do you want me to stop talking about this? this is your site. these are my views and those are yours.

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Good points, but Chicago and Gonzaga don't have FBS football teams...which is a key component in the expansion goals of FBS conferences.
I think a more realistic example is the one I gave: the ACC in 2003. They could have gone with the best football team that was beating up all the other football teams, but instead went for less successful programs that they viewed as better long term members with more to offer (BC and Syracuse). Of course they were blocked by VA and had to take VPI over Syracuse at the last minute.

But 20 years from now, a program that is not even on the map could be an impacting program. We just don't know how things will play out. Putting your own personal bias towards Fresno St. aside, don't you see how someone could see long term potential with a program like Montana?

Montana might be in the MWC right now had the state not pushed through a contingency stating that if Montana were to upgrade to FBS, Montana St. woudl as well.

I am curious though that in all your posts you dont' mention the one issue that as a Californian, tops my list: the current budget crisis in regards to education. It's a pretty big problem and Cal State - Fresno will be effected by this just like the other CA public universities. And we saw what happened in the past as the state now has only a handful of D1 scholarship football programs: public FBS schools Cal-Berkeley, UCLA, San Diego St, Cal State - Fresno, privates Stanford and USC, and FCS scholarship programs Cal State - Sacramento, Cal-Poly and UC-Davis.

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I did bring it up. they raised tuition. My cousin goes to Seton Hall her boyfriend can't get any of his classes because of budget cuts. Its happening all over. You hear about Cali cuz you live here. Seton Hall aint dropping basketball. Fresno, Cal, UCLA, USC, SDSU, UCD, aint dropping football. Sac St. SJSU maybe. I'd bet on no for SJSU. CP maybe I'd bet no with their new stadium. The best teams in the BE were VT, Miami, BC. they went to the ACC. Syracuse was supposed to but the powers that be made sure the lesser profile school with with the BEST football team got in. Its like me saying the BE is expanding and they'll leave out UMass for Bryant and CW Post.

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Would you rather I use Harvard going to the B10? I thought you'd get the point without me having to use a FCS upgrade or Boise St. to the Pac 10 bs. Or W.Virginia to the B10

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We also have tons of rich farmers that funnel money to Fresno St. They cut a check for a million for the football team boom. In fact some billionaire(Not a farmer) pledged 10 million for sports. It was a black guy and it was a few months ago. why do you think we play so damn many night games. So their rich asses can go after working on the farm all day. Also have you heard of the Madden Library. I think its the biggest campus library in the US. Not sure maybe just CA but I think the US. We got money coming in. Dont be fooled by raised tuition and dropping other yawn sports so we can add women's lacrosse. If you wanna keep talking about things that won't happen lets talk about the budget being so bad that UCLA will merge with USC and become the USCLA Brojans.

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Alphasno Bigelow, is the guy. Chuckansi casino also gave Fresno St. a lot of money. I don't pretend to know more than you about UMass I'd like if you'd do the same on Fresno St.

here's a link talking about it on a message board the link they have to the fresno bee is no longer up http://www.thecaliforniawrestler.com/fo ... hp?t=53783 It says he made his first payment The Bee said the payments were 500K each time. He said it was 6 figures so we know he gave at least 100K. But is late on the 2nd. Chuckansi however has always come though in full. Still we've managed before there was a chuckansi and just had farmers kicking down $$$.

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Apparently you aren't aware with how the ACc situation actually played out. Rather than rehashing all the known facts, I'll just recommend you read the ACC Expansion thread which explains in detail the actual reason why Virginia Tech was included. I just think we are on two completely different wavelengths here.

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the Virginia senator said put VT in or Virginia votes no. Same result the good football got in over the academic school, certainly not the 1st time. No need to go back and read it, it was all over ESPN back in the day. Just like the MWC said get rid of tark now and you can be member #9 we said no, because we wanted the new area which tark could bring us. I thought we would have ended up with it anyway. Now we are on the outside. Shoulda coulda woulda on your Cuse argument.

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So you understand then that the original school selected with Miami was Syracuse, not Virginia Tech. And when Governor Warner strong-armed the ACC with the UVA vote, the ACC had to go with their only option: invite VPI or NO Miami.

The point you were trying to defend was that the ACC chose Virgina Tech, the best football program at the time, over Syracuse and Boston College. That was not the case. The league was simply FORCED politically to invite Virginia Tech if the league wanted to get the votes to get Miami in. The path the ACC took is in perfect contrast to your claim that leagues select their top candidate based on the quality of the football program...when if the ACC had it's way, the expansion would have been Miami, Syracuse and Boston college...not VPI.

