Division 1A: 2025:

Atlantic Coast:
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Furman (From Southern Conference [By Way of Sun Belt])
Georgia Tech
Maryland
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

Big Twelve:
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Iowa State (From Big XII/XVI)
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Missouri (From Big XII/XVI)
Northwestern
Ohio State
Purdue
Wisconsin

Big XIV:
Air Force (From Mountain West)
Arkansas (From SEC)
Colorado
Colorado State (From Mountain West)
Kansas
Kansas State
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Christian (From Conference USA)
Texas Tech
Tulsa

Big East:
Boston College
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Delaware (From Atlantic 10/Colonial)
Louisville
Marshall
Penn State (From Big Ten/Twelve)
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
SUNY Buffalo (From MAC)
Villanova (From Atlantic 10/Colonial)
West Virginia

Big Sky(Upgrades from Division 1AA):
Boise State (From WAC)
Cal State-Fullerton (from Big West)
Idaho (From WAC)
Idaho State
Montana
Montana State
Montana Tech (From Rocky Mountain Conference)
Portland State
Sacramento State
Southern Utah
Utah Valley State (From Great West/Mid Continent)
Weber State

Colonial(Upgrades from Division 1AA):
Boston University (Revived Program. Plays at Foxboro Stadium)
Georgia State (New Program: Plays at Georgia Dome)
Maine
Massachusetts
New Hampshire
Old Dominion
Richmond
South Florida (From Big East)
James Madison
UNC-Charlotte
UNC-Greensboro
Virginia Commonwealth (New Program)
William and Mary

Conference USA:
Alabama-Birmingham
Central Florida
ECU
Georgia Southern (From Southern Conference by way of Sun Belt)
Houston
Louisiana-Lafayette (From Sun Belt Conference)
Memphis
Saint Louis (Revived Program. Plays at Edward Jones Dome)
Southern Methodist
Southern Mississippi
Texas State (From Southland Conference by way of Sun Belt)
UTEP

Little Twelve(New Conference, created from the implosions of the Missouri Valley, Gateway, and Horizon conference and turnovers in the MAC, MAIAC, Great West, GlVC, and GLIC:)
Illinois State (From Missouri Valley/ Gateway)
Indiana State (From Missouri Valley/Gateway)
IUPUI (From Mid Continent: Plays at RCA Dome.)
Michigan Tech (From GLIC by way of Mid Continent/Great West)
Minnesota State-Mankato (From North Central by way of Great West)
Nebraska-Omaha (From North Central by way of Great West)
North Dakota (From North Central by way of Great West)
North Dakota State (From Great West)
Ohio (From MAC)
South Dakota State (From Great West)
Southern Illinois (From Missouri Valley/Gateway)
Wayne State (Michigan) From GLIC by way of Horizon League/Gateway and MAC, Plays at Ford Field now)


Mid-American:
Akron
Ball State
Bowling Green State
Central Michigan
Dayton (From Atlantic Ten/Colonial/Pioneer League)
Eastern Michigan
Grand Valley State (From GLIC By way of Mid Continent/Gateway)
Miami (Ohio)
Northern Illinois
Northern Michigan (From GLIC by way of Mid Continent/Gateway)
Saginaw Valley State (From GLIC by way of Horizon League/Gateway)
Toledo
Western Michigan
Youngstown State (From Missouri Valley/Gateway)

Mountain West
BYU
Central Arizona* (From Rocky Mountain Conference, by way of Southland and WAC)
Denver (From Sun Belt, plays at Mile High)
Nevada (From WAC)
New Mexico
New Mexico State (From WAC)
Northern Arizona (From Big Sky by way of WAC)
UNLV
Utah
Utah State (From WAC)

Pacific 12:
Arizona
Arizona State
California-Berkley
California-Davis (From Big West/Great West by way of WAC and Mountain West)
California-Los Angeles
Hawaii (From WAC)
Oregon
Oregon State
Southern California
Stanford
Washington
Washington State

Southeastern:
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Louisiana State
Louisiana Tech (From WAC)
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
South Carolina
Tennessee
Tennessee A&M (Formerly Middle Tennessee State) (From Sun Belt by way of Colonial)

Sun Belt:
Arkansas State
Arkansas-Little Rock (Plays football at War Memorial Stadium)
Central Arkansas
Arkansas Tech (From Gulf South by way of Southland)
Troy
Louisiana-Monroe
Western Kentucky (From Gateway)
North Texas
South Alabama
Florida International
Florida Atlantic
Texas-San Antonio (From Southland)

