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 Post subject: Disband the MWC
PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:05 am 
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What about that list sounds impressive? Half the entries are about joint grad programs with UCSD and other schools. The other half are mid-tier rankings in obscure majors.
These are San Diego State's peer institutions: http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t4natudoc_brief.php

What does the opportunities for travelers have to do with any thing? Perhaps the Pac-10 should bring in Hawaii and Savannah State. We're not talking about picking a site for a conference tournament, we're talking about adding a school that will pluck off 1/12th of the conference's revenues. Fact is the Pac-10 already controls the SD and LV markets. They aren't showing Big 12 games over the Pac-10 in San Diego or Nevada.
Conferences expand for one of 2 reasons: to make money or to stay afloat. The Pac-10 wouldn't gain anything from San Diego State or UNLV.

I understand, when you require the medical research being performed at a podunk U you will refuse it because it is not up to your elitists standard.
http://advancement.sdsu.edu/marcomm/news/releases/spring2008/pr031708.html

As for me, if the research is being performed successfully and tested out correctly, I do not have any qualms about waiting for blue blood to be transferred to my veins.

A common misconception by the Pac Ten is that they do own the San Diego and Nevada markets. They don't. If the ratings are high on any given weekend for Pac Ten sports on TV in either of those markets, it is because that is what is on the TV, with little competition. If the Pac Ten thinks they own the Idaho market because Washington State is on TV, they are wrong about that, too. If the Pac Ten feels it owns the New Mexico market because the Arizona schools are in the Pac Ten, then that is faulty logic. Granted, the Pac Ten may own the Sacramento market because Cal and Stanford are relatively close, that may not continue to happen if either Sacramento State or UC Davis keep moving up in divisions.

Does the Pac Ten need San Diego State and the University of Nevada at Las Vegas? No. They probably do not need those two teams any more than they need either the two Washington teams or the two Oregon teams. Granted the Pac Ten does need the four existing California teams in their conference and could probably save money, without losing much by dropping the four Northern schools and finding four schools closer to their current campuses.

Maybe that is what you really want, though. Rather than building a Pac Twelve, revamping the whole conference.


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 Post subject: Disband the MWC
PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:50 pm 
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There's nothing wrong with San Diego State's reputation for academics. Many schools have great programs. It's just not the level the Pac-10 schools would like to be affiliated with. All Pac-10 schools are known for their faculty research, strong graduates, challenging undergraduate studies, impressive freshmen classes and much more.

It's hardly a common misconception. The reason why there's nothing else on TV is that the San Diego and Nevada stations won't broadcast Big 12 games over the Pac-10. They know the people in those markets care more about the Pac-10 than any other conference of major significance. The cities are essentially ex-burbs of existing Pac-10 markets and thus filled with Pac-10 alumni. Until San Diego State or UNLV or the MWC step it up to truly rival the Pac-10, that will always be the case. There's nothing they can add, at this time or the near future, to justify their inclusion into the league on their own merits or at the expense of the non-California schools.
By the way, conference affiliation is rarely about saving money. Unless you're Chicago State and the Summit League. It's about making money. Pushing your conference/school brand further. That's why many MEAC schools are looking for an out. That's why the Pac-10 has been rumored to want Texas. That's why the ACC stretched outside of Tobacco Road to grab BC and Miami. Back to my original point: look for the Pac-10 to expand by adding the best, not the closest. They already own everything the closest schools can offer - from its TV markets to its best high school graduates.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:33 pm 
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The Las Vegas market is chock full of people FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. UNLV can barely sustain their football program. It completely sucks, because the locals don't care.

San Diego State faculty are talking about shutting down football. The stadium rent they pay is daunting.

In short, the support at both places lacks. TRAVELERS may like to go to San Diego and LOVE to go to Vegas, but they don't need college football as an excuse, and don't use it. They are not Pac-10 markets, pure and simple. D. O. A.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:46 pm 
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UNLV stadium is full for football games.


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 Post subject: Disband the MWC
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:20 pm 
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http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/attendance/IA_AVGATTENDANCE.pdf

80% is an improvement.

They had been hovering at 20K for the last several years.

MOREOVER, from the 2007 season...

Sept. 8, 2007 WISCONSIN L 20-13 38,250
Sept. 15, 2007 HAWAII L 49-14 38,125
Sept. 22, 2007 UTAH* W 27-0 23,180
Oct. 13, 2007 BYU* L 24-14 38,026
Oct. 20, 2007 COLORADO STATE* L 48-23 19,266
Nov. 10, 2007 SAN DIEGO STATE* L 38-30 18,837

When looking at that home schedule, and when recalling how Hawaii fans were talking about bringing 10K fans to that game, it's pretty clear to me that the schedule was favorable. Everyone knows Wisconsin travels. Yet, look at the difference between Utah and BYU. Look at CSU and SDSU. UNLV is dependent on traveling fans of the OTHER school.

Shall we look at 2006?

Sept 2, Idaho State, 19,943
Sept 30, Nevada, 37,179
Oct 14, New Mexico, 16,456
Nov 4, TCU, 13,916
Nov 18, Wyoming, 14,021
Nov 24, Air Force, box score omitted

Yes, I know, 2006 was a BAD year. 2 wins.
So let's see 2005:

Sept 10, Idaho, 21,870
Oct 8, San Diego State, 18,372
Oct 22, Utah, 19,108
Nov 5, BYU, 23,677
Nov 19, Colorado State, 16,543

Also a bad year. 2 wins.

So, 2008 brings:

Aug 30, Utah State (uh oh)
Sept 20, Iowa State (that might get a crowd)
Sept 27, Nevada (if it doesn't sell out...)
Oct 18, Air Force
Nov 1, TCU
Nov 8, New Mexico
Nov 13, Wyoming

Four conference home games in 5 weeks? That's usually not good for walkup crowds. Too much at once. Ouch. Not to mention that it's "the bad year" for conference draws, though I don't really know how Air Force draws in Sam Boyd.

I'd be curious to see how Iowa State draws. Nevada SHOULD sell out. The rest is asking for trouble.


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