Ah. Ok. That tells me what I need to know.

Notre Dame is going with the football schools. Their stated goal has been getting their olympic sports into the best BCS conference possible while maintaining football Independence.

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Notre Dame may wish to stay with the football schools in the Big East, but will they be allowed to tag along? If the footballers only have nine members, Notre Dame's desired arrangements make sense with regards to scheduling in basketball and a number of other sports. If the football contingent has to go to twelve, having to add Notre Dame as a non-football member doesn't make much sense.

I also wouldn't count on Charlotte joining the remaining non-football Big East schools as they don't fit the profile. Charlotte is public (not private and definitely not Catholic), southern (not Northeastern or Midwestern), and would be gone as soon as a FBS conference extends an invitation.

I think Charlotte would fast-track a FBS move for football if at all possible, if it meant getting in with the Big East football teams.

If they didn't, I don't think the catholic hoops schools of the Big East would really care about the profile as much as they would "what they bring to the conference." It's not like they'd ONLY consider catholic/private schools, since they went in with UConn, Pitt, etc before. They'd only care about strongest overall programs... in big markets.

Xavier, Dayton, Saint Louis... make sense because those are really quality basketball programs in decent markets (Dayton is smaller, but "southwest Ohio" would be the size of the #18 or #19 market).

Who else you going to take? the Big East Five don't want Temple, St. Joe's, UMass, URI, Hofstra, GW, George Mason, or anyone who's a neighbor to Villanova, Seton Hall, Providence, St. John's and Georgetown.

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JP, you know the ND AD said that if big changes are coming they are going to need to be a part of it and end up having to join a conference. I don't see them going with the footballers. Either they cave and join a 12/14 team B10 or they stay football Indy and join the Bball schools in their new conf. The main reason for the BE to split would be to go to 12 wouldn't it, so they can have a championship and be on par with the other BCS conferences. B10(12) and P12.

Also if any of this happens I think the BE Bball would stop at 10 because after Xavier & St.Louis, its too hard to find a good enough member in there eyes to go with Dayton to bring 2 more in. However Butler is looking sexier and sexier, of course Gonzaga and George Mason didn't find better homes after all of their bball success.

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There are many that believe that the remaining basketball schools would try to duplicate the existign model that blends state and private schools. An east cost version of the WCC is not the ideal league. The issue is just that the top candidates without football also happen to be private schools (Xavier, dayton, etc). But we know Richmond (non-parochial) had support by GTown, UMass support by Providence. Charlotte could be a fit as well since it's doubtful that their football would be at a level to get into the Big East football for some time.

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Note that Dayton was not even in the tournament this year.



NCAA Tournament’s Top 10 Designated Market Area’s
Top 10 DMAs for NCAA Viewing

1. Louisville
2. Columbus, OH
3. Kansas City
4. Indianapolis
5. Cincinnati
6. Dayton
7. Knoxville
8. Nashville
9. Raleigh-Durham
10. Albuquerque

http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/med ... a-tourney/

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I view it completely the other way...
ND would either be pressured into joining the Big Ten, or the BE Football group would still be strong enough for them to maintain ties. ND would join a 14-team Big Ten if the Big East was about to be slashed.

Circumstances have made it a little more shaky about a Big East split... because would a championship game with UCF, Memphis, ECU, etc make more revenue than hoops keeping GT, Nova, Marquette, ND, etc?

ND wants to be in a "BCS Conference" for all sports because BCS conferences have bigger budgets and compete for championships. How many private, catholic schools are in the Sears Cup top 25? Any? As an athletic department, in terms of national competitiveness, ND is a lot more like UConn and Louisville than they are like Georgetown and Providence.



Gonzaga and George Mason aren't in the same ballpark. Gonzaga, which built a national power MBB program (and now their WBB is getting good too), has no better conference to go to out West as a football-less school. George Mason hasn't built a program. They had a magical run. They haven't won a tourney game since.

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Albuquerque's ratings would probably be due to the fact that New Mexico, New Mexico State, and UTEP all made the dance.

Dayton is a college basketball town. A GREAT college basketball town. I worked at UD. Show me other cities that would push back the start of a massive two-year construction project two weeks... because the basketball team made the NIT. Or show me another city where 6,000 people will show up for the Opening Round game featuring teams like Winthrop and Pine Bluff?