Regardless, this thread was about a DREAM CONFERENCES for 2030.

So let's get back on point. If you don't like my own personal dream conference, based on what I want to see, then feel free to add your own.

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i don't see the sun belt merging with any other conference even in 20 years. I see them more of a Atlantic sun of sorts for football.(this coming from a sun belt conference fan) I see them loosing both of their Florida teams but gaining most of the Texas teams coming up. I can see were the eastern teams might be in Louisiana. I think the sun belt would basically be a stepping stone conference.

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I don't deal in dreams, I only post conf. changes that I think will happen. Which I like when I get useful advice from all of you. I don't always think that conf. only takes the top football school but it works out that way a lot. Even when ACC wanted the awesome bball school Syracuse they ended up with football power VT. I think that the B10 will take 1 and it will be Syracuse not Pitt or Rutgers who are better at football right now. I believe I've said that since they said they'd look at expansion. The Holy Cross over George Mason or ODU if a spot opened in the A-10 was a take I defer to you on, you showed why they would and you went to an A-10 school. Still I can't accept your Syracuse to the ACC vs Idaho or Montana to the MWC. Syracuse is a basketball power and a big name school the other 2 not. remind me why the hell we ended up talking about Syracuse to the ACC when I was arguing about how there's no way the MWC takes Idaho, Utah St. or Montana over Fresno St.? Was it football isn't everything?

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BC part of the 'best teams in the BE'? Now THAT'S funny!

Care to compare?

BC's Big East Conference record is not even .500. BC NEVER finished higher than 3rd place until VT and Miami left for the ACC (ie in their last year in the BE when they were co-champs). IIRC, they only finished in 3rd place TWICE! Both SU and WVU have better BE records than BC. As a matter of fact, both actually won the BE multiple times while Miami and VT were in the league!

Now, has BC done an excellent job in the ACC? Of course! However, to say that the ACC took the THREE BEST teams in the BE is NOT true.

If you dont' deal in dreams, then you should avoid threads that carefully include "Dream Conferences" or "Dream Conferences for Fun" in the actual title. They exist purely for that reason...for fun. I posted my dream lineup for 2030 and others are invited to include theirs as well.

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first off quit joking that Syracuse is better than BC in football. When was the last time they were good? That's like saying SJSU is better than Nevada because the won more BWC titles. No one cares what happened 10, 15 years ago. Most conferences want the hot school. I don't see the MWC talking to Fresno St. or Hawaii(who was in a bcs game 3 yrs ago) They're only talking to Boise St. who has been better the last 1o years, who can blame them. I'll give WV being better than BC but its hard to finish higher than 3rd when Miami and VT are in your conf. and like you said as soon as they left who was the co-champ. BC!

Quinn I don't think I've ever posted in the dream except for defending Fresno St. Would you like me to start a thread in the dream conf. about how UMass sucks and that D-II schools and sucky FCS schools belong in a better conf. than them? I bet you'd post a comment about it.

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Perhaps you just need to be less sensitive.

This is a dream conference for fun thread and I listed my dream conference lineup...for fun.

You said "no way the MWC takes Montana, Idaho, etc over Fresno".
I responded that in 20 years Fresno COULD be at the same level as SJSU...that Idaho and Utah St. COULD make progress and become better candidates. And guess what: that COULD happen.

This wasn't a thread like the Big Ten forum, and me making talking about Drake or Chicago St. being B110 candidates. This was a thread where in my view of 20 years from now, I said that the 2009 WAC #3 team Idaho, the FCS Championship Runner-up the last 2 season in Montana, and a market replacement team in Utah to be potential candidates 20 years from now. These are within the realm of a possibility 20 years from now in my scenario.

And if they weren't, it wouldn't matter. Panther did a "4 corners" conference with all the farthest distanced schools in the same conference. Why? He was having fun.


If you are hypersensitive to the dream conferences thread because a CSI member listed schools in a conference and didn't include your school, then perhaps these threads are not your cup of tea. Because it was you that took a word like "COULD" as a call to defend your beloved Fresno St. This thread had nothing to do with Fresno St. and you opted to hijack it. Just take a step back for a second and take a look: you are all upset because in a dream conferences thread about the year 2030, you feel your feelings have been hurt because someone picked other schools currently in the WAC as potential candidates along with 2-time FCS championship game runner-up Montana. No demotion to D2 for Fresno was involved, i had them simply staying in their current conference. So there is no reason for you to feel upset over this. But again, if you dont' like the dream threads, I can only recommend avoiding them.

Now back on topic...I'll repost the original lineup now.

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