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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:17 pm 
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I think too many deserving schools in the non-BCS and lower IAAA ranks miss out each year. I am offended that a school can go 28-4 and miss the tourney because they get knocked out in their conference tourney.

I heard a sports talk guy credit Jay Bilas with the idea of stripping all automatic berths. I think that would ultimately be a negative. I think small conferences would really get that shaft then.

I think I would push for a package of reforms.

1) All teams in the power conferences (Pac 10, SEC, Big 12, Big East, A10, and Big 10) would be capped at playing no more than 4 games against teams from other power conferences out of conference. This would reduce most power conference teams' ability their ability to run up huge RPI advantages. The teams that would try to game the system by playing good teams from lesser conferences would only strengthen the RPI of bubble teams from those conferences.
2) All conference tourneys and conference play must conclude by the first weekend in March.
3) 96 teams will be selected for the tourney: 32 regular season champs; 32 tourney champs (or regular season runnerup if the reg champ wins the post-season tourney); and then 32 at large bids.
4) All 32 D1 conferences will get two auto bids, 1 for the regular season champ and 1 for the tourney winner (or the regular season runner up if the regular season champ wins the tourney). The remaining 32 bids (and any slots left unfilled by runnerups or tourney winners) will be awarded to at large teams (mostly big conference teams).
5) Any team taking the runner up slot must have at least 20 wins to qualify and must be at least 2 games over 500 in conference to qualify (so 9-7 or 10-8 in conference does not qualify for the second conference bid). If the second place team does not qualify, the conference can send the next highest place finisher who DOES fulfill the criteria. This will usually mean that the two best teams out of the smaller conferences make the field, unlike th current status quo where we regularly see a single dog team who got a lucky break in the conference tourney out of the small conferences. (If no teams fulfill the criteria, the conference gets a half share of the money for that bid, but the slot is then made an at large slot for that season.)
6) The At-Large bids would go to teams that fished above 500 in conference with over 20 wins total, with priority given to teams at least 2 games over 500 in conference. RPI would determine which teams one game over 500 in conference would get in, if needed. Total conferences bids would be limited to 40-45% of membership (ie. the 16 team BE would be capped at a MAXIUMUM of 7 teams, the 14 team Big 10 at 6, the 12 team SEC and the big 12 and 11 team Big 10 at 5, the 9 team MWC at 4, the 8 team WCC at 3.) Conferences would only be guaranteed that one team would defintely make it and if a second team met the criteria a second could make it.
7) The 64 lowest seeds must compete in a play-in round. They will play a single game to get into the field of 64 --- the tourney proper. Games will be spread out from Thursday to Sunday of the second weekend in March. The higher seed will host the game rather than creating the possibility of sending 4-8 small college teams to a remote site where they cannot fill a larger arena. This will additionally help squeeze teams that clearly can't hang out of the tourney.
8) The surviving 32 will have played their way into the actual 64 team bracket that fans can fill out in their office pool. The brackets would be released after the play in round.
9) All regular season champions who have won more than 2/3 of their total games would be seeded in the top 14 seeds in each region rewarding them for season long excellence by not feeding them to the top 8 teams while still allowing a lot of leeway for top play-in round survivors to take top seeds.
10) Every effort should be made to invite at least 14 teams local to the west region and 28 local to the west and midwest regions combined.

This proposal does a lot to try to gut the RPI argument that allows the power conferences to dominate the selection process. Flawed as it is, I have instead proposed using mostly wins vs. games played for general seeding purposes.

The RPI may be pretty good for seeding teams to avoid upsets, but it doesn't reward teams for winning most of the games on their schedule. The goal should be to reward teams that EARN a berth, not teams that have a lot of potential NBA talent but can't win.

The teams that are eliminated in the play in round ONLY would be eligible to play in the NIT or any other post season tourney.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:37 pm 
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I believe that any NCAA tournament (across any sport) must reserve at least half the spots for at-large teams, so 2 autobids per conference would not work. Maybe if they capped the number of teams that can go from one conference (like they do in the BCS) it might open up some spots for the little guys, although the big schools/conferences would throw a fit and probably have enough influence to stop it. Maybe if they improved the way they calculated RPI and other ranking systems, so that more weight was given to overall record, that might be a step forward.

By the way, which team went 28-4 and missed out? I was searching ESPN.com standings and couldn't figure out who it was.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:09 am 
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I just wrote a whole rant about this:

NCAA SELECTION: Only 4 Mid-Major At-Large Bids???

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Attention members of the AP Sports Media. Attention College Basketball Coaches. Are you lsitening? Great...NOW STAND UP FOR YOURSELVES AND YOUR PROFESSION!

The NCAA no longer has any control over college football, the BCS does. The NCAA controls the Division I Championship, but it went to Richmond in the "FCS". And we've seen the BCS push the "mid-majors" of the "FBS" out of the big money games. The same is happening in college basketball.

If you look at the at-large NCAA Basketball Tournament at-large teams chosen tonight by the selection committee, you'll see only a handful of schools from mid-major conferences:

#4 seed Xavier from the A10
#9 seed Butler from the Horizon
#8 seed BYU from the Mountain West
#11 seed Dayton from the A10

That's it. 4 teams total out of the total 65 schools were at-large selections from "mid-major" conferences.

How does this happen?

Because it's a selection committee running the show. A selection committee that is responsible for providing the teams for the product, as Rick Barnes would hint, the CBS owns...not the NCAA.

So this is why over the recent years, we've seen

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:54 pm 
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The mid-majors were slighted. Why Arizona over St. Mary's, for example? Forget the over-stated nonsense about one player.

Not only was politics involved in some at-large selections, but also in seeding. Did the selection committee chair, SEC Commissioner, M. Slive, have a beef with Mississippi State or did he just go over-board not to promote the SEC Tournament Champion? Granted, MSU, finishing #3 in the SEC West for the regular season, had 12 loses, their wins over quality teams were generally late; but #13? And they have to go to Portland, OR to play #4 placed Washington, regualr season PAC10 champion. I remember a few years back, where Mississippi State, ranked higher, was placed in State of Texas to play then, a lower ranked Texas. It would look appropriate, if some questionable placements were not higher. Even top conferences have their pecking order that becomes obvious at times.

I commend the Big East for their high placements, but Villanova gets their first two games in Philadelphia???

All this talk about Memphis not geting a #1 seed because of being in C-USA, is sent west as a #2. Memphis can't just pick another conference to play in unless invited.

Slive claiming they look at individual teams and not conferences is disingenuous in my view. Most of these mid-majors have considerable difficulty getting top conference teams to visit.

Why 65 teams? Just pick Big East and ACC teams, with one or two from the Big Ten thrown in, and deal with 16 only. Not really for that, but in reality, it's heavily arranged for them.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:52 am 
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sec03 wrote:
Just pick Big East and ACC teams, with one or two from the Big Ten thrown in, and deal with 16 only. Not really for that, but in reality, it's heavily arranged for them.


