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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:12 am 
These are my Rankings for the I-A Conferences

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1.Big 10(They put 8 teams in Bowls this year, And they have had great conference play all year, the OSU-Michigan Game was really great this year...No one is closer to being the perfect conference than the Big 10, and with talks of Notre Dame Joining, the Big 10 will only get better.)

2.SEC-( A fairly Balanced Conference, i'm putting them Number 2 because the team won the BCS Championship Game, LSU put it to OU early and congrats to them for holding strong and winning...Many of the Best Players, Rivalries, Coaches, and Fans come from the South, the SEC is always a top 3 Conference.)

3.Big 12-(I wish that OU had won, so i could have put the SEC below the Big 12, but it was a good game at the end anyways...the Big 12, put 2 teams in the BCS, and it would have been nice to see Texas in one of those games as well, But the Southwest is a great place for Talent, Especially in Texas and LA, if Colorado had been Bowl Elidgible, the Big 12 would have gotten my #2 pick.)

4.Pac-10-(This is no East Coast Bias, but the PAC-10 is not as good as the SEC or Big12, and it doesn't come close to the Big 10, The Rivalries are good, especially the California Schools, But The Conference Strength isn't there as much...Arizona drug the Conference down on the field, and Washington Drug the Conference Down off the field, then all the "West Coast" bias the Pac-10 has been shouting really only makes people more aware of they problems of the PAC-10.)

5.ACC- (This was a dissapointing year for the ACC, a bad year for NC State, higher expectations from Virginia and Wake Forest, and anytime North Carolina Loses to Duke, it was a strange year for this Conference. But since they will be getting the 3 best teams in the Big East, I have to put them over The Big East.)

6.Big East-(Still the Smallest of the Bunch, but still great play from the Big East, Great win over FSU in the Orange Bowl for Miami, Aside from Temple, The Big East did a good job as far as Balance in the Conference, too bad they're losing Miami, BC, and VT. VT had a dissappointing year as well, making it a number 6 slot for the Big East.)

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7.MAC-(The Best Mid-Major Conference this year, they are they most regional Conference, they play great football, and they beat a bunch of BCS Schools, It's just a shame that they only get 2 Bowl Tie-ins, there were 3 other good teams in the MAC that deserved to be in a Bowl(i.e. Northern Illinois, Marshall, Toledo, Akron))

8.WAC-(3-1 in Bowl Games this year, with the exception of SMU and UTEP, a really good Conference, Boise State is one of the most underrated Teams in the Country, and with the losses of the dead weight to Conference USA, and with them adding NMSU and Utah State, The WAC will be a great Regional Conference, Hopefully they will Lose Louisiana Tech and Add Idaho for another Regional Matchup.)

9.MWC-(most Balanced Conference, Didn't make much noise out of conference, the only shining star was Utah, the rest of the Conference was okay, but with a bad year from BYU, It's a hard situation for the Mountain West, they're a very spread out Conference, and the area they cover, already is overshadowed by teams from they Big 12 and Pac 10...This Conference still plays good football, and will continue to get better, probably the best Candidate for BCS inclusion if they added a few Western Schools.)

10.C-USA-(After TCU almost making it to the BCS, to TCU deciding to stay home in the Fort Worth Bowl because of "exams", Conference USA could didn't do that well overall, and now they're losing 3 of their better teams to the Big East. TCU was the one of the most overrated teams this year. combined with ECU and Army to equal 1 win and 24 losses, and the fact that if Memphis hadn't beaten North TX, Conference USA wouldn't have won a Bowl Game this year....This was a terrible year for Conference USA.)

11.Sun Belt-(The only "good" team in the SBC this year lost it's only Bowl, so that definitely puts them at the bottom, and the fact that no one else had more than 5 wins also makes this a dissappointing year for the SBC.)

I hope you enjoyed reading this, i am just letting off the last bit of steam of this roller coaster of a season in College Football.

Oh and if you want to know this is my pick for the top 3 teams...

1.LSU-(they beat OU fair and square, and they deserve to be #1, the BCS works, but it needs a little revision.)

