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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 6:18 pm 
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I bet a 8 team all-sports league with Memphis and Temple could get the same bb money contract as the current league. Not splitting the bb money with 6 other schools would replace whatever they would lose per school in BCS money.


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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 7:12 pm 
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Sports kc have you been to Temple home football game?They were tossed from the BE for a lot of reasons.The reasons that memphis was not taken in 2003 are still true in 2006.Those who have voting control of the BE totally disagree with Lash's viewpoints.Arrangements,big money ,bcs membership seem to greatly outweight the importance of the 9th football member.Some do not believe there are alternative solutions to complex problems.They insist that what is good for some must be the same for THE BE.However,this restrictive view has been vetoed by the BE.


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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 7:49 pm 
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What are the reasons Memphis didnt get in? Other than geography, it seemed the only reason was that the BE was only taking 3 All-sports member. Louisville and Cincinnati were locks for sure, USF was a late add that made sense for the Florida connection. They added DePaul and Marquette to keep the BB only schools happy. Memphis seemed to be #9 but the BE wanted the 2 bb only schools.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:01 am 
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Location,marketplace,strength and educational standing regarding memphis.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:10 am 
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I would like to revisit the merger of the top 6 Big East football schools with the top 6 MWC schools.

This idea provides the Big East football schools options if they get tired of the current arrangement and determine that football is really important.


Since the MWC has good academic schools and has the non qualifier rule that the Big East established this year, the commuter and directional schools are not an issue with this idea.

East: Connecticut, Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt, West Virginia, Louisville

West: Utah, BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, UNLV, San Diego State

I will post more benefits on my original thread of this idea.

It provides food for thought and an out when the Big East schools are ready to move.

Tigersharktwo, WVU and Louisville would move to the SEC today, ditto for Pitt, Syracuse, and Rutgers to the Big 10 if the options were available.

So its not one big happy family regardless of how MT and the Presidents want to make everyone appear to be very satisfied.

The fans on many of the Big East boards are furious with the lasted bowl fiasco.

So we should continue to brainstorm and provide options should they be needed.




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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:36 pm 
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I would like to revisit the merger of the top 6 Big East football schools with the top 6 MWC schools.

This idea provides the Big East football schools options if they get tired of the current arrangement and determine that football is really important.


Since the MWC has good academic schools and has the non qualifier rule that the Big East established this year, the commuter and directional schools are not an issue with this idea.

East: Connecticut, Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt, West Virginia, Louisville

West: Utah, BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, UNLV, San Diego State

I will post more benefits on my original thread of this idea.

It provides food for thought and an out when the Big East schools are ready to move.

Tigersharktwo, WVU and Louisville would move to the SEC today, ditto for Pitt, Syracuse, and Rutgers to the Big 10 if the options were available.

So its not one big happy family regardless of how MT and the Presidents want to make everyone appear to be very satisfied.

The fans on many of the Big East boards are furious with the lasted bowl fiasco.

So we should continue to brainstorm and provide options should they be needed.




While I am not an advocate of schools from far-flung areas being in the same conference, Lash your presentation could offer a degree of more sense than what is current with the BE, and the MWC for that matter. That would hinge on the BCS and bowl factors. It is better than 16 bb, 8 fb, with Notre Dame making a huge sucking sound. For such to work, equitable and distinct divisions are needed which you hypothetically offered.
With USF, and midwestern bb, the BE should not claim they are adverse to looking beyond the immediate. When, it gets looking beyond football though, super designs do pose more complexities and hamper logistics.

While I would be immensely shocked if this or anything similar ever happened, it is actually an improvement, in a certain way, and would hold firmly BE BCS, and strengthen their national profiles and give those few schools in the untapped western regions exposure and enhanced recognition that is appropriate.