Western Athletic:
Texas-Arlington (From Southland by way of Sun Belt)
Texas-Pan American (From Southland by way of Conference USA)
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi (From Southland)
New Mexico-Las Vegas (From Rocky Mountain by way of Big West/Pioneer)
Southern Arizona#(From Rocky Mountain by way of Big West/Pioneer)
Fresno State
San Diego State
California-Riverside (From Big West)
Nevada State (From Rocky Mountain by way of West Coast/Independant and Big Sky)

Independents:

Army
Navy
Notre Dame (If still in 1A)
Temple (If still in 1A)
Illinois-Chicago (From Horizon League, Plays football at Soldier Field)
Missouri State (From Missouri Valley/Gateway)
Oakland (From Mid Continent/Gateway, Plays football at Pontiac Silverdome)
UMKC (From Mid Continent/Gateway, Plays football at Arrowhead Stadium)

*Currently Arizona State-West Campus. A recent reorganization has just
split it off from Arizona State University. It will join the newly
created Arizona Regional University System (Northern Arizona is the
flagship of this system).

#Currently Arizona-Mesa. Will split off from University of Arizona to
join the Arizona Regional University system.


New Rivalries:

Virginia Commonwealth-Virginia (Trophy: Governor's Cup)

Old Dominion-Virginia Tech

William and Mary-Virginia

UC-Davis-UC-Riverside

Boston College-Boston U. (Trophy: Keg o'Beans)

Boston College-UMass (Trophy: Revolutionary War Musket)

Michigan State-Oakland

Michigan State-Michigan Tech (Trophy: Golden Engineer's Square)

Michigan-Wayne State

Wayne State-Oakland (Trophy: Pontiac V8)

Wayne State-Toledo (Trophy: Steel Wheel)

Western Michigan-Grand Valley State

Eastern Michigan-Saginaw Valley State

Northern Michigan-Central Michigan

Notre Dame-Dayton

UC Davis-Fresno State (Trophy: Silver Plow)

FIU-Miami

No More BCS: Instead Division 1A Championship is determined by a 24 team playoff. 14 conference champions + 10 at large bids (determined by what once was the BCS calculations before). If a Conference champion doesn't have a winning record, that bid goes to the next runner up. If no member has a winning record, then that spot becomes another at-lage bid.
This means that 24 places in the post-season are up for grabs in a division of 168 schools, compared to 60+ places among 119 schools right now.

Now tear it apart!

Benbreek, I shall not tear it apart, you worked too hard on it :). Notre Dame still independent 20 years from now and Temple looking for a home? How does the saying go, "the more things change, the more they stay the same?"

I will tear apart the Missouri schools at least - Saint Louis will not be playing football anyime soon. (Also they would play at the Edward Jones Dome - Busch Stadium is gone, at least the one where fb could be played in now it is bb only) UMKC will not be playing fb either. Also MO State would be in your "Little Twelve Conference" before alot of those teams.

Why not? There seems to be a niche there waiting to be filled, and it doesn't look like Division 2 Missouri-Saint Louis, Division 3 SIU-Edwardsville, or NAIA Washington of Saint Louis would cut it.




Thank you, and for UMKC, why not them? They would make natural rivals to Missouri State.




Really? Which ones?

For one SLU and UMKC dont have the money or the want to play football.

Now to MO State, actually all of the D2 move ups for one. And more than likely in the next 5 to 10 years will be playing football in CUSA or Sun Belt Conference.

That look like a bunch of garbage.

You didn't use a whole lot of common sense when you made this benbreeck.
Fortunately, experience is here to help you out.


Substitued BC for Furman
(Furman will never join the ACC. Too small and not enough $$$. Plus, their market is covered by Clemson)


A little better here, but still lacking some common sense. Penn State isn't going to leave the Big Ten, and Iowa isn't going to be clamoring for ISU to be a member.


14 team conference split the $$$ too many ways. Also, Arkansas is staying put.


SUNY Buffalo is a stretch, that's why I've got "??" by it.
PSU and BC won't happen. Agree on 'Nova and Delaware.


Forget BSU, UI, and CSU Fullerton. Mont. Tech is also unlikeley. UVSU is a maybe. That's why I left it.
I'll comment on the rest later.

d**n!

(I should let Quinn speak of the history lesson)

benbreeck,

You DID say to "tear it apart," so here goes. I noticed that you dropped Vandy from the SEC in favor of LT and MTSU (TN A&M). However, you did NOT have them anywhere else. While I can see a future where they discontinue FB, I cannot see that same future having that many schools move up to D1A. Either keep Vandy in the SEC, or keep the D1A school number below 120.