Not sure what you mean here SEC. The SEC and Big 12 have averaged pretty close to the same # of teams for the past 7 years (including this one) with an average of ~ 5.25 teams per year or ~ 45% of their membership. Each of the BCS conferences are pretty close to that % of their conference membership as well. In addition, as far as I can remember, all the 6 BCS conferences earned about the same amount of money from the tournament (in the form of NCAA tourney credits).


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:06 am 
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dafoeberezin3494 wrote:
By the way, which team went 28-4 and missed out? I was searching ESPN.com standings and couldn't figure out who it was.



Really I just threw that record out although I am sure something as aggregious has happened in the recent past. I had Utah State in mind. I know this year 30-4 Utah State was worried if they didn't win their tourney they wouldn't get in. That is ridiculous.

http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/weeklyrpi ... Brpi1.html

2009 NCAA Men's Basketball RPI
Through Games of: Sunday, March 15, 2009
Generated: Monday 03/16/09 04:03 PM

------- Division I Only --------
Rank Prev Rank Name Conf W-L Road Neut Home Non-Div I
1 1 Duke Atlantic Coast 28-6 6-5 6- 0 16-1 0-0
2 2 Pittsburgh Big East 28-4 7-3 2- 1 18-0 1-0
3 3 North Carolina Atlantic Coast 28-4 8-2 5- 1 14-1 1-0
4 4 Louisville Big East 28-5 8-1 4- 2 16-2 0-0
5 5 Oklahoma Big 12 27-5 8-3 3- 1 16-1 0-0
6 6 Michigan St. Big Ten 26-6 9-1 5- 3 12-2 0-0
7 7 Memphis Conference USA 31-3 10-1 2- 1 19-1 0-0
8 8 Connecticut Big East 27-4 9-1 4- 1 14-2 0-0
9 9 Utah Mountain West 24-9 6-7 5- 0 13-1 0-1
10 10 Missouri Big 12 28-6 5-4 5- 2 17-0 1-0
11 11 Kansas Big 12 25-7 6-4 1- 2 18-1 0-0
12 12 Syracuse Big East 26-9 5-5 5- 1 15-3 1-0
13 13 Villanova Big East 26-7 8-3 3- 2 15-2 0-0
14 14 Washington Pacific-10 25-8 6-4 1- 3 17-1 1-0
15 15 Florida St. Atlantic Coast 25-9 7-5 5- 1 13-3 0-0
16 16 Wake Forest Atlantic Coast 24-6 7-4 3- 1 14-1 0-0
17 17 Xavier Atlantic 10 25-7 7-4 4- 2 14-1 0-0
18 18 Siena Metro Atlantic 26-7 9-4 0- 3 17-0 0-0
19 19 Oklahoma St. Big 12 22-11 4-6 4- 3 14-2 0-0
20 20 Purdue Big Ten 25-9 5-5 5- 1 15-3 0-0
21 21 West Virginia Big East 23-11 7-5 5- 3 11-3 0-0
22 22 Illinois Big Ten 24-9 5-5 5- 1 14-3 0-0
23 23 Utah St. Western Athletic 30-4 11-3 2- 1 16-0 1-0
24 24 Butler Horizon 26-5 11-3 0- 0 14-2 1-0
25 25 Tennessee Southeastern 21-12 6-5 5- 2 10-5 0-0
26 26 Gonzaga West Coast 26-5 9-1 6- 2 10-2 1-0
27 27 Dayton Atlantic 10 26-7 5-6 3- 1 18-0 0-0
28 28 Clemson Atlantic Coast 23-8 7-4 3- 1 13-3 0-0
29 29 BYU Mountain West 25-7 9-3 2- 2 13-2 1-0
30 30 Temple Atlantic 10 22-11 9-8 4- 1 9-2 0-0
31 31 Arizona St. Pacific-10 24-9 6-4 5- 2 13-3 0-0
32 32 Ohio St. Big Ten 22-10 4-6 3- 1 15-3 0-0
33 33 UCLA Pacific-10 25-8 6-4 3- 2 16-2 0-0
34 34 San Diego St. Mountain West 23-9 6-5 3- 2 12-2 2-0
35 35 Marquette Big East 24-9 7-4 1- 3 16-2 0-0
36 36 Texas A&M Big 12 23-9 5-5 2- 2 15-2 1-0
37 37 LSU Southeastern 26-7 6-3 1- 2 19-2 0-0
38 38 Southern California Pacific-10 21-12 2-8 4- 2 15-2 0-0
39 39 California Pacific-10 22-10 6-6 0- 2 16-2 0-0
40 40 Creighton Missouri Valley 26-7 8-4 3- 1 15-2 0-0
41 41 Texas Big 12 22-11 4-6 5- 3 13-2 0-0
42 42 Minnesota Big Ten 22-10 4-6 2- 1 15-3 1-0
43 43 Western Ky. Sun Belt 24-8 7-7 4- 1 12-0 1-0
44 44 Michigan Big Ten 20-13 3-8 3- 2 13-3 1-0
45 45 Wisconsin Big Ten 19-12 4-7 2- 2 12-3 1-0
46 46 UAB Conference USA 22-11 7-7 2- 3 13-1 0-0
47 47 Illinois St. Missouri Valley 24-9 7-6 4- 1 13-2 0-0
48 48 St. Mary's (CA) West Coast 26-6 8-3 5- 2 11-1 2-0
49 49 Niagara Metro Atlantic 26-8 10-6 5- 0 11-2 0-0
50 50 VCU Colonial 24-9 7-6 4- 2 13-1 0-0
51 51 George Mason Colonial 22-10 6-9 2- 1 14-0 0-0
52 52 Cleveland St. Horizon 25-10 8-8 3- 0 11-2 3-0
53 53 Tulsa Conference USA 24-10 7-6 3- 1 13-3 1-0
54 54 Florida Southeastern 23-10 2-7 5- 2 16-1 0-0
55 55 Maryland Atlantic Coast 20-13 2-6 4- 3 14-4 0-0
56 56 Baylor Big 12 20-14 2-7 5- 2 12-5 1-0
57 57 Georgetown Big East 16-14 3-8 2- 1 11-5 0-0
58 58 South Carolina Southeastern 21-9 5-6 0- 1 16-2 0-0
59 59 UNI Missouri Valley 23-10 8-4 4- 2 10-4 1-0
60 60 Boston College Atlantic Coast 22-11 5-5 2- 2 15-4 0-0
61 61 Virginia Tech Atlantic Coast 18-14 5-6 4- 3 9-5 0-0
62 62 Arizona Pacific-10 19-13 2-9 3- 1 14-3 0-0
63 63 Mississippi St. Southeastern 23-12 5-4 5- 3 12-5 1-0
64 64 Auburn Southeastern 22-11 5-5 1- 3 15-3 1-0
65 65 Miami (FL) Atlantic Coast 18-12 4-6 2- 2 11-4 1-0
66 66 New Mexico Mountain West 21-11 6-6 0- 3 15-2 0-0
67 67 UNLV Mountain West 21-10 6-6 0- 0 15-4 0-0
68 68 Rhode Island Atlantic 10 22-10 9-5 1- 3 12-2 0-0
69 69 Davidson Southern 26-7 10-2 3- 2 12-3 1-0
70 70 Penn St. Big Ten 22-11 5-6 2- 2 15-3 0-0
71 71 Green Bay Horizon 22-10 7-7 2- 1 12-1 1-1
72 72 Providence Big East 19-13 4-6 2- 3 13-4 0-0
