replace FAU/FIU with another Florida program. Maybe Florida A&M will be ready this time around, or Bethune-Cookman will be an option.



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:22 pm 
The Big East has been very dependent on C- USA for their teams and wants lots of basketball. Let's integrate them and add a couple.

The Ole Big East Conference

1. Villanova
2. Georgetown
3. St. Johns
4. Depaul
5. Marquette
6. Seton Hall
7. Duquesne
8. St. Bonaventure
9. Georgetown
10. Xavier
11. Notre Dame
12. Catholic U.

Conference USA has four sectors - East, South, Central, and West. The 24 super conference will have lots and lots of basketball and football championship games additionally.

Conference USA - East

1. Syracuse
2. UCONN
3. Rutgers
4. Pittsburgh
5. Temple
6. West Virginia

Conference USA - South

1. ECU
2. William & Mary
3. GA Southern
4. UAB
5. USF
6. UCF

Conference USA - Central

1. Tulane
2. Louisville
3. Southern Mississippi
4. Memphis
5. Cincinatti
6. Marshall

Conference USA - West

1. Houston
2. Rice
3. Tulsa
4. SMU
5. UTEP
6. LA Tech


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:44 am 
BE board thread at http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/bigeast/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=12207


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:39 pm 
That Maize on those BE boards got it right. It was the bb schools that rejected Penn State (Penn State for Pete's sake!!!) and killed any chance of eastern football. Yet the bb controlled BE make themselves puppets to Notre Dame.

As the BE boards show, BE bb interests are spread out. They attack fb growth, justify an archaic conference structure, and deliver personal attacks on screen names. It could be connected to a planned designed by those profiting from bb only and Notre Dame.

Just as the Catholic Church related organizations are helping to break USA civil laws by encouraging and facilitating illegal immigration, don't think they don't have their hands into the pockets of sports.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:44 pm 
What are you? A religious bigot? Go away or come back and talk in a more honorable way.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:11 pm 
No just obey the laws and such profiting, political organizations hiding behind religion start getting properly taxed.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:15 pm 
Why yes, yes you are a religious bigot.











Western Catholic fans for East Coast Jesuit Universities


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:20 pm 
Repost of three interesting BE board threads at http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/bigeast/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=11735&start=350

at http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/bigeast/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=11773&start=200

and at http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/bigeast/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=12125


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:23 pm 
BE board thread at http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/bigeast/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=12222


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