If you want Vandy out of the SEC (which is OK with me ;) ), and STILL want to add a large number of D1AA and D2 schools to D1A, then you need to think of something along the lines of the Southern Ivy/Magnolia thread. A restructured D1 with A, AA and AAA could also work. In this case, most of the private schools would be in the middle category.

Overall, nice try. You might want to read some of the dream thread post, as they are similar.

FBfan

Benbreeck,
You would even dare place the Big East on the list and even suggest changes? Are you an extreme radical? Do you know the consequences? Placing Delaware and SUNY-Buffalo among-st the elite such as Villanova? No Army and Navy associate plan? Where's Notre Dame who blesses them with bowl games? Then you have the gall to put rejected Penn State in there? And you put BC in there who was kicked out during the expulsion days for Miami, VaTech, and Temple. You don't change one iota about the Rev. Dr. Tranghese's perfect creation. To suggest any Big East change here, even a fantasy one, is worst than printing a Danish cartoon in Pakistan.
Maybe you could suggest that Louisville go to a re-education camp for a spell, but that suggestion can only come from an anointed Big Easter. Do you want exiled to the west and forced to attend rodeos?

The fabulous Lashette! :-*

OK, I'll play.

What the NCAA looks like in 2025 will depend on several factors. The two that I see are: 1. What will the economic outlook be for schools play D-1 football. This would include problems with Title IX as well as add revenue for the networks that would bid for FB telecast. 2. Will the current rules on academic progress and attendance be enforced.

I will try to guess on futures using these parameters.

1. Current conditions continue. I see 130 D-1A schools with 1- 3 current schools dropping down or dropping FB altogether. D-1AA will have several schools drop out, but may get some moving up from D-II.

2. Money the same, but all rules strictly enforced. By 2010 there will be a backlash by top 30 FB schools to not count transfers who leave in good standing. CFA could be bandied about (threatened). Transfers will not count toward graduation rates. Top BB schools will be VERY upset if those leaving for the pros after 1 year are counted. My guess is that the time clock will stop for early entries into the NFL and those going to the NBA will not count at all. By 2010- 2015 the rules will be modified to grandfather current D-1A schools on the attendance. The total number of D-1A schools could be In the 100-110 range.

3. Attendance rules unenforced, graduation rate rules modified to be fair to all, but money for TV does not keep up with inflation and Title IX cost exceed inflation. Ten to 15 schools drop FB in D-1A. D-1AA squeezed. There could be heavy attrition in D-1AA by 2025. There could be a rush by D-1AA schoolas


FBfan

benbreck,
the BE will look like this and will not take 20 yrs.Not very differnt from now and still best bb league.
Syracuse,Uconn,Pittsburgh,WVirginia,Villanova, Georgetown,USF,Cincinatti,Rutgers,army,navy,NotreDame, all play 1a football. St. Johns,Providence,Depaul & Marquette for bb.
BC could be sick of acc and come crawling back.Then BE dumps louisville & they can go to acc. BE is analytical & not breakup best bb conference.

continued from the other day.


Very unlikely this conference will move up. Plus, I don't see USF wanting to join this conference. It is possible that Boston U could bring football back, and the Ga. State could have football in the near future.


Say it with me. The old SWC is dead. The old SWC is dead. And yet you keep trying to bring it back under another name, using C-USA this time. Your conference is too regional and that hurts tv. Also, Tulane and Rice aren't too likely to drop football yet. Tulane basically had a year vacation from football and men's basketball due to Katrina. Rice is a lot like Vanderbilt. Very strict private school who has to compete with several schools that have more lenient standards than their own. St. Louis isn't too likely to revive its football program.


Ohio would freak if it were in this conference. Grand Valley makes more sense in this conference. Michigan Tech is quite contented to stay in the Great Lakes. Dunno on Wayne State.


a little more likely.


BYU isn't going to let Utah State join and New Mexico isn't going to let NM State join. UNLV has no objections to Nevada joining and has in fact, pushed for UNR's inclusion. That's why Nevada was left.


I just don't see the Pac 10 expanding to twelve. If they did, which is a very long shot at best, I don't see UC-Davis and Hawaii getting invites. My money would be on Colorado, and maybe Utah.


I just don't see the SEC changing.


Louisiana Tech is not going to be in the SEC. Never. Also, I have my doubts on UTSA.


much better.