73 73 American Patriot 24-7 11-6 0- 0 13-1 0-0
74 74 Stephen F. Austin Southland 24-7 6-7 5- 0 9-0 4-0
75 75 Duquesne Atlantic 10 21-12 8-6 3- 1 10-5 0-0
76 76 Nebraska Big 12 18-12 4-7 0- 1 14-4 0-0
77 77 Notre Dame Big East 18-14 3-8 3- 3 11-3 1-0
78 78 Northwestern Big Ten 17-13 4-8 0- 1 13-4 0-0
79 79 Kentucky Southeastern 20-13 4-6 4- 1 12-6 0-0
80 80 Miami (OH) Mid-American 17-13 7-10 1- 1 9-2 0-0
81 81 Kansas St. Big 12 21-11 5-5 0- 3 15-3 1-0
82 82 Mississippi Southeastern 16-15 3-7 1- 4 12-4 0-0
83 83 Nevada Western Athletic 21-12 8-5 0- 0 12-7 1-0
84 84 Cincinnati Big East 18-14 4-7 1- 2 12-5 1-0
85 85 UTEP Conference USA 19-12 6-5 2- 3 11-4 0-0
86 86 Houston Conference USA 21-11 6-7 3- 1 12-3 0-0
87 87 North Dakota St. Summit 26-6 10-4 4- 1 10-1 2-0
88 88 Binghamton America East 23-8 9-6 2- 0 11-2 1-0
89 89 Northeastern Colonial 18-12 10-6 1- 1 7-5 0-0
89 89 Buffalo Mid-American 21-11 7-6 5- 1 9-4 0-0
91 91 UALR Sun Belt 23-8 11-3 1- 1 11-4 0-0
92 92 Washington St. Pacific-10 17-15 5-6 2- 2 10-7 0-0
93 93 Wright St. Horizon 20-13 5-9 4- 0 11-4 0-0
94 94 Fairfield Metro Atlantic 17-15 6-9 2- 2 9-4 0-0
95 95 Evansville Missouri Valley 17-13 2-9 0- 1 13-3 2-0
95 95 Vanderbilt Southeastern 19-12 3-7 3- 1 13-4 0-0
97 97 Vermont America East 23-8 9-4 2- 1 12-3 0-0
98 98 Bradley Missouri Valley 18-14 5-9 2- 2 10-3 1-0
99 99 Akron Mid-American 23-12 8-8 4- 1 10-3 1-0
100 100 Wyoming Mountain West 19-13 3-9 4- 1 10-3 2-0
101 101 Seton Hall Big East 17-15 4-7 3- 2 9-6 1-0
102 102 Col. of Charleston Southern 26-8 11-4 3- 0 11-4 1-0
103 103 Old Dominion Colonial 21-10 7-6 1- 1 13-3 0-0
104 104 Hofstra Colonial 21-11 8-6 3- 2 9-3 1-0
105 105 St. Joseph's Atlantic 10 17-15 7-6 2- 3 8-6 0-0
106 106 Stanford Pacific-10 18-13 4-8 1- 1 13-4 0-0
107 107 Weber St. Big Sky 21-9 9-4 2- 2 9-3 1-0
108 108 Alabama Southeastern 18-14 2-7 2- 2 12-5 2-0
109 109 Robert Morris Northeast 24-10 9-7 1- 1 14-2 0-0
110 110 Boise St. Western Athletic 19-12 6-8 0- 1 12-3 1-0
111 111 North Carolina St. Atlantic Coast 16-14 2-9 0- 1 14-4 0-0
112 112 La Salle Atlantic 10 18-13 6-4 1- 3 11-6 0-0
113 113 Portland St. Big Sky 23-9 7-7 3- 1 10-1 3-0
114 114 Virginia Atlantic Coast 10-18 1-9 0- 1 9-8 0-0
115 115 Cornell Ivy 21-9 5-8 3- 1 11-0 2-0
116 116 East Tenn. St. Atlantic Sun 23-10 8-6 3- 2 10-2 2-0
117 117 New Mexico St. Western Athletic 17-15 4-10 1- 1 12-4 0-0
118 118 Mt. St. Mary's Northeast 19-13 7-11 0- 0 12-2 0-0
119 119 Texas Tech Big 12 14-19 0-11 2- 2 11-6 1-0
120 120 Portland West Coast 19-12 5-9 2- 1 11-2 1-0
121 121 Iowa Big Ten 15-17 1-11 1- 2 13-4 0-0
122 122 Oakland Summit 22-12 7-9 4- 3 10-0 1-0
123 123 St. Louis Atlantic 10 18-14 2-9 2- 2 13-3 1-0
124 124 Belmont Atlantic Sun 19-12 7-8 1- 2 11-2 0-0
125 125 Rider Metro Atlantic 19-12 6-7 2- 1 11-4 0-0
126 126 North Texas Sun Belt 20-12 7-6 1- 2 11-4 1-0
127 127 Cal St. Northridge Big West 17-13 5-11 2- 0 9-2 1-0
128 128 VMI Big South 24-8 10-5 1- 0 9-3 4-0
129 129 Richmond Atlantic 10 18-15 7-7 2- 2 8-6 1-0
130 130 Morgan St. Mid-Eastern 23-11 10-7 4- 2 8-2 1-0
131 131 Troy Sun Belt 19-12 6-8 2- 2 10-2 1-0
132 132 Radford Big South 21-11 9-6 0- 0 9-5 3-0
133 133 Drexel Colonial 15-14 7-8 0- 1 8-5 0-0
134 134 Milwaukee Horizon 17-14 3-10 2- 1 10-3 2-0
135 135 Idaho Western Athletic 16-15 4-11 0- 1 11-3 1-0
136 136 A&M-Corpus Christi Southland 18-15 6-11 3- 1 6-3 3-0
137 137 Kent St. Mid-American 19-14 5-8 1- 3 12-3 1-0
138 138 James Madison Colonial 19-14 7-6 4- 4 8-4 0-0
139 139 Georgia Tech Atlantic Coast 12-19 2-10 1- 1 9-8 0-0
140 140 Tenn.-Martin OVC 22-9 9-5 1- 1 10-3 2-0
141 141 Morehead St. OVC 19-15 4-12 3- 2 10-1 2-0
142 142 Oral Roberts Summit 16-15 6-10 1- 3 8-2 1-0
143 143 Austin Peay OVC 19-13 9-6 1- 2 7-5 2-0
144 144 Jacksonville Atlantic Sun 18-13 8-7 0- 1 10-5 0-0
145 145 South Ala. Sun Belt 20-13 6-7 3- 1 10-5 1-0
146 146 Southern Ill. Missouri Valley 13-18 5-8 0- 4 7-6 1-0
147 147 Pacific Big West 19-12 7-7 2- 1 9-4 1-0
148 148 Murray St. OVC 19-12 6-6 1- 4 10-2 2-0
149 149 Arkansas Southeastern 14-16 1-9 1- 1 12-6 0-0
150 150 St. John's (NY) Big East 16-17 1-9 1- 0 14-8 0-0
151 151 Liberty Big South 22-11 6-8 2- 1 10-2 4-0
152 152 Massachusetts Atlantic 10 12-18 4-10 0- 1 7-7 1-0
153 153 Sam Houston St. Southland 18-12 7-7 0- 1 7-4 4-0
154 154 Oregon St. Pacific-10 13-17 4-9 0- 1 7-7 2-0
155 155 Southern Miss. Conference USA 15-17 1-9 5- 2 6-6 3-0
156 156 Long Beach St. Big West 15-15 6-9 0- 1 9-5 0-0
157 157 Bowling Green Mid-American 19-13 6-8 2- 1 9-4 2-0
158 158 Wichita St. Missouri Valley 16-16 1-10 2- 3 12-3 1-0
159 159 Nicholls St. Southland 20-11 7-6 2- 3 8-2 3-0
160 160 Manhattan Metro Atlantic 16-14 7-7 0- 2 9-5 0-0
161 161 Boston U. America East 17-13 8-6 0- 1 9-6 0-0
162 162 UMBC America East 15-17 5-12 2- 0 7-5 1-0
163 163 Drake Missouri Valley 17-15 4-6 1- 2 11-7 1-0
164 164 TCU Mountain West 14-17 3-10 1- 2 9-5 1-0
