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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:26 pm 
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Under certain parameters , it truly IS POSSIBLE for a league such as the SEC to over-expand.

If they add more premium NCAA FB programs, they will be looking for a corresponding increase in money, and
it's possible that the various networks are not in a position to accommodate them....
The problem can be the limit of premium TV slots to show the games.
If say, CBS already has a slate of top-notch games to fill all their time slots and get great TV ratings, they can't increase ad revenue without adding MORE time slots for games
or increasing viewership per game. The latter may not be significantly possible.
So how can you add more time slots.... air games on non-Saturdays ? on cable ?
At some point, the networks run the risk of "cannibalizing" their current offerings.

Bringing up the NFL is instructive. They grew their TV revenue by continually adding time slots....
Early game Sunday. Late game Sunday. Monday Night Football. A "special Thursday Night version of Monday Night Football".
Late season games on Saturday afternoon, Saturday evening. Sunday Night Football.
They have 5 networks going....
They have no competing Pro Football League.
People love to watch the NFL and they'll watch it at 3 a.m., if it was offered....

The SEC may be the premier college conference. Their problem is that the other networks already have contracts to show games from other