This thread is to see which schools should be dropped back down to Division 1-AA, Division 2 or Division 3.

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I'll start it Drake should be Dropped to Division 3

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This thread is pretty much D.O.A. NCAA regulations stipulate that all Division I members must have all of their varsity teams in Division I-A, I-AA or I-AAA (no football). There was a big move of Division I schools that sponsored Division II/III football teams back in the mid to late 1990s. Schools such as Dayton, San Diego and Duqunese had to offer non-scholarship I-AA teams or drop them.

Well thats a stupid rule. There are schools that should be dropped.

Please help me out here so I can help participate in this thread. I think I read somewhere that if you play D-1 bb you must either not field a football team, or play D-1 (a or aa). Division II or III is not an option. I believe the Div. II and III schools didn't want any D-I bb tourney money funnelling into the football programs. Is this in fact the case? Thanks. :)

All is not lost. This thread can still be used for rumors of teams either not meeting the 15k attendance rule, or dropping FB due to the high cost. The other threads that have tried this have been beaten down by the barrage of post stating that politics will be used to kill or gut the 15k rule etc. For those defending their school, please, only defend your school here. Don't go into how politics will let all the 1AA should be's off the hook.

P.S. I heard this week that 20 schools did not meet the 15k attendance rule last year. Other post on this board made a couple of schools look like they might drop to 1AA or worse because of finances.

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Well what I was suggesting was teams like Drake, Dayton and others like longwood university should be dropped back down. Example Mississippi College was a powerful division 2 school then they dropped back to Division 3 in the late 90's.

So basically the Pioneer Football Conference gets to stay Division 1-AA, but with no scholarships. Schools like Davidson and Drake can field a D-III team and stay D-1. They have found a way to downgrade and maintain status.

After checking the 2003 attendance averages on the Attendance Averages thread (on the General Forum on this board - thanks GunnerFan), I see that only 11 teams did not make the 15k attendance rule. All the teams are in either the MAC (6) or Sunbelt (5). If you add the number of teams in those two conferances that did average 15K, you get 12. That is an interesting (and popular) number on some of this boards threads. ;) WY in the MWC was close, as was SJS and LT in the WAC.

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San Jose State is only over 15K because of a "reported" sellout against Grambling. I saw too many empty seats on TV... though some of them emptied after the Grambling band performance at halftime. Thing is, they're more likely to drop football than they are to drop down to 1-AA.

There still is no known case, from what I can find, of a 1-A school dropping to 1-AA since the designations were formed and the initial partition made. Schools who have peeked over the precipice either use the threat for more fundraising, or simply drop football. Thing is, too many 1-AA schools having been dropping football. (BTW, at least I know Portland State actually dropped from 1-AA to D-2, and stayed there for many years before re-upping just in time for the Big Sky to take them in.)

Wyoming bought into a silly schedule last year. Three November home games are not good for them. Try driving to Laramie in November...

Last I heard, Drake had plans to upgrade their football stadium. Whatever became of this?

I also want to add that colleges and universities that don't have football programs should be dropped either to D2 or D3 I prefer D3. They should have 5 years to come up with a football program if not they should be kicked out of D1.

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This will never happen. That move would not only force many ADs and universities to come up with millions to put up a football team that would be guaranteed to draw bad numbers because of lack of talent, you would also be shoving schools that have proven they can hold their own in other sports down, which means you'll end up diluting March Madness, the College Baseball World Series, and other sports, which means you'd have to replace them with less than par programs from schools with football. This would be a very narrow-minded view for the NCAA to take, especially with the costs of maintaining a football team being very prohibitive compared to those of maintaining a quality basketball team.

The smart*** remark I'd have for this comment is "so when did you end up on the BCS payroll?" They would be the direct beneficiaries of other schools having to abandon their March Madness aspirations. I'd rather have basketball be somewhat of an equalizer than THAT.

Another one I've got is "are you going to buy season tickets to women's crew at Denver so they can stay D-1?" You're not going to derail Title IX (a Republican Congress under a Republican President hasn't been able to touch it, end of story), so it's incumbent on you to have a sense of reality here.

haha pounder I'm not on their payroll."I'd wish I had their numbers thou". No all I'm saying why should schools share money with other schools like longwood, and others. Most bball money is divide by schools in each conference. Some of it go to schools who have no football program and some go to schools with football programs. Schools when they get the money share it with different departments. Why if I'm a school in a conference want to share with other schools who don't have a football program this is unfair. Thats all I'm saying.

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Exactly. Cal State-Fullerton who just won the College Baseball World Series is a fine example.