165 165 UCF Conference USA 17-14 3-8 1- 3 12-3 1-0
166 166 Ill.-Chicago Horizon 16-15 8-8 0- 1 7-6 1-0
167 167 Iowa St. Big 12 15-17 2-10 0- 1 12-6 1-0
168 168 Navy Patriot 19-11 7-7 0- 1 12-3 0-0
169 169 Holy Cross Patriot 18-14 6-10 0- 0 12-4 0-0
170 170 Middle Tenn. Sun Belt 18-14 6-7 2- 1 8-6 2-0
171 171 Marshall Conference USA 15-17 2-9 0- 5 10-3 3-0
172 172 Wofford Southern 16-14 7-9 1- 1 7-4 1-0
173 173 Eastern Ky. OVC 18-13 5-11 1- 0 10-1 2-1
174 174 Chattanooga Southern 18-16 5-10 0- 3 11-3 2-0
175 175 Citadel Southern 20-12 9-5 1- 2 8-5 2-0
176 176 Louisiana Tech Western Athletic 15-18 5-11 2- 1 8-4 0-2
177 177 UC Santa Barbara Big West 16-15 3-10 3- 1 9-4 1-0
178 178 Albany (NY) America East 15-16 5-12 0- 0 10-4 0-0
179 179 Alabama St. Southwestern 22-9 8-7 4- 1 8-1 2-0
180 180 Oregon Pacific-10 8-23 1-10 1- 4 6-9 0-0
181 181 Jackson St. Southwestern 18-15 6-13 3- 2 9-0 0-0
182 182 Mercer Atlantic Sun 17-15 7-10 2- 1 7-4 1-0
183 183 Sacred Heart Northeast 17-14 7-10 0- 0 10-4 0-0
184 184 Ohio Mid-American 15-17 2-13 2- 2 11-2 0-0
185 185 UTSA Southland 19-13 6-9 2- 1 8-3 3-0
186 186 Montana Big Sky 17-12 5-9 0- 0 10-3 2-0
187 187 Texas-Arlington Southland 16-14 7-10 0- 2 6-2 3-0
188 188 Tulane Conference USA 14-17 2-11 2- 1 9-5 1-0
189 189 Western Caro. Southern 16-15 3-11 2- 2 9-2 2-0
190 190 South Fla. Big East 9-22 1-11 1- 4 7-7 0-0
191 191 San Jose St. Western Athletic 13-17 5-10 0- 0 6-7 2-0
192 192 Georgia Southeastern 12-20 1-9 1- 3 10-8 0-0
193 193 St. Bonaventure Atlantic 10 15-15 7-7 0- 2 8-6 0-0
194 194 San Diego West Coast 16-16 4-7 3- 3 7-6 2-0
195 195 Loyola (MD) Metro Atlantic 12-20 6-10 1- 2 5-8 0-0
196 196 Rutgers Big East 11-21 3-10 0- 1 8-10 0-0
197 197 Stony Brook America East 16-14 9-6 0- 1 6-7 1-0
198 198 Santa Clara West Coast 16-17 4-10 1- 4 9-3 2-0
199 199 Cal St. Fullerton Big West 15-17 7-7 2- 4 5-6 1-0
200 200 UNC Asheville Big South 15-16 4-13 0- 0 8-3 3-0
201 201 New Hampshire America East 14-16 5-10 1- 1 7-5 1-0
202 202 George Washington Atlantic 10 10-18 3-10 0- 3 7-5 0-0
203 203 Canisius Metro Atlantic 11-20 5-12 1- 0 5-8 0-0
204 204 Indiana St. Missouri Valley 11-21 4-10 2- 2 4-9 1-0
205 205 DePaul Big East 9-24 1-11 2- 3 6-10 0-0
206 206 UC Riverside Big West 17-13 6-10 0- 1 10-2 1-0
207 207 Idaho St. Big Sky 13-19 2-14 0- 1 10-4 1-0
208 208 Lamar Southland 15-15 5-9 1- 1 5-5 4-0
209 209 Charlotte Atlantic 10 11-20 2-10 0- 4 9-6 0-0
210 210 Montana St. Big Sky 14-17 7-11 0- 1 6-5 1-0
211 211 Missouri St. Missouri Valley 11-20 2-11 0- 1 9-8 0-0
212 212 Colorado St. Mountain West 9-22 2-11 1- 2 6-8 0-1
213 213 Iona Metro Atlantic 12-19 5-10 2- 3 5-6 0-0
214 214 Loyola (IL) Horizon 14-18 5-9 1- 1 7-7 1-1
215 215 Presbyterian Division I Independents 12-17 3-14 0- 1 9-2 0-0
216 216 Indiana Big Ten 6-25 0-11 0- 4 5-10 1-0
217 217 FIU Sun Belt 13-20 3-12 0- 1 9-6 1-1
218 218 Gardner-Webb Big South 13-17 6-12 0- 0 4-5 3-0
219 219 Towson Colonial 12-22 4-11 2- 3 6-8 0-0
220 220 Coppin St. Mid-Eastern 13-19 4-14 2- 3 6-2 1-0
221 221 Rice Conference USA 10-22 2-11 3- 1 5-10 0-0
222 222 Fresno St. Western Athletic 13-21 3-10 1- 3 8-8 1-0
223 223 East Carolina Conference USA 13-17 3-10 0- 1 7-6 3-0
224 224 Stetson Atlantic Sun 13-17 3-12 0- 1 8-4 2-0
225 225 Delaware Colonial 13-19 3-11 2- 1 8-7 0-0
226 226 Denver Sun Belt 15-16 2-12 1- 1 12-3 0-0
227 227 Samford Southern 16-16 4-12 2- 0 8-4 2-0
228 228 IPFW Summit 13-17 5-11 0- 1 7-5 1-0
229 229 Central Conn. St. Northeast 13-17 5-12 0- 0 8-5 0-0
230 230 Yale Ivy 13-15 5-12 0- 0 7-3 1-0
231 231 Eastern Wash. Big Sky 12-18 3-13 0- 0 8-4 1-1
232 232 Quinnipiac Northeast 15-16 9-7 0- 2 6-7 0-0
233 233 Georgia St. Colonial 12-20 4-10 1- 2 5-8 2-0
234 234 Chicago St. Division I Independents 19-13 6-9 2- 1 9-3 2-0
235 235 Colorado Big 12 9-22 0-10 1- 3 7-9 1-0
236 236 Lipscomb Atlantic Sun 17-14 5-10 0- 0 10-4 2-0
237 237 UC Irvine Big West 12-19 5-10 1- 2 6-6 0-1
238 238 Utah Valley Division I Independents 17-11 4-7 1- 0 10-4 2-0
239 239 Youngstown St. Horizon 11-19 4-10 0- 0 5-9 2-0
240 240 Long Island Northeast 16-14 4-11 0- 0 12-3 0-0
241 241 IUPUI Summit 16-14 7-7 0- 2 6-5 3-0
242 242 Hawaii Western Athletic 13-17 2-7 0- 1 11-9 0-0
243 243 Arkansas St. Sun Belt 13-17 4-12 0- 0 7-5 2-0
244 244 Hampton Mid-Eastern 16-16 6-8 4- 2 5-6 1-0
245 245 William & Mary Colonial 10-20 2-11 1- 1 6-8 1-0
246 246 Harvard Ivy 14-14 7-8 0- 0 6-6 1-0
247 247 Southeastern La. Southland 13-17 4-12 0- 1 5-4 4-0
248 248 Wagner Northeast 16-14 8-8 0- 0 8-6 0-0
249 249 Appalachian St. Southern 13-18 5-9 1- 2 6-7 1-0
250 250 San Francisco West Coast 11-19 3-13 1- 1 5-5 2-0
251 251 Ark.-Pine Bluff Southwestern 13-18 6-14 1- 1 6-3 0-0
252 252 St. Peter's Metro Atlantic 11-19 4-11 0- 2 7-6 0-0
253 253 Bethune-Cookman Mid-Eastern 17-16 7-10 2- 2 5-4 3-0
254 254 Lehigh Patriot 15-14 7-8 0- 0 8-6 0-0
255 255 Winthrop Big South 11-19 4-12 0- 1 6-6 1-0
