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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:01 pm 
If TCU is invited and accepts to go to the MWC (no sure thing), at least two possible choices appear for C-USA as a replacement:
(a) La Tech may indeed want to move from the WAC to C-USA due to its long distance from other WAC schools. It is a good geographic fit for the re-structured C-USA.
(b) Temple will be out there and needs an "all sports" home. It has competitive basketball, and its football has the potential to improve.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:24 pm 
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=1703456


According to Admin sources Tulane, Marshall, Memphis, and UCF are behind us and not LT.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 8:06 am 
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Excellent post, OwlAlum. Thanks for the article. Nice to hear from you. :)


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:01 am 
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For your consideration, if you dare...

1) Put the brakes on CUSA expansion for now:

http://www.killerfrogs.com/cusa/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=10602&s=f2ad996341445d3f4b233f3084a0ccd8

2) Imagining a more perfect expansion -- the legitimacy of a conference merger:
http://pub134.ezboard.com/fmarshallsportsrapfrm16.showMessage?topicID=66.topic


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 9:50 am 

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They have fought tooth and nail to keep UL out of the Metro/Conference USA for 20 years, so I would suspect that it would be no different for another in-state school. >:(

LOL

Somebody done me something- the "chip on the shoulder" disease at ULL is endless.


For Tulane to keep you out, a super majority of schools must have wanted you in. Please list the names of schools that WANTED ULL in the metro, which required Tulane to use its veto power. Louisiville, Cincinnati, Memphis? Going back further, S Carolina, Florida State, Geogia Tech? ULL had NOTHING in common with most metro schools. ULL has everything in common with schools in its current league.

Tulane has no problem with La Tech in c-usa and won't try to keep them out. If Temple has applied, they might support them over Tech (academics, east coast which is where a lot of tulane alums reside).



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 8:31 am 
Hey JD. What about in a few years, when UL does apply for CUSA membership? Will Tulane fight it?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 2:56 pm 
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Hey JD. What about in a few years, when UL does apply for CUSA membership? Will Tulane fight it?


Probably so. I asked the Sports Editor of the local newspaper about 15-20 years ago about getting into the Metro and he said Tulane wanted to keep us out. A few years later our head football coach echoed the same thing. Our AD in the mid-80s said that he was friends with the Metro commissioner and was told nobody tried harder than UL to get in. Tulane insisted that all football games be played between us in New Orleans and only agreed to a 3 for 2 when CUSA was formed and needed our help in rescheduling games.

As far as which teams stand where with regard to our joining, all I know is that Southern Miss would support us and Tulane would not. The Memphis president told our president when our name was USL, "Doc, I just can't sell 'Southwestern Louisiana.'" Now that the name is changed, I don't know what Memphis would do.

So yeah, I'm pretty confident that Tulane would oppose our membership in CUSA.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 12:57 pm 
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from http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/stewart_mandel/01/28/mandel.insider/index.html

According to The Commercial Appeal of Memphis, Conference USA will waive the customary exit fees for Louisville, Cincinnati and South Florida when they leave for the Big East in 2005 in exchange for agreeing to play one football and two basketball games a year against C-USA schools through 2010. The league is also relocating its offices from Chicago to Dallas, where commissioner Britton Bankowsky has remained since leaving the Big 12 two years ago.

(Can't find the source article on the CA website)
(No surprise of the office move, though)

Dallas article on the office move:

CONFERENCE USA

C-USA offices moving to Dallas area
Conference USA will move its offices from Chicago to a location near D/FW Airport in July commissioner Britton Banowsky said.

The move was prompted by the recent realignment involving several schools, such as SMU, Rice and Tulsa. Banowsky said the North Texas Commission is helping the conference set up a relocation plan.

During a meeting of the realigned conference athletic directors, Banowsky said a two-division setup was given clear support for football and there were preliminary discussions about a conference championship game for football. Banowsky said a final decision on a conference championship game is nearly a month away from happening.

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/spt/colleges/notebook/stories/012904dnspocolbriefs.9036e.html


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 5:34 pm 
So TCU has moved to the MWC, now it is C-USA's turn to pick another: La Tech :)? Temple :D? UTEP ::)? Miami of Ohio ;D? .........


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 8:21 pm 

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Hey JD. What about in a few years, when UL does apply for CUSA membership? Will Tulane fight it?


Probably not- it wouldn't be good politics, residing in La and all, particularly with a ULL governor.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 8:28 pm 

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Probably so. I asked the Sports Editor of the local newspaper about 15-20 years ago about getting into the Metro and he said Tulane wanted to keep us out. A few years later our head football coach echoed the same thing. Our AD in the mid-80s said that he was friends with the Metro commissioner and was told nobody tried harder than UL to get in. Tulane insisted that all football games be played between us in New Orleans and only agreed to a 3 for 2 when CUSA was formed and needed our help in rescheduling games.

As far as which teams stand where with regard to our joining, all I know is that Southern Miss would support us and Tulane would not. The Memphis president told our president when our name was USL, "Doc, I just can't sell 'Southwestern Louisiana.'" Now that the name is changed, I don't know what Memphis would do.