2.Oklahoma-(The Sooners are one of the most Dominant Football teams in history, if Oklahoma played the 1st half like they played the 2nd half, and Jason White had gotten in a Rhythm in the beginning, This would have been a totally Different Ball Game. Next Year, we might see rematch with OU and LSU.)

3. USC-( USC is a GREAT Team, they had a Great Year, but...They're Schedule was not a strong as LSU or OU, add the fact that they lost in Overtime to an Unranked opponent in Cal...USC shouldn't be number 1 in the Human Polls, You have to look at the season the team has...and you'll see that USC played a weaker schedule than LSU, and the SEC Championship Game didn't even matter, LSU had already beaten Georgia, so you can take that win away, and you'd still have a better team in LSU than USC...if LSU and USC played, LSU would kill USC...

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ACC went 5-1 in bowls; Big 12 went 2-6.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:29 am 
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1.Big 10(They put 8 teams in Bowls this year, And they have had great conference play all year... No one is closer to being the perfect conference than the Big 10...
The conference did perform well overall, save for the 3-5 bowl record. Can't say that I disagree with you here.


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2.SEC-( A fairly Balanced Conference, i'm putting them Number 2 because the team won the BCS Championship Game... Many of the Best Players, Rivalries, Coaches, and Fans come from the South.)
If talent and rivalries equaled success, Auburn would have won the title this year. I would consider the SEC #1 or 2, however, because overall the confernce featured more big teams winning more big games.


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3.Big 12-(I wish that OU had won, so i could have put the SEC below the Big 12... the Big 12 put 2 teams in the BCS. But the Southwest is a great place for Talent, If Colorado had been Bowl Elidgible, the Big 12 would have gotten my #2 pick.)

4.Pac-10-(This is no East Coast Bias, but the PAC-10 is not as good as the SEC or Big12, and it doesn't come close to the Big 10... The Conference Strength isn't there as much...Arizona drug the Conference down on the field, and Washington Drug the Conference Down off the field, then all the "West Coast" bias the Pac-10 has been shouting really only makes people more aware of they problems of the PAC-10.)

Here's where I disagree with you. The Big 12 went 3-5 in bowl games, KSU lost at home to Marshall... Yes, on average over years the Big 12 turns out great football, but this seemed (IMO) a down year for the league. The Pac 10, meanwhile went 4-2 in bowl games (including Wazzou topping Texas) and while "name" schools Oregon, UCLA and Washington didn't contend for the top five, the conference featured some solid play. So Arizona is bad! Every conference has 1-2 eggs. (Baylor, Indiana, Duke, Vandy...) The Pac 10 may not have been better than the Big 12, but to make them as bad as you sound means the remaining conferences on your list outright suck.


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5.ACC- (This was a dissapointing year for the ACC, a bad year for NC State, higher expectations from Virginia and Wake Forest... But since they will be getting the 3 best teams in the Big East, I have to put them over The Big East.)
Funny how the concept of NC State limping to 8 wins is considered a blight on this conference now. And why is parity throughout the conference bad for the ACC yet great for eveyone else! Your allusion to Colorado above could easily apply to Wake Forest here. The conference went 5-1 in bowls, the only loss coming to a decent Miami squad. And you seem to be ranking them generously because they "will be getting the 3 best teams from the Big East?" Are you saying the BE was better this year?!!



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Oh and if you want to know this is my pick for the top 3 teams...

1.LSU-(they beat OU fair and square, and they deserve to be #1. the BCS works, but it needs a little revision.)

2.Oklahoma-(The Sooners are one of the most Dominant Football teams in history, if Oklahoma played the 1st half like they played the 2nd half, and Jason White had gotten in a Rhythm in the beginning, This would have been a totally Different Ball Game.)

3. USC-( USC is a GREAT Team, they had a Great Year, but...They're Schedule was not a strong as LSU or OU, add the fact that they lost in Overtime to an Unranked opponent in Cal...USC shouldn't be number 1 in the Human Polls, You have to look at the season the team has...and you'll see that USC played a weaker schedule than LSU, and the SEC Championship Game didn't even matter, LSU had already beaten Georgia, so you can take that win away, and you'd still have a better team in LSU than USC...if LSU and USC played, LSU would kill USC...