256 256 Campbell Atlantic Sun 14-16 4-10 0- 2 8-4 2-0
257 257 South Carolina St. Mid-Eastern 17-14 5-8 1- 2 7-4 4-0
258 258 Savannah St. Division I Independents 15-14 2-11 0- 0 9-3 4-0
259 259 Penn Ivy 10-18 6-8 1- 0 3-10 0-0
260 260 Marist Metro Atlantic 10-23 1-13 2- 3 7-7 0-0
261 261 Valparaiso Horizon 9-22 1-12 0- 4 6-6 2-0
262 262 Ball St. Mid-American 14-17 3-10 1- 1 9-6 1-0
263 263 N.C. A&T Mid-Eastern 16-16 4-13 2- 1 7-2 3-0
264 264 UC Davis Big West 13-19 5-9 3- 2 5-8 0-0
265 265 Jacksonville St. OVC 11-17 5-11 0- 0 4-6 2-0
266 266 Southern Utah Summit 11-20 2-13 1- 1 7-5 1-1
267 267 SMU Conference USA 9-21 0-12 0- 1 8-8 1-0
268 268 La.-Lafayette Sun Belt 10-20 1-13 0- 0 8-7 1-0
269 269 Tennessee St. OVC 12-18 4-12 0- 0 7-5 1-1
270 270 Air Force Mountain West 10-21 1-9 2- 2 5-10 2-0
271 271 Texas St. Southland 14-16 2-10 1- 2 7-4 4-0
272 272 Tennessee Tech OVC 12-18 4-11 0- 0 6-7 2-0
273 273 Northern Colo. Big Sky 14-18 3-13 1- 1 8-4 2-0
274 274 Prairie View Southwestern 17-16 5-12 1- 2 7-2 4-0
275 275 Elon Southern 11-20 2-14 1- 0 6-6 2-0
276 276 Pepperdine West Coast 9-23 2-11 2- 2 3-10 2-0
277 277 UNC Wilmington Colonial 7-25 1-14 1- 2 5-9 0-0
278 278 St. Francis (NY) Northeast 10-20 4-14 0- 0 6-6 0-0
279 279 Colgate Patriot 10-20 6-13 0- 0 4-7 0-0
280 280 Army Patriot 11-19 4-12 0- 0 7-7 0-0
281 281 Detroit Horizon 7-23 3-15 0- 0 3-8 1-0
282 282 New Orleans Sun Belt 11-19 2-13 0- 0 8-5 1-1
283 283 South Dakota St. Summit 13-20 1-15 2- 2 8-3 2-0
284 284 Princeton Ivy 13-14 5-8 0- 0 7-6 1-0
285 285 S.C. Upstate Division I Independents 9-21 1-16 1- 1 7-4 0-0
286 286 Maine America East 9-21 3-11 1- 2 4-8 1-0
287 287 La.-Monroe Sun Belt 10-20 2-14 0- 0 7-6 1-0
288 288 Eastern Ill. OVC 12-18 3-13 0- 0 7-5 2-0
289 289 Columbia Ivy 12-16 3-9 1- 1 8-6 0-0
290 290 Norfolk St. Mid-Eastern 13-18 5-10 2- 4 6-4 0-0
291 291 Fordham Atlantic 10 3-25 1-11 0- 1 2-13 0-0
292 292 Northern Ariz. Big Sky 8-19 1-14 0- 0 5-5 2-0
293 293 Centenary (LA) Summit 8-23 2-15 2- 3 4-5 0-0
294 294 Longwood Division I Independents 17-14 3-11 1- 1 9-2 4-0
295 295 Bucknell Patriot 7-23 1-15 0- 0 6-8 0-0
296 296 Ga. Southern Southern 8-22 1-13 1- 2 5-7 1-0
297 297 Central Mich. Mid-American 12-19 3-11 1- 2 8-6 0-0
298 298 McNeese St. Southland 11-18 2-13 0- 0 7-5 2-0
298 298 Hartford America East 7-26 1-16 2- 2 4-8 0-0
300 300 Delaware St. Mid-Eastern 8-24 3-14 0- 4 4-5 1-1
301 301 Western Mich. Mid-American 10-21 3-10 0- 3 7-7 0-1
302 302 Cal St. Bakersfield Division I Independents 8-21 3-14 0- 0 5-6 0-1
303 303 Coastal Caro. Big South 11-20 2-13 1- 1 5-5 3-1
304 304 Cal Poly Big West 7-21 3-8 1- 1 3-11 0-1
305 305 Florida A&M Mid-Eastern 10-21 1-16 2- 2 7-3 0-0
306 306 Bryant Division I Independents 8-21 3-14 1- 0 4-7 0-0
307 307 Brown Ivy 9-19 1-14 0- 0 8-5 0-0
308 308 Lafayette Patriot 8-22 2-14 0- 0 6-8 0-0
309 309 UMKC Summit 7-24 3-13 1- 2 3-7 0-2
310 310 Fla. Gulf Coast Division I Independents 11-20 0-14 0- 0 10-6 1-0
311 311 Northwestern St. Southland 11-20 3-12 2- 1 3-7 3-0
312 312 Houston Baptist Division I Independents 5-25 1-15 1- 3 2-7 1-0
313 313 Fla. Atlantic Sun Belt 6-26 0-18 1- 1 5-7 0-0
314 314 Fairleigh Dickinson Northeast 7-23 3-14 0- 0 4-9 0-0
315 315 Dartmouth Ivy 9-19 3-9 0- 1 5-9 1-0
316 316 UNC Greensboro Southern 5-25 3-14 0- 1 1-10 1-0
317 317 Toledo Mid-American 7-25 0-16 0- 2 6-7 1-0
318 318 Eastern Mich. Mid-American 8-24 3-12 0- 3 3-9 2-0
319 319 Central Ark. Division I Independents 10-19 1-10 1- 1 4-8 4-0
320 320 Loyola Marymount West Coast 3-28 0-14 0- 3 3-10 0-1
321 321 Monmouth Northeast 8-23 1-14 1- 1 6-8 0-0
322 322 St. Francis (PA) Northeast 6-23 2-15 0- 0 4-8 0-0
323 323 Texas Southern Southwestern 7-25 3-16 0- 3 4-6 0-0
324 324 Charleston So. Big South 9-20 2-10 0- 0 4-10 3-0
325 325 High Point Big South 9-21 4-11 0- 0 2-10 3-0
326 326 North Fla. Division I Independents 8-22 2-14 0- 2 5-6 1-0
327 327 Winston-Salem Division I Independents 8-22 5-10 0- 4 1-8 2-0
328 328 Western Ill. Summit 9-20 3-12 1- 2 4-6 1-0
329 329 Northern Ill. Mid-American 10-20 1-11 1- 4 7-5 1-0
330 330 Howard Mid-Eastern 8-23 0-14 0- 4 8-5 0-0
331 331 Tex.-Pan American Division I Independents 10-17 1-10 1- 4 4-3 4-0
332 332 Furman Southern 6-24 0-16 0- 1 4-7 2-0
333 333 Mississippi Val. Southwestern 7-25 0-19 0- 3 7-3 0-0
334 334 Alabama A&M Southwestern 8-19 2-11 0- 1 5-5 1-2
335 335 Southern U. Southwestern 8-23 2-13 0- 3 6-5 0-2
336 336 Kennesaw St. Division I Independents 7-22 1-14 0- 0 5-8 1-0
337 337 N.C. Central Division I Independents 4-27 0-17 1- 3 2-6 1-1
338 338 Md.-East. Shore Mid-Eastern 7-23 2-16 0- 1 5-6 0-0
339 339 Southeast Mo. St. OVC 3-27 0-15 1- 1 1-10 1-1
340 340 Grambling Southwestern 6-23 1-14 1- 1 3-8 1-0
341 341 Sacramento St. Big Sky 2-27 0-16 0- 0 2-11 0-0
342 342 Alcorn St. Southwestern 6-25 1-15 0- 3 3-6 2-1
343 343 NJIT Division I Independents 1-30 0-15 0- 2 1-13 0-0