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i believe the top a10 candidates for expansion with the non big east basketball schools are xavier, dayton, st. louis, and umass. the 3 western school paired up with marquette and depaul will make a nice western division while umass will play the role uconn orginally played as the big east's public school once the big east spilts/falls apart and gets back to its roots as a basketball first/only conference made up of mostly catholic schools. i tihnk charlotte and richmond are just to far south to really be considered, although i definatley believe richmond has a chance over charlotte, who is just extremely unlikely in my mind.

big east 2.0
EAST
umass
providence
st. john's
seton hall
villanova
georgetown

WEST
marquette
depaul
xavier
dayton
st. louis
butler

you got virtuallly every major market covered east of st. louis and north of d.c. sans detroit, pittsburgh, and cleveland (with only pittsburgh being a former big east stronghold).

now that would leave the a10 a GREAT chance to reorganize and strenghten itself instead of being a mismash of schools who want to be elsewhere (Temple and Charlotte will be in other football playing conferences imo)

URI
St.Bony
Fordham
Duquense
St. Joe's
La Salle
George Washington
Richmond

that is a decent core group of schools that can be built off of to go to either 10 or 12 once the right candidates are determined from CAA North and the AEast. however, with this being a mostly private school league they may only be interested in a school like holy cross, so it depends on what they want to accomplish.

Are you saying that ND would join the Fb schools as a Fb playing member? If they cave and play fb in a conf. B10 is where they'd go. If you're saying fb Indy I don't know if the BE footballers would take them or if the BE bball would say even 8/8 split. Still I think if the BE fb wanted a split it would be to eventually get to 12. I don't see a 12/13 w/ ND. Time will tell.

Right about GMU and Gonzaga, thus Butler is getting sexier and could find a home. If ND was in this conf. then I think Butler would be passed on for say UMass since ND covers the Ind. market. (this is the 12 teamer where your beloved UD gets in.) (I'm not against UD, I prefer 12 team conf.) I'm just putting what I think will happen if there was a split not what i want to happen. My way B10(12)w/ND, P10(12), BE split fb(12) bb(12), MWC(12)

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My general belief is that ND will either join the Big Ten, or continue in their current arrangement of membership with the Big East football schools, while remaining FB Independent.

If the Big Ten takes only one Big East team, BE FB is strong enough for ND to want to remain tied to for all sports.
If the Big Ten takes two or three BE teams, then ND is probably one of them anyway.

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Article out of Richmond(previously posted in another thread) with comments from Richmond AD regarding possibility that a future BE split would/could cause A-10 to lose schools.Link at http://www2.timesdispatch.com/sports/20 ... -ar-699411

If a the Big East splits, it isn't a possibility the A-10 loses schools, it's a certainty.

Can you think of any conceivable way that the Catholic Hoops schools would not add at least Xavier?

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The five schools most likely to be taken after a BE (renaming to Metro Conference possibly?) split are:

Dayton
St. Joseph's
Saint Louis
Temple
Xavier

All but Temple would join the Catholic hoops schools (Temple joins the non-Catholics in the FB-playing side). The Atlantic 10 could possibly pick up schools from the CAA and Southern Conference as well. The three most likely candidates being:

NC-Greensboro (Southern)
NC-Wilmington (CAA)
Old Dominion (CAA)

These three could join with George Washington, NC-Charlotte, and Richmond in the South Division. Meanwhile, Duquesne, Fordham, La Salle, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and St. Bonaventure would form the North Division.

Additionally, the A-10 could possibly pick up Army and Navy from the Patriot League. The service academies could bring some tradition to the A-10, while Navy also gets reunited with some former CAA mates (similarly, Army would also be reunited with two former MAAC members, one of which was once in the Patriot League).

Remember, there is MUCH more to the decision process than simply a school being in a market and have had some success in the past. St. Joes is on a level so far below the other A10 schools you mention. Take a look at the facilities ans attendance numbers to get a feel. In other words, expect the Big East...if a split ever did happen...to consider Xavier, Dayton, St. Louis, Richmond and even charlotte or temple...but not STJ.

As for A10 expansion, there are a number of schools that the conference has already explored adding: BU, Sienna, Holy Cross, Detroit, Butler. You can expect those schools to remain at the top of the list...especialyl since the ODU, the only school you included that would be desirable to the A10, has FBS football upgrade plans. They'll likely be tied to JMU and UD int he future.

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