From my perspective, your affinity for the Big 12 and/or the south has jaded this poll. OU tanks their last two games, the biggest of their year, and you consider them #2? "Looking at the season the team has," and taking their schedule into account, I'd take USC and Ohio State & Miami over Oklahoma. In my opinion the Big 12 failed to deliver, thus OU's victories look less impressive, much as you view USC's schedule. Cal may have been unranked, but they won their bowl. And it's not as if they plastered USC, it came in overtime.

We'll never know for sure, but I'd be hard pressed to feel LSU would beat USC, let alone "kill" them as you suggest.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:35 pm 
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Michael.

Come on!
You either blinded by your "fan" status, or something worse.
(trying to refrain from pejorative name calling here). ;)

Oklahoma #2???????????
The question is still who is #1 USC or LSU.
Since the BCS decided to take a team that couldn't win its conference, that question will never be decided.

The Big 12 proved itself to be fairly weak by its bowl performance. They went 2-6!!!
And you rate them above the Pac-10 that went 4-2???

What are you drinking?
What are you smoking?
Get in the real world...

Gunner you are right on the mark here! :D

I could say more, but since most of your post belongs on the dung heap of intellectual debate, and Gunner has said most of what needs to be said, I'll leave it at that...



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:28 am 
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Gunner, Daddywags, you are making the same mistake as the polls. Who lost last is all that matters.

Despite going 2-6 in bowls, the Big 12 still had the best ooc record against I-A schools this year. The ACC went 5-1 in bowls but were still #5. That good bowl record kept them from being passed by the MWC and falling into #7.

And bowl matchups matter. For example, the CUSA was 1-4 BUT, they played 4 conference champs. Their #1 lost to MWC #1. Their #2 lost close game to WAC #1. Their #3 lost to MAC #1. Their #4 beat Sun Belt #1 and their #5 lost on the road in OT to WAC #3. The Big 12 had problems with UT and KSU not really having their heads in the game until late in the 2nd half (KSU had the Roberson distraction and UT didn't really want to be in San Diego). Both still came very close. As it was, the Big 12 had 4 games that could have gone either way and lost all 4.

The top 6 were really very close this year in ooc record.

Record vs. I-A teams:
1) Big 12 64.0% 32-18
2) SEC 62.8% 32-19
3) Big 10 62.0% 31-19
4) Pac 10 61.4% 27-17
5) ACC 60.5% 23-15
6) BE 60.5% 26-17
note the GAP here
7) Indies 54.8% 23-19
8) MWC 50.0% 18-18
9) CUSA 43.2% 19-25
note the GAP here
10) WAC 33.3% 13-26
11) MAC 26.8% 11-30
note the GAP here
12) non I-A 13.9% 10-62
13) Sun Belt 7.9% 3-35 (with 2 wins over future member Troy St)

The MAC is not better than anyone but the Sun Belt. Just because Miami and BG are good and NIU, Toledo and Marshall are solid does not make the MAC a good conference. MAC is awful in the bottom half. WAC was not very good in the bottom half either.

The rankings of the top 6 are debatable, but W-L records make it real clear that MWC is next (and NOT in the top 6), CUSA follows, then WAC, then MAC. And the Sun Belt needs to get a lot better real fast or get out of I-A.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 9:06 am 
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Well said, Bullet. I would make just a couple of changes to your rankings. Considering that the SEC and Pac-10 BOTH produced MNC's, and that the difference between thier conferences and the ones above them are so small, they get a bump.

1. SEC
2. Big XII
3. Pac-10
4. Big Ten
5. ACC
6. Big East

Another thing, I don't really have the time to find the answer, but it would be interesting to know the relative strength of each conference's ooc schedule. I wouldn't be suprised to find the upper non-BCS conferences (MWC, C-USA, WAC) have surpisingly strong ones since they must try to gain respect somehow...


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:18 am 
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Bullett, thanks for the info and insight, particularly the CUSA bowl line-up. Did everyone notice how many of the mid-major bowls were tabbed as "must-see" games by the newswonks because of the good match-ups? Lots of great ball to be had by those who took the time.