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:24 pm 
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Bids by conference (data from wikipedia)
Bids Conference -(Schools)
7 Big East - (Pittsburgh, Villanova, Connecticut, Marquette, Louisville, West Virginia, Syracuse)
7 ACC - (Clemson, North Carolina, Boston College, Wake Forest, Maryland, Florida State, Duke)
7 Big Ten - (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Purdue, Michigan State, Ohio State, Illinois, Michigan)
6 Big 12 - (Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas A&M, Missouri, Oklahoma State, Texas)
6 Pac-10 - (Arizona State, Arizona, USC, UCLA, California, Washington)
3 SEC - (Tennessee, Mississippi State, LSU)
3 Atlantic 10 - (Xavier, Dayton, Temple)
2 Mountain West (BYU, Utah)
2 Horizon (Butler, Cleveland State)
1 22 other conferences


The Big East was dynamite this year and is a 16 member conference --- no problem with them getting the 7 teams in their conference that broke 20 wins in.

The ACC is a 12 team conference I am not as OK with them getting 7 teams in although they were qualitatively great as well. I thought maryland was the most marginal of tourney teams, but I can live with it as Maryland did break 20 wins.

Can anyone defend the Big 10 getting in 7 schools? 4 or even 5 with an IMO deserving Penn State (they went 10-8 in conference, 23-11 overall, 4-3 vs. top 25 teams and 8-10 vs. top 100), I can understand, but Minnesota, Michigan, and Wisconsin? It was a very mediocre conference with great depth so the depth of the league dragged up everyone's RPI.

This happens every year. The overreliance on RPI lets the BCS conferences dominate the BB bids.

I am from big 12 country, but I wouldn't have a problem taking out Texas and OSU out of the tourney. Throw them in win Kansas State, inspite of their 20+ wins. They aren't good enough to beat 2 top teams and win it all, so why are they in? Money. To eliminate non BCS schools and keep the tourny money in BCS conferences' hands.

The Pac 10 had 4 legit tourney teams this year. I would argue that if you don't break 500 in your conference you shouldn't be in the tourney. (Now I'll concede USC winning the tourney allowed them to play their way in, but Arizona? No. As talented as they are, they haven't earned it.