Independents:

Army
Navy
Notre Dame (If still in 1A)

Illinois-Chicago (From Horizon League, Plays football at Soldier Field)
Missouri State (From Missouri Valley/Gateway)
Oakland (From Mid Continent/Gateway, Plays football at Pontiac Silverdome)
UMKC (From Mid Continent/Gateway,

*Currently Arizona State-West Campus. A recent reorganization has just
split it off from Arizona State University. It will join the newly
created Arizona Regional University System (Northern Arizona is the
flagship of this system).

#Currently Arizona-Mesa. Will split off from University of Arizona to
join the Arizona Regional University system.


New Rivalries:

Virginia Commonwealth-Virginia (Trophy: Governor's Cup)

Old Dominion-Virginia Tech

William and Mary-Virginia

UC-Davis-UC-Riverside

Boston College-Boston U. (Trophy: Keg o'Beans)

Boston College-UMass (Trophy: Revolutionary War Musket)

Michigan State-Oakland

Michigan State-Michigan Tech (Trophy: Golden Engineer's Square)

Michigan-Wayne State

Wayne State-Oakland (Trophy: Pontiac V8)

Wayne State-Toledo (Trophy: Steel Wheel)

Western Michigan-Grand Valley State

Eastern Michigan-Saginaw Valley State

Northern Michigan-Central Michigan

Notre Dame-Dayton

UC Davis-Fresno State (Trophy: Silver Plow)

FIU-Miami

No More BCS: Instead Division 1A Championship is determined by a 24 team playoff. 14 conference champions + 10 at large bids (determined by what once was the BCS calculations before). If a Conference champion doesn't have a winning record, that bid goes to the next runner up. If no member has a winning record, then that spot becomes another at-lage bid.
This means that 24 places in the post-season are up for grabs in a division of 168 schools, compared to 60+ places among 119 schools right now.

Now tear it apart![/quote]

I would replace your Furman prediction with Appalachian State but it will be somewhere in IA other than the ACC. That was the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen. In my opnion the only schools close to going IA are Geogia Southern, APP State, Delaware, Montana and James Madison. APP Stae will probably be the next school to move from IAA to IA and that will be several years

Atlantic Coast Conference: (conference championship in Jacksonville)
North: Maryland, Boston College, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Duke, North Carolina
South: Wake Forest, NC State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Miami (FL), Florida State

Big East Conference: (conference champioship in Birmingahm, Tampa, Syracuse, or Charlotte)
Red: Louisville, Cinicinnati, South Florida, Central Florida, Charlotte, UAB (simply now referred to as "Birmingham")
Blue: Syracuse, Rutgers, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, West Virgina, Massachussetts

Big North Conference: (conference championship in St. Louis or Detroit)
West: Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, NorthWestern
East: Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State

Big Twelve Conference: (conference championship in Kansas City or Houston)
North: Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Iowa State, Missouri State (who gets spot after Arkansas elects not to move)
South: Texas, Texas A&M, Houston, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

Mid-American Conference: (conference championship in Indianapolis)
West-Northern Illinois, Southern Illinois, Ball State, WMU, CMU, EMU
East-Ohio, Toledo, Akron, Kent, Buffalo, Temple

Mountain West: (conference championship in Phoenix)
Pacific: San Diego State, UNLV, Nevada, BYU, Boise State, Hawaii
Central: UTEP, TCU, New Mexico, Colorado State, Air Force, Wyoming

Pacific Eleven Conference:
California, UCLA, Stanford, Southern Cal, Arizona, Arizona State,
Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah

Southeastern Conference: (conference championship in Atlanta, Nashville, or New Orleans)
North: Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, Mississippi, Vanderbilt, South Carolina
South: Auburn, Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi State, Florida, Georgia

Sun Belt Conference: (conference championship in Tallahassee or Shreveport)
West: Arkansas State, ULM, Western Kentucky, MTSU, Appalachian State, James Madison
East: Florida International, Florida Atlantic, ULL, South Alabama, Troy, Georgia Southern

Conference USA: (conference championship in Houston or New Orleans)
West: Baylor, Southern Methodist, Tulsa, Rice, Memphis, Louisiana Tech
East: Southern Miss, East Carolina, Tulane, Marshall, Miami (OH), Delaware

Western Athletic: (conference championship in Los Angeles or Dallas)
North: Idaho, Montana, Sacramento State, UC-Davis, San Jose State, Fresno State
South: Northern Arizona, Utah State, New Mexico State, Texas State, North Texas, Texas-San Antonio

Independents:
Army, Navy, Notre Dame