Progress is often made when new thinking and initiatives are put forth. I believe that is part of what these boards are all about, sharing ideas. Some will disagree with your idea, but it is an idea, and one need not let a-kinda-Tigeroghese mode of negativism impede fun and perhaps unique and differing thoughts being shared.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:33 pm 
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Idealism is not what BCS level athletics is about.Those in the BE leadership are more concerned with a financially viable league than an 1950's version of college athletics.But even in 1950 ND was at the top of the world.Even the mwc cut the the throats their wac brothers for the big buck.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:10 pm 
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Tigersharktwo, please provide us with written information of what your stating the Big East Leaders are doing. Otherwise you are just as opinionated as us. Are you stating that you attend Big East meetings and have an inside track. If so the Big East is more wishy washy than any of us would have originally thought.

One day your stating the Big East has an alliance with Navy and the next day Navy creates a deal that can possibly steal one of the Big East bowl deals.

Another day your stating the Big East has an alliance with the MAC and the day both Rutgers and WVU have to go scrambling to create voids in schedules created by a MAC member.

Then again, maybe you do have inside track to Big East meetings and more reason the Big East keeps getting blind sided with college football.

If the Big East is really following your lead, then we all can understand why the conference keeps getting screwed.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:54 pm 
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if the big east football schools are not fed up by 2010, then Mike T must be putting something in the drinks of the leaders of the football schools when they meet. all kidding aside, it just does not make since for the football schools to limit themselves to maintain ties with georgetown and villanova. i don't think they would miss st. john's, seton hall, and providence, while notre dame has been a big thorn in their side when it comes to taking their bowl bids. they need to split so they can finally establish themselves as a true all sports conference. it may be bumpy at first, but in the long run they will not regret it.

its sad that the northeast is always missing the boat when it comes to their conferences. they've already lost bc and penn st. becaue of their stubbornness.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:36 pm 
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Whats the big deal.The only thing open to the BE schools is cusa leftovers for football.Unless bc cannot stand the acc and wants back into the BE.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:41 am 
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Navy better hope WVU does not fall to 3rd place or the Service Academy will need to find another bowl. WVU is like a home NC school when playing in Charlotte.

If the Big East added East Carolina as football only member, the Charlotte bowl would probably not want to gamble on leaving out a potential Louisville, WVU, or East Carolina from playing in the bowl game. Rutgers had really good attendance for last years Insight bowl and probably would take a lot of fans to Charolotte as well.

What happened with Navy playing in the International bowl?

I guess Navy is following Notre Dame on using the Big East and not providing much useful benefits in the process.

Sooner or latter the football schools have got to stop blaming Notre Dame and Navy and start to question the makeup of the conference stucture of having non like schools associated in the same organization.

TV money is not going to make up for lack of 8 conference games, potential loss of minor bowl slots to Navy and Notre Dame and possibly Army once that school catches up to Navy.

If UConn would had a winning season last year, USF would have been left at home or in the new scenerio could be left home due to Navy or Notre Dame taking a potential bowl slot.

It just seems like every time the Big East takes one positive step foreword, the football schools fall one big step behind.



Navy doesn't have to worry Lash. The are tied into a bowl on the
West Coast if they don't steal the Mienkee Bowl away from the BE this year.

As for your MWC and BE merger, I don't think a future BCS conference will want us BE LEFTOVERS. Besides the travel is too expensive for the Olympic sports.

What the BE needs is more TS2 and Train Goose alliances. ND bends the BE over. The ACC steals two golden eggs and a silver coin. MAC alliance partner Buffalo shafts the BE for the SEC. Then Navy's Bill the Goat rams it home. Some Big East commish we have. But don't worry for the BE. Trained Goose will save us by getting four more BB only teams to join the BE.

North East football will never die though. After this sham you better believe that Cuse, Pitt, L'Ville, Rutgers, Conn, and W.Vir are on the phones behind the scene to the ACC, B-10, B-12, and SEC. Of course they will show the face of solidarity while negotiating BCS and TV contracts. If one foot wasn't out the door before both feet are running now from this embarrassing league. The FB schools better Dump the Goose, get a real FB and all sports commish, and start looking out for themselves or they will be a mid major conference with out a BCS auto bid.