Right there are 6 slots. Why Not UNM who finished tied for 1st in the MWC? Why not 22-9 San Diego State with Tourney proven coach Steve Fisher? Why not 27-7 Creighton who tied for first with a 14-4 conference record in the always strong MVC? Why Not 26-6 St. Mary's which went 20-2 when their star point guard Patty Mills was healthy? Why not 26-7 Davidson with Stephon Curry? Why not Tulsa who went 25-10, finishing second to Memphis at 12-4 in conference USA? Why not UALR who went 13-3 tying for the best record in the sunbelt while emassing a 23-8 record? Why not Vermont who 24-8 and tied for first in their conference with a 13-3 record? Why not Weber State who in spite of a modest 21-10 record, destroyed their conference going 15-1?

There were a lot of less talented teams playing better than Texas or OSU who could have legitmately knocked off a top or second tier team and made the tourney a whole lot less predictable and a lot more exciting.

Eventually the smaller conferences have to stop allowing their claims on tourney invites and tourney money to be stolen from them based on an RPI system that punishes them for being in a weaker conference.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:51 pm 
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Really if you want to reduce the Tourney down, you could have only teams in the RPI top 40 who have played 4 games against the top 25 and have wining records + the 1-3 teams in the RPI top 10 that don't. Probably 16 teams.

Your national champion is almost always in the group. The rest of the teams are icing. They draw out the tourneys to create more game revenue. They eliminate a couple of the top teams who either lack depth or experience injuries.

The 5th to 8th teams out of BCS conferences are just there to keep the #1A and #2 teams from the non-BCS conferences from making money in the Tourney.

I think the non BCS FBS schools -minus BCS lapdogs the MWC and A10 --- should go to the networks enmasse and hijack the selection process. Davidson was good enough to legitimately merit a tourney slot. Instead of Stephon Curry, TV got Minnesota. That COST them big money. I think St. Mary had a run in them and would have wanted to see Patty Mills in the dance. The small schools CREATE the excitement that drives viewership. They need to present their case to the TV networks.


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There's only one way to fight this.

Boycott bowl games in a concerted manner with a declaration and a set of demands. Very much like the solution to getting a football playoff done.

That's the money source. They aren't giving it up without a fight. So fight.


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How this proposal would have played out this year.

32 regular season champs are in with autobids and a bye from the play-in round.
Big Ten MSU (15-3) 27-6
Southeastern LSU (13-3) 27-8
Atlantic Coast UNC (13-3) 30-4
Big East Louisville (16-2) 29-5
Big 12 Kansas (14-2) 26-7
Pacific 10 Washington (14-4) 26-9
Mountain West BYU (12-4) 25-8
Missouri Valley UNI (14-4) 23-11
Atlantic 10 Xavier (12-4) 26-7
Conference USA Memphis (16-0) 33-3
Western Athletic Utah St. (14-2) 30-5
Colonial VCU (14-4) 24-10
Horizon Butler (15-3) 26-6
Mid-American Buffalo (11-5) 21-12**
Sun Belt WKU (15-3) 25-9
West Coast Gonzaga (14-0) 28-5
Southern Davidson (18-2) 27-7
Metro Atlantic Siena (16-2) 27-7
Ohio Valley Tenn-Martin (14-4) 22-10
Big Sky Weber St (15-1) 21-10
Ivy Cornell (11-3) 21-10
Summit NDSU (16-2) 26-7
America East Binghampton (13-3) 23-9
Atlantic Sun Jacksonville (15-5) 18-14**
Mid-Eastern Morgan St. (13-3) 23-12**
Patriot American (13-1) 24-8
Big South Radford (15-3) 21-12**
Big West CS Northridge (11-5) 17-14**
Southland SFA (13-3) 24-8
Southwestern Alabama St. (16-2) 22-10
Northeast Robert Morris (15-3) 24-11
Great West Seattle (21-8)*

* Seattle is not technically a GW member as far as I know, but it just made it easier to layout.
** 5 of the 32 champions do not qualify for top 14 seeding, due to losing more than 1/3 of their total games.


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8 Non-Champ Tourney winners.

Big Ten Purdue (11-7) 27-9 2nd
SEC Miss St. (9-7) 23-13 6th
ACC Duke (11-5) 30-6 2nd
Big 12 Missouri (12-4) 29-6 3rd
PAC 10 USC (9-9) 22-12 6th
MWC Utah (12-4) 24-10 2nd
MAC Akron (10-6) 23-13 3rd
Big Sky PSU (11-5) 23-10

19 runnerups who satisfy the above criteria.

Atlantic Sun E. Tenn St. (14-6) 23-11 2nd
Atlantic 10 Temple (11-5) 22-12 4th
Horizon Cleveland St. (12-6) 26-10 3rd
Southern Chattanooga (11-9) 18-17 5th
Ohio Valley Moorehead St. (12-6) 20-16 4th
MVC Creighton (14-4) 27-7 2nd
CUSA Tulsa (12-4) 25-11 2nd
Sun Belt UALR (15-3) 23-8 2nd
Metro Atlantic Niagra (14-4) 26-9 2nd
Big East UCONN (15-3) 29-4 2nd
Western Athletic Nevada (11-5) 21-13 2nd
Colonial George Mason (13-5) 22-11 2nd
West Coast St. Mary's (10-4) 27-6 2nd
Summit Oakland (13-5) 23-12 3rd
America East Vermont (13-3) 24-8 2nd
Big South VMI (13-5) 24-8 2nd
Big West Pacific (10-6) 20-12 2nd
Southland Nicholls St (12-4) 20-11 2nd
Great West South Dakota (20-9)*

* Technically USD had the best record in the GW, but as I lumped seattle in with the GW, they get the runnerup slot.

5 conferences that would get a half share, but would not have had a second team meet the criteria to qualify.

Mid-Eastern none
Patriot none
Southwestern none
Northeast none
Ivy none


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31 teams satisfying the "preferred" criteria for at large bids.

Pitt (15-3) 29-4
OU (13-3) 29-5
Wake Forest (11-5) 24-7
FSU (10-6) 25-10
UCLA (13-5) 26-9
Auburn (10-6) 24-11
Dayton (11-5) 27-7 2nd
UNM (12-4) 22-12
SDSU (11-5) 25-9
Illinois (11-7) 24-10
ASU (11-7) 25-9
Charleston (15-5) 27-8
Green Bay (13-5) 22-11
Illinois St. (11-7) 24-10
Rhode Island (11-5) 23-11
UAB (11-5) 22-12
ODU (12-6) 22-10
Belmont (14-6) 20-12
UNT (11-7) 20-12
Liberty (12-6) 23-11)
Villanova (13-5) 28-7
Cal (11-7) 22-11
Wright St. (12-6) 20-13
Citadel (15-5) 20-13
Marquette (12-6) 25-9
Hofstra (11-7) 21-11
Syracuse (11-7) 27-9
S. Carolina (10-6) 21-10
Tenn (10-6) 21-13
Houston (10-6) 21-12
UTEP (10-6) 21-12)


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That still leaves 6 extra bids = the 5 runnerup slots that could not be filled and one designated at large slot.