So yeah, I'm pretty confident that Tulane would oppose our membership in CUSA.


YOu ULL fans still refuse to name the majority of schools that wanted you in the metro that required Tulane to use its veto power.
And you can't because there isn't one. It's easy to lay blame and create alibis-you guys have been doing that since forever. It's Tulane or the name or LSU or whatever.

And further, is there a reason Tulane SHOULD support you? All ULL does is snipe at them every day -your boards are infatuated with them that somehow tulane is the reason for whatever state ULL is in that they are displeased with.
I don't want to play ULL because it's no fun to play programs that dislike you- so screw them-they can make their own friends and start their own league.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:57 am 
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I don't know who supported and didn't support us in the past. Tulane didn't.

For many years I liked Tulane very much because they would play us in football.

What Cajun fans have been unhappy about over the years is the perception that you didn't like us and saw us as being beneath you. Then you wouldn't return the football dates in Lafayette. Then Perry Clark wouldn't play us in basketball at all. I assume the current coach has the same philosophy. And now your baseball coach doesn't want to come to Lafayette any more.

Your AD was the AD at Washington State and he stiffed us for a couple of return trips in football, so if you don't want a relationship with the Cajuns I'd say chances are good you'll get your wish.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:42 pm 
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From the New Orleans Times-Picayune
OPTIMISM STILL REIGNS IN C-USA

Departures, arrivals have league in flux
Monday February 09, 2004
By Ted Lewis, Staff writer

Depending on who's talking, Conference USA's glass is half full or half empty.

But one thing's for sure -- the league lineup in 2005 will be radically different than 2004.

The defection of Texas Christian to the Mountain West Conference brings to eight the number of C-USA schools moving to other conferences at the end of the next school year -- nine counting football-only member Army, which is opting to become an independent.

That leaves six holdovers, including Tulane.

And while five new members are on board for 2005, there is no consensus on what the league should do about adding more.

"We had a good plan from the time all of this started, and until this past week it has been executed to a T," said Tulane athletic director Rick thingyson. "So, TCU's leaving is somewhat disappointing because otherwise we're 11/12ths of the way there.

"Now we've got to step back and make sure we're not burying our heads so deep we can't see the possibilities. To me there are a lot of scenarios out there."

The plan was for C-USA to be a 12-school league with all members playing football, a change from the mixed-bag lineup of schools, some playing football, some not, since C-USA's debut in 1996.

The all-football scenario still is preferred, but it's not a certainty. And at the least, no decision is expected for 45-60 days.

"We might be better off staying at 11," said Memphis athletic director R.C. Johnson, who also has said strengthening basketball is his top priority. "We at least need to let the dust settle a little bit before making any decisions. It's not a question of expanding or not expanding. It's who it is."

That's the problem.

While incoming members Southern Methodist, Rice, Central Florida, Marshall and Tulsa all brought a variety of solid assets to the league -- market size, location, a history of success in football and/or basketball -- the list of replacement candidates is not nearly as strong.

Louisiana Tech, isolated from the rest of the Western Athletic Conference by the moves of SMU, Rice and Tulsa, is the only school publicly lobbying for membership, citing its location, the strength of its football program, which shared the WAC title in 2001, an improving men's basketball program and its nationally ranked women's basketball team.

"We think we're a good match," said Louisiana Tech athletic director Jim Oakes. "We have quality programs, we fit into the footprint of the conference, and as an academic institution we're probably stronger than we have ever been."

But thus far the Ruston school has drawn no endorsements from any of the current or future members.

Temple, which is losing its football-only membership in the Big East after 2004, also has been prominently mentioned, but the school's location (Philadelphia) goes against the grain of the league remaining solely in the South. And while the Owls' football program is in need of a conference home, there would be a reluctance to leave the Atlantic 10 in which Temple competes in all other sports.

"I think we're in a great league now," Temple basketball coach John Chaney said. "I'm not interested in Conference USA at all."

But Temple athletic director Brad Bradshaw is slightly more open-minded.

"We are seeking solutions to our football dilemma," he said. "But we're also very committed to the Atlantic 10."

thingyson suggested that the most feasible way to add Temple would to be to expand to 14 teams, most likely inviting Miami of Ohio and Toledo from the Mid-America Conference. That would add three Eastern time zone members to go along with East Carolina, Marshall and Central Florida.

But officials at Miami of Ohio and Toledo have expressed little interest in deserting a league they have been a part of for more than 50 years.

"Having 14 schools isn't as neat and tidy as having 12," thingyson said. "But it's worth considering."

North Texas also has drawn mention, with its location in the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex and its run of three consecutive Sun Belt Conference football titles. But like Louisiana Tech, North Texas has no public champions yet.

Texas-El Paso is another potential candidate, but its remoteness works against it.

"It's obviously pretty important to finalize our membership," C-USA commissioner Britton Banowsky said. "We are moving with all deliberate speed, but we don't feel like we have to make a decision tomorrow.

"We have to balance geography, plus the quality of the institution from the academic and athletic standpoint and the amount of interest in their major revenue programs. Then you ascertain which institution brings the most to the table."