Perhaps Gumby hits the nail on the head by pointing out the differences between the upper conferences is quite small, a point I should have emphasized during my original take. Sure, USC didn't have too many top 25 teams on their schedule, but they didn't play a Sun Belt school and I-AA school (I don't think) as LSU did, either. In any case, the top four remain the same and deservedly so. No disrespect in any order there, either.

Anyone up to calculating the ooc records against other BCS teams?


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Here you go... hopefully this turns out all right.

WAC 4-18 (.182) vs. BCS Teams
Boise State lost to Oregon State
Fresno State lost to Tennessee beat Oregon State lost to Oklahoma beat UCLA (Bowl)
Hawaii lost to Southern California beat Alabama
Louisiana Tech lost to Miami beat Michigan State lost to Louisiana State
Nevada lost to Oregon beat Washington
Rice lost to Duke lost to Texas
San Jose State lost to Florida lost to Stanford
Southern Methodist lost to Texas Tech lost to Baylor lost to Oklahoma State
Texas El-Paso lost to Arizona
Tulsa lost to Minnesota lost to Arkansas lost to Georgia Tech (Bowl)

MWC 6-14 (.300) vs. BCS Teams
Air Force beat Northwestern
Brigham Young beat Georgia Tech lost to Southern California lost to Stanford lost to Notre Dame
Colorado State lost to Colorado beat California lost to Boston College (Bowl)
Nevada-Las Vegas lost to Kansas beat Wisconsin
New Mexico lost to Texas Tech lost to Washington State lost to Oregon State (Bowl)
San Diego State lost to Ohio State lost to UCLA
Utah lost to Texas A&M beat California beat Oregon
Wyoming lost to Oklahoma State lost to Kansas

Sun Belt 1-21 (.045) vs. BCS Teams
Arkansas State lost to Texas A&M lost to Mississippi
Idaho lost to Washington State lost to Washington
Louisiana-Lafayette lost to South Carolina lost to Minnesota lost to Oklahoma State
Louisiana-Monroe lost to Louisiana State lost to Mississippi lost to Auburn
Middle Tennessee State lost to Georgia lost to Clemson lost to Missouri lost to Temple
New Mexico State lost to Texas lost to Oregon State lost to Arkansas
North Texas lost to Oklahoma beat Baylor lost to Arkansas
Utah State lost to Nebraska lost to Arizona State

MAC 8-22 (.267) vs. BCS Teams
Akron lost to Wisconsin
Ball State lost to Missouri lost to Pittsburgh lost to Boston College
Bowling Green beat Purdue lost to Ohio State beat Northwestern (Bowl)
Buffalo lost to Rutgers lost to Iowa
Central Florida lost to Virginia Tech lost to Syracuse lost to West Virginia
Central Michigan lost to Michigan
Eastern Michigan lost to Maryland
Kent State lost to Pittsburgh lost to Penn State
Marshall lost to Tennessee beat Kansas State
Miami-Ohio lost to Iowa beat Northwestern
Northern Illinois beat Maryland beat Alabama beat Iowa State
Ohio lost to Iowa State lost to Minnesota lost to Kentucky
Toledo beat Pittsburgh lost to Syracuse
Western Michigan lost to Michigan State lost to Virginia

Conference USA 11-14 (.440) vs. BCS Teams
Alabama-Birmingham beat Baylor lost to South Carolina lost to Georgia
Army lost to Rutgers
Cincinnati beat West Virginia beat Temple
East Carolina lost to West Virginia lost to Miami lost to Wake Forest lost to North Carolina
Houston lost to Michigan beat Mississippi State
Louisville beat Kentucky beat Syracuse beat Temple
Memphis beat Mississippi lost to Mississippi State
South Florida lost to Alabama
Southern Mississippi lost to California lost to Nebraska lost to Alabama
Texas Christian beat Vanderbilt beat Arizona
Tulane beat Mississippi State lost to Texas

Pac 10 12-10 (.545) vs. ooc BCS Teams
Arizona lost to Louisiana State lost to Purdue
Arizona State lost to Iowa beat North Carolina
California lost to Kansas State beat Illinois beat Virginia Tech (Bowl)
Oregon beat Mississippi State beat Michigan lost to Minnesota (Bowl)
Oregon State
Southern California beat Auburn beat Notre Dame beat Michigan (Bowl)
Stanford lost to Notre Dame
UCLA lost to Colorado beat Illinois lost to Oklahoma
Washington lost to Ohio State beat Indiana
Washington State lost to Notre Dame beat Colorado beat Texas (Bowl)