14 teams finished with more than 20 wins and 1 game over 500 in conference. Here they are sorted by record.

TAMU (9-7) 24-10
Penn St. (10-8) 24-11
Clemson (9-7) 23-9
WV (10-8) 23-12
OSU (9-7) 23-11
Ohio St. (10-8) 22-11
x- Florida (9-7) 25-10
x-UT (9-7) 23-12
x-KSU (9-7) 22-12
x-BC (9-7) 22-12
x-UNLV (9-7) 21-11
Duquesne (9-7) 21-13
x-Wisc (10-8) 20-12
USA (10-8) 20-13

conference limits would knock florida, Texas, Kansas St, Boston College, UNLV, and Wisconsin out. (ie. the Big 12 already would have Kansas, Oklahoma, and Missouri with TAMU and OSU having the better records overall to complete the conference's max allotment of 5 teams.) Dusquesne and USA would simply fail to get in due to lesser overall records.


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The play in round would be seeded out by win percentage (although RPI would work too)

1 Pitt (15-3) 29-4
2 UCONN (15-3) 29-4 2nd
3 OU (13-3) 29-5
4 Duke (11-5) 30-6 2nd
5 Missouri (12-4) 29-6 3rd
6 St. Mary's (10-4) 27-6 2nd
7 Villanova (13-5) 28-7
8 Dayton (11-5) 27-7 2nd
9 Creighton (14-4) 27-7 2nd
10 Wake Forest (11-5) 24-7
11 Charleston (15-5) 27-8
12 Syracuse (11-7) 27-9
13 Vermont (13-3) 24-8 2nd
14 VMI (13-5) 24-8 2nd
15 Purdue (11-7) 27-9 2nd
16 UCLA (13-5) 26-9
17 Niagra (14-4) 26-9 2nd
18 UALR (15-3) 23-8 2nd
19 SDSU (11-5) 25-9
20 ASU (11-7) 25-9
21 Marquette (12-6) 25-9
22 Cleveland St. (12-6) 26-10 3rd
23 Clemson (9-7) 23-9
24 FSU (10-6) 25-10
25 Illinois (11-7) 24-10
26 Illinois St. (11-7) 24-10
27 TAMU (9-7) 24-10
28 Utah (12-4) 24-10 2nd
29 PSU (11-5) 23-10
30 Tulsa (12-4) 25-11 2nd
31 South Dakota (20-9)*
32 ODU (12-6) 22-10
33 Auburn (10-6) 24-11
34 Penn St. (10-8) 24-11
35 S. Carolina (10-6) 21-10
36 Rhode Island (11-5) 23-11
37 Liberty (12-6) 23-11)
38 OSU (9-7) 23-11
39 E. Tenn St. (14-6) 23-11 2nd
40 Green Bay (13-5) 22-11
41 Cal (11-7) 22-11
42 Ohio St. (10-8) 22-11
43 George Mason (13-5) 22-11 2nd
44 WV (10-8) 23-12
45 Oakland (13-5) 23-12 3rd
46 Hofstra (11-7) 21-11
47 UNM (12-4) 22-12
48 UAB (11-5) 22-12
49 USC (9-9) 22-12 6th
50 Temple (11-5) 22-12 4th
51 Nicholls St (12-4) 20-11 2nd
52 Miss St. (9-7) 23-13 6th
53 Akron (10-6) 23-13 3rd
54 Houston (10-6) 21-12
55 UTEP (10-6) 21-12)
56 Belmont (14-6) 20-12
57 UNT (11-7) 20-12
58 Pacific (10-6) 20-12 2nd
59 Tenn (10-6) 21-13
60 Nevada (11-5) 21-13 2nd
61 Wright St. (12-6) 20-13
62 Citadel (15-5) 20-13
63 Moorehead St. (12-6) 20-16 4th
64 Chattanooga (11-9) 18-17 5th


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yeilding the following matchups scattered from thursday to saturday of the first/play in week

Chattanooga (11-9) 18-17 5th @ Pitt (15-3) 29-4
Moorehead St. (12-6) 20-16 4th @ UCONN (15-3) 29-4 2nd
Citadel (15-5) 20-13 @ OU (13-3) 29-5
Wright St. (12-6) 20-13 @ Duke (11-5) 30-6 2nd
Nevada (11-5) 21-13 2nd @ Missouri (12-4) 29-6 3rd
Tenn (10-6) 21-13 @ St. Mary's (10-4) 27-6 2nd
Pacific (10-6) 20-12 2nd @ Villanova (13-5) 28-7
UNT (11-7) 20-12 @ Dayton (11-5) 27-7 2nd
Belmont (14-6) 20-12 @ Creighton (14-4) 27-7 2nd
UTEP (10-6) 21-12) @ Wake Forest (11-5) 24-7
Houston (10-6) 21-12 @ Charleston (15-5) 27-8
Akron (10-6) 23-13 3rd @ Syracuse (11-7) 27-9
Miss St. (9-7) 23-13 6th @ Vermont (13-3) 24-8 2nd
Nicholls St (12-4) 20-11 2nd @ VMI (13-5) 24-8 2nd
Temple (11-5) 22-12 4th @ Purdue (11-7) 27-9 2nd
USC (9-9) 22-12 6th @ UCLA (13-5) 26-9
UAB (11-5) 22-12 @ Niagra (14-4) 26-9 2nd
UNM (12-4) 22-12 @ UALR (15-3) 23-8 2nd
Hofstra (11-7) 21-11 @ SDSU (11-5) 25-9
Oakland (13-5) 23-12 3rd @ ASU (11-7) 25-9
WV (10-8) 23-12 @ Marquette (12-6) 25-9
George Mason (13-5) 22-11 2nd @ Cleveland St. (12-6) 26-10 3rd
Ohio St. (10-8) 22-11 @ Clemson (9-7) 23-9
Cal (11-7) 22-11 @ FSU (10-6) 25-10
Green Bay (13-5) 22-11 @ Illinois (11-7) 24-10
E. Tenn St. (14-6) 23-11 2nd @ Illinois St. (11-7) 24-10
OSU (9-7) 23-11 @ TAMU (9-7) 24-10
Liberty (12-6) 23-11) @ Utah (12-4) 24-10 2nd
Rhode Island (11-5) 23-11 @ PSU (11-5) 23-10
S. Carolina (10-6) 21-10 @ Tulsa (12-4) 25-11 2nd
Penn St. (10-8) 24-11 @ South Dakota (20-9)*
Auburn (10-6) 24-11 @ ODU (12-6) 22-10


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