Should Buffalo leave the MAC?

finitemanworks · **Joined:** Sun Nov 16, 2003 3:33 pm **Posts:** 116

Ooops! I keep calling UL-Monoe "ULR" for some crazy reason. Sorry for any confusion. I mean "ULM"

David Krysakowski · **Posted:** Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:57 am

Yes. Join the Big East.

tigersharktwo · **Joined:** Fri Nov 15, 2002 12:21 pm **Posts:** 1916

Yes just the BE needs the bottom team in the MAC.

jlog3000 · **Posted:** Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:27 am

Buffalo (I call "SUNY-Buffalo") should definitely join the Big East.

sportskc · **Joined:** Sun Nov 09, 2003 11:18 pm **Posts:** 758

Wow I agree with TS2 on something.

tigersharktwo · **Joined:** Fri Nov 15, 2002 12:21 pm **Posts:** 1916

How refreshing.

berhc · **Posted:** Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:14 am

U. Buffalo should stay in the MAC. They need time to grow and Temple will need someone to beat as they gradually enter into the MAC. Which division of the conference will Temple be in? Can these two teams eventually meet in the MAC championship game or will they have to eliminate each other head to head to get to the championship game eventually. :o :o ::) ::).

joefather · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:44 pm **Posts:** 56

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This is nonsense! Penn State does not have an attendance problem. They draw right behind Michigan and would probably draw more if Beaver Stadium was even larger....

I can see where you would have thought I meant they "would have an attendance problems like Penn St.", but that is not what I meant.

Penn St. dominated their region---the Northeast. They were the undisputed #1 recruiter in the NE. They joined the Big 10 and lost stature in the Northeast. They do not recruit like they used to in the Northeast and as such they have not been similarly competitive in the Big 10.

Their attendance wasn't hurt by a move to the Big 10, but only because they used to be one of the nationally knowns regional giants for decades.

Buffalo doesn't have that. For Buffalo to have any success in the MAC they have to recruit well. Being outside of their conference's footprint, they will not be able to pull the MAC recruits like their competition. So from a competitive standpoint they are in the same boat as Penn St....and now BC and TCU.

I don't think the Buffalo in the MAC situation is comparable to BC, TCU or even Penn State.

Buffalo is not that much of a geographic outlier in the MAC. The school is only 3-4 hours from Cleveland and the MAC conference tourney. Mostly this thead has been talking about the football impact of Buffalo in the MAC, but for basketball joining the MAC has been a complete boon.

Attendance has quadrupled in the MAC in hoops as Buffalo is establishing itself as the Division 1 basketball option for the city. Football attendance is now up with the hiring of Turner Gill from Nebraska. The problem is football has never been very good in Buffalo at any level they've played. All the good western NY football players end up at Syracuse, not enough talent to sustain two strong teams from that region.

I don't think playing independent is the way to go for any school not named Notre Dame.

finiteman · **Posted:** Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:40 pm

Again, I will disagree. As an Indy, buffalo has almost no shot at a BCS bowl, that is true, but how is that different from their lot in the MAC.

I can concede that the MAC works for them in every other sport but football, but in football, it kills them.

Buffalo need a front heavy schedule in football. They have to have the majority of their home games early and it would be in the best interest of the school if those game were against bigger name NEastern schools.

to hit 15K attendance and stay IA long term they need a schedule that goes like this: (To me this would be reasonable for Buffalo to acheive)

1 home 30K OOC
2 home 30K OOC
3 home 30K OOC
snow starts, pro bills get interesting
4 away
5 Home 8K MAC
6 Home 7K MAC
7 away
8 away
9 away
10 home 5K MAC
11 away
12 away

something like that EVERY year. If membership in the MAC could deliver that, then by all means stay in the MAC, if not, an independent schedule would.

There is a lot to suggest that buffalo doesn't travel or draw very well in the MAC either, so in that regard, their games might very well HURT the MAC until Buffalo gets a reasonable (on feild) football rep.

pf9 · **Joined:** Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:36 am **Posts:** 185

Buffalo looks like they are starting to get better in football. Of course, Buffalo could stay in the MAC for football only, instead of the other way around. All other sports could move to the America East Conference to play against the other University Centers in the SUNY system.

rferry · **Joined:** Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:04 pm **Posts:** 42

Could Buffalo get 30K in September? They only drew 23 for Baylor this year. Their all-time record isn't even 30K - just 205 fans shy.

Buffalo's a tough situation to be in, but if you look at, the MAC gives them their best shot to stay in D1A, due to the conference protection, and improve to the point of one day joining a league with Syracuse, Rutgers and UConn. They'd just be spinning the wheels and dealing with an even worse logistical nightmare as an independent. The MAC is a mid-tier league that exposes them to many fans across the country. Forging ties to the rest of NY is not truly necessary as they're already an established major state school. Besides the potential eastern opponents aren't necessarily any closer or significantly more attractive as the MAC.

pf9 · **Joined:** Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:36 am **Posts:** 185

pf9 wrote:

Buffalo looks like they are starting to get better in football. Of course, Buffalo could stay in the MAC for football only, instead of the other way around. All other sports could move to the America East Conference to play against the other University Centers in the SUNY system.

Update: to back up my earlier post, Buffalo has continued their uprising, at this moment they are 8-5, and won the MAC championship for the first time ever - upsetting the previously unbeaten Ball State. I think Buffalo has what it takes to be a football-only member in the MAC now. I still think the other sports can move to the AEC.

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3814

They have a long way to go. We've seen in sports like basketball where schools like UMass were at the top of the world, sold out crowds, but when the program struggled, they took a huge step backwards. Buffalo needs many years of success in order to break the mold and become a real option for the upstate community.

That said, I think that despite the competitive nature of college sports business, that schools like Buffalo, UMass, etc...schools in the Big East footprint...have fans in the the Big East offices. Should the Big East need to expand you know they would love to have a top tier program in their region to be able to add. As it is now, they don't...which is why we hear schools like Memphis and ECU mentioned.

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3814

Consistency for a program is key. You don't see the Pac-10 inviting Boise St despite their recent success. If a decade+ goes bye and they are on the same page in attendance, academics and performance, then yes, you will see invites.

pounder · **Posted:** Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:00 pm

davids wrote:

Did not Buffalo almost beat Pittsburgh?

To pile on to what Quinn said...

...Boise State can pull a rabbit out of a hat in a Fiesta Bowl, and catch Oregon under the face mask (literally), but they also have to be better than 1-3 (losses to Boston College, East Carolina and TCU) in the last four bowl games. They have to actually expand the state population of Idaho five-fold.

The regionalization proposal makes sense for the smaller and less ambitious schools, but BCS conferences are not charities. They aren't going to bail out ANY school, and no amount of support you might get here will change that. Wait 'til you see how greedy they are amongst themselves.

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