Big 12 8-14 (.364) vs. ooc BCS Teams
Baylor
Colorado beat UCLA lost to Washington State lost to Florida State
Iowa State lost to Iowa
Kansas lost to Northwestern lost to N.C. State (Bowl)
Kansas State beat California lost to Ohio State (Bowl)
Missouri beat Illinois lost to Arkansas (Bowl)
Nebraska beat Penn State beat Michigan State (Bowl)
Oklahoma beat Alabama beat UCLA lost to Louisiana State (Bowl)
Oklahoma State lost to Mississippi (Bowl)
Texas lost to Arkansas lost to Washington State (Bowl)
Texas A&M lost to Virginia Tech lost to Pittsburgh
Texas Tech lost to N.C. State beat Mississippi

Big 10 17-11 (.607) vs. ooc BCS Teams
Illinois lost to Missouri lost to UCLA lost to California
Indiana lost to Washington lost to Kentucky
Iowa beat Iowa State beat Arizona State beat Florida (Bowl)
Michigan beat Notre Dame lost to Oregon lost to Southern California (Bowl)
Michigan State beat Rutgers beat Notre Dame lost to Nebraska (Bowl)
Minnesota beat Oregon (Bowl)
Northwestern beat Kansas beat Duke
Ohio State beat Washington beat N.C. State beat Kansas State
Penn State beat Temple lost to Boston College lost to Nebraska
Purdue beat Wake Forest beat Arizona beat Notre Dame lost to Georgia (Bowl)
Wisconsin beat West Virginia beat North Carolina lost to Auburn (Bowl)

Big East 9-11 (.450) vs. ooc BCS Teams
Boston College lost to Wake Forest beat Penn State beat Notre Dame
Miami beat Florida beat Florida State lost to Tennessee beat Florida State (Bowl)
Pittsburgh beat Texas A&M lost to Notre Dame lost to Virginia (Bowl)
Rutgers lost to Michigan State
Syracuse beat North Carolina beat Notre Dame
Temple lost to Penn State
Virginia Tech beat Texas A&M lost to Virginia lost to California (Bowl)
West Virginia lost to Wisconsin lost to Maryland lost to Maryland (Bowl)

SEC 13-11 (.542) vs. ooc BCS Teams
Alabama lost to Oklahoma
Arkansas beat Texas beat Missouri (Bowl)
Auburn lost to Southern California lost to Georgia Tech beat Wisconsin (Bowl)
Florida lost to Miami lost to Florida State lost to Iowa (Bowl)
Georgia beat Clemson beat Georgia Tech beat Purdue (Bowl)
Kentucky beat Indiana
Louisiana State beat Arizona beat Oklahoma (Bowl)
Mississippi lost to Texas Tech beat Oklahoma State (Bowl)
Mississippi State lost to Oregon
South Carolina beat Virginia lost to Clemson
Tennessee beat Miami beat Duke lost to Clemson (Bowl)
Vanderbilt lost to Georgia Tech

ACC 14-12 (.538) vs. ooc BCS Teams
Clemson lost to Georgia beat South Carolina beat Tennessee (Bowl)
Duke lost to Northwestern lost to Tennessee
Florida State beat Colorado lost to Miami beat Notre Dame beat Florida lost to Miami (Bowl)
Georgia Tech beat Auburn beat Vanderbilt lost to Georgia
Maryland beat West Virginia beat West Virginia (Bowl)
North Carolina lost to Syracuse lost to Wisconsin lost to Arizona State
North Carolina State lost to Ohio State beat Texas Tech beat Kansas (Bowl)
Virginia lost to South Carolina beat Virginia Tech beat Pittsburgh
Wake Forest beat Boston College lost to Purdue