BE leftovers and Cusa leftovers UNITE. Any conference you form with out the sleeping trained Goose has got to be better then the constant up and down embarrassment of the BE. Eventually the BE FB teams will end up in great conferences when the ACC annihilates it by going to 14 teams along with the SEC and B-12. The B-10 will eventually go to 12 teams by taking Cuse or Pitt. It looks like Cuse is the favored one for the NY market. Rutgers, L'Ville, Pitt, Conn, and W.Vir will end up in the ACC, B-12, or SEC.
Cinn, and USF head back to Cusa or the MAC. Better days are ahead when the Trained Goose flys the coup with his precious BB league.

Just imagine a growing Eastern Conference if it formed years ago. Penn St., Cuse, Conn, Rutgers, W.Vir., Pitt, BC, Miami, Vir. Tech and Lville. Throw in Temple and Cinn for a 12 team all sports conference and you would have a Beast of the East covering major markets in FB and BB.

If Miami, VT, and BC weren't laughing at the BE mud slinging as they exited the BE door for the ACC, they are certainly laughing now. As a matter of fact the real anchor 5 conferences are probably in stitches too.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:17 am 
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The BE is laughing at ALL THE CRAP the originates with BE experts on split ups.There is no BE split up.There is a great tv contract for football and bb .There are lots of non bcs bowls and the bcs bowl.The BE tv market is clearly superior to any other conference.(The academic standing of the cusa leftovers IS CLEARLY BELOW that of the BE.)THE BE does have to model itself after anyother league,it just needs to be successful which is and will be.Certainly there are other possibilities for football including Villanova(alreading spending over 3 million a year on football,the new status of 1AA and the arrival of ODU to the A10/Colonial by 2009 may change some things)


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Navy better hope WVU does not fall to 3rd place or the Service Academy will need to find another bowl. WVU is like a home NC school when playing in Charlotte.

If the Big East added East Carolina as football only member, the Charlotte bowl would probably not want to gamble on leaving out a potential Louisville, WVU, or East Carolina from playing in the bowl game. Rutgers had really good attendance for last years Insight bowl and probably would take a lot of fans to Charolotte as well.

What happened with Navy playing in the International bowl?

I guess Navy is following Notre Dame on using the Big East and not providing much useful benefits in the process.

Sooner or latter the football schools have got to stop blaming Notre Dame and Navy and start to question the makeup of the conference stucture of having non like schools associated in the same organization.

TV money is not going to make up for lack of 8 conference games, potential loss of minor bowl slots to Navy and Notre Dame and possibly Army once that school catches up to Navy.

If UConn would had a winning season last year, USF would have been left at home or in the new scenerio could be left home due to Navy or Notre Dame taking a potential bowl slot.

It just seems like every time the Big East takes one positive step foreword, the football schools fall one big step behind.



Trained Goose will save us by getting four more BB only teams to join the BE.


CarolinaKnights, you are almost succeeding in being poetic ;D. In fact, that is much greater possibility than Villanova ever going 1-A (then dropping the sport like they did before because of dismal attendance, lost revenue, and being way over their heads).

Now the Geesey Method Four: Creighton, Dayton, Xavier (O), and St. Bonaventure? Or what about Niagara, Duquesne, Manhattan, and Canisius? What about Gannon, Immaculata, Holy Cross, and Saint Thomas (FL) --- get back that Miami, FLA crowd ;D!

The possibilities are numerous!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:17 am 
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Tigersharktwo, I think you have it wrong, all the BCS conferences are laughing at the Big East for getting itself into all these conflicts and issues. The ACC gets a good laugh almost daily.

As a Big East football fan, I am finally coming to terms that Big East is a mid major football conference that is lucky to have an automatic BCS bid.



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carolinknights, how do you like idea of taking 6 MWC large state supported schools to join Rutgers, WVU, Louisville, UConn, Syracuse, and Pitt. Cincinnati and South Florida get left out, however, they are both so new and this is the price of big time college sports..

If we could get the 6 BE football schools and the 6 schools from the MWC to just think out of the box for a change, there is no reason this conference would make more money than the current 16 member Big East basketball league.

Its called taking a risk, something Big East officials do not understand and can only make excuses for getting blind sided for lack of risk taking.

We may not like calling the Big East the slang "Big Least", however, "Big Excuse" may be more fitting.



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