After the new member or members are identified, C-USA has several other items to address in the coming year.

Among them:

-- A football championship game. Having 12 schools would allow C-USA to stage a football championship game, but it is not a certainty when, or even if, there will be one.

The $1.5 million offer from ESPN to televise a game expires after this year, and there is uncertainty if it is financially viable to stage a game, even if it is played on home sites rather than a neutral one. A possible short turnaround for the loser of the game to play in a pre-Christmas bowl, such as the New Orleans Bowl, is another consideration.

"There's certainly a showcase value to having a championship game," Banowsky said. "But we have to analyze the cost benefit."

-- TV contracts. One of the reported chief reasons behind TCU's move to the Mountain West was that C-USA's eight-year, $80 million contract with ESPN will be renegotiated after the loss of flagship basketball programs Louisville, Cincinnati and Marquette.

"Right now, everything is speculation," Banowsky said. "I know we've lost some quality basketball programs, but we feel that we've added quality programs as well. Our contract will be restructured, but whether or not it goes down, it's too early to say."

-- Bowl tie-ins. One of C-USA's strengths has been five football bowl tie-ins, more than any other non-BCS league. But the Fort Worth Bowl seems likely to follow TCU's lead and align with the Mountain West, and the GMAC Bowl was unhappy with TCU's virtual refusal this season to accept a bid to the game in Mobile, Ala., straining relationships with the league.

Banowsky has said that the bowl assignment structure would be better-defined, but maintaining more than four bowl tie-ins appears unlikely.

-- Football divisions and schedules. Until TCU left, the divisional setup was pretty clear-cut -- Tulane, Houston, SMU, Rice, Tulsa and TCU in the West, and Central Florida, UAB, Southern Mississippi, Memphis, Marshall and East Carolina in the East. Now the lineup will depend on which school is added.

Once that is done, the league must decide if there will be permanent inter-division foes, such as the Southeastern Conference has, or will rotate non-division opponents, as the Big 12 does.

-- Basketball divisions and schedules. While basketball divisions would be primarily for scheduling purposes as well as seeding for the conference tournament, the league must determine the number of conference games to be played.

-- Basketball tournament. The 2005 tournament has yet to be awarded, although Memphis has a $1 million bid on the table. While the Tigers are now the league's flagship basketball program, there would be little desire on either side to play the tournament there every year. The problem would be finding another city willing to offer similar financial guarantees.

-- Automatic berth in basketball. The league will actually fail to meet the NCAA's continuity of membership rule (at least six members for five years) in 2005, and will need to receive a waiver to be assured of a spot in the NCAA Tournament.

-- Conference headquarters. This one already has been settled. The league is relocating from Chicago to Dallas, Banowsky's home, this summer. But the move already has caused turnover in the conference office.

Athletic directors from the holdover and incoming schools agree that unless the Big East decides to expand beyond the eight-team football lineup it will have starting in 2005, there will be no more changes that affect C-USA realignment in the near future.

Such stability will be welcomed.

"My sense is that we have 11 schools that are very much committed to making this work," Banowsky said. "It's remarkable to see the enthusiasm around the table we have already."

One major factor that will make the new C-USA compatible, Banowsky said, is that the schools will be much closer in their athletic budgets than before, especially after Louisville's departure.

"Top to bottom, we're going to be very competitive in all sports," he said. "That's important when you feel that you can't compete simply because you're being outspent."

And while some schools, particularly Memphis and East Carolina, were spurned in their bids to join the Big East, there does seem to be a developing sense of unity, even if there is disagreement on the direction of expansion.

"This is not the burial of Conference USA," Houston athletic director Dave Maggard said. "We survived losing some schools last fall, and we'll survive losing TCU.

"If for nothing less than self-preservation, we're going to work hard to make this a better conference than it was before."


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:48 pm 
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From Shreveport Times
SCOTT FERRELL: Crucial decision looms for Tech, league
Scott Ferrell / The Times
Posted on February 9, 2004
Louisiana Tech's honeymoon with the Western Athletic Conference didn't last long.


http://www.shreveporttimes.com/html/E9011B26-9221-41C2-B8D7-8CEF744EAB17.shtml


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:37 pm 

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I don't know who supported and didn't support us in the past. Tulane didn't.

For many years I liked Tulane very much because they would play us in football.

What Cajun fans have been unhappy about over the years is the perception that you didn't like us and saw us as being beneath you. Then you wouldn't return the football dates in Lafayette. Then Perry Clark wouldn't play us in basketball at all. I assume the current coach has the same philosophy. And now your baseball coach doesn't want to come to Lafayette any more.

Your AD was the AD at Washington State and he stiffed us for a couple of return trips in football, so if you don't want a relationship with the Cajuns I'd say chances are good you'll get your wish.


I agree-Tulane didn't support you-that's a far cry from you'd be in but for Tulane. But again, what has ULL done such that Tulane SHOULD support them?

Support is one thing-but Cowen will veto neither Tech nor ULL nor ULM---bad politics. But all that means is ULL has to find 7 or so teams that wants them in.


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