Independents 7-17 (.292) vs. BCS Teams
Connecticut beat Indiana lost to Boston College lost to Virginia Tech lost to N.C. State beat Rutgers beat Wake Forest
Navy lost to Rutgers beat Vanderbilt lost to Notre Dame lost to Texas Tech (Bowl)
Notre Dame beat Washington State lost to Michigan lost to Michigan State lost to Purdue beat Pittsburgh lost to Southern California
lost to Boston College lost to Florida State beat Stanford lost to Syracuse
Troy State lost to Kansas State lost to Minnesota lost to Nebraska lost to Virginia


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Conference Records vs. BCS Bowl Teams:

Sun Belt: 0-16 (.000)
MAC: 6-16 (.273)
WAC: 3-14 (.176)
CUSA: 2-7 (.222)
MWC: 6-10 (.375)
Independents: 2-14 (.125)
Pac 10: 5-7 (.417)
Big 12: 5-14 (.263)
Big 10: 6-10 (.375)
SEC: 10-11 (.476)
Big East: 3-8 (.273)
ACC: 10-9 (.526)


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Nice work M-IV! ;D ;D ;D

The most obvious trend that leaps out to me is how this shows which conferences have relative parity and which are top heavy with power and then a bunch of losers.

Pac-10, Big Ten, SEC, ACC (who da thunk?) show parody.
Big East, MWC, C-USA look to have some parody.
Big XII, WAC, MAC have serious power vs. loser issues.
SunBelt just sucks.

Is there any way to determine sos for each conference's ooc schedule regardless of record?

Again, thanks for the work Mephisto. :)


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Excellent work, M IV!

- Big 12: 8-14 (.364) vs. ooc BCS Teams! (last among BCS conferences)

- Big 12: 5-14 (.263) vs. BCS bowl teams! (last among BCS conferences)

- 9 member ACC played 4 more ooc games against BCS schools than 12 member Big 12.

Don't get me wrong, on an average year I'll assume the Big 12 is always tougher than the ACC, but these stats for 2003 caught my eye.


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BCS Conference Records vs. Non-BCS Division I-A

ACC: 9-3 (.750)
Big East: 17-6 (.739)
Big 10: 15-5 (.750)
Big 12: 24-4 (.857)
SEC: 19-8 (.704)
Pac 10: 14-7 (.667)

Some notes:

-The SEC played Conference USA to a standstill at 5-5. However, four of CUSA's wins came against SEC cellar dwellers Mississippi State (twice), Kentucky, and Vanderbilt. Memphis did snag a great win over Mississippi, but managed to lose to Mississippi State.

-The Pac 10 went 9-6 combined against regional opponents from the WAC and Mountain West. Three of the WAC's four wins against BCS competition came against the Pac 10, with Fresno State notching wins over Pac 10 bowl teams Oregon State and UCLA.

-The Big 12, most frequent customers of the non-BCS conference, went an impressive 13-1 against the three most prominent non-BCS conferences (WAC, CUSA, MWC), with the only loss by Baylor, who were also the only BCS conference victim of the Sun Belt.

-The SEC rung up an 8-0 record against the Sun Belt, which should be no surprise.

-The Big East went 3-4 against CUSA. Oddly enough, all four losses were to future Big East members Cincinnati and Louisville. However, two of those four games involved Temple, which of course exits the Big East after next season. Furthermore, Connecticut also grabbed a win against future Big East foe Rutgers.

-Miami-Ohio, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois, Marshall, and Toledo, the tops in the MAC, went a combined 8-4 against BCS competition, accounting for all of the MAC's BCS-competition wins. The rest of the conference went 0-18.


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Great job MIV!

I think you definitely made my point about the MAC.

The ACC has in recent years played a higher % of their ooc games against BCS conferences. So their overall record is better than it normally appears. Perhaps since they don't have a non-BCS conference in their geographic footprint, they play a lot of teams from the other members of the Big 6. Until the rule about 6 I-A wins came into play, they used to schedule a lot of Southern conference schools. Unfortunately for them, the Southern conference dropped to I-AA in the early 80s while the MAC, who had a bowl matchup with the Southern for a while in what is now the Citrus Bowl, stayed in I-A.


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Gumby, if we all do a conference or two, we can calculate it. Using MIV's data as a starting point:

Big 12 opponents records:
BCS 176-110 61.5%
non 153-191 44.4% (3 games against 0-12 SMU)
total 329-301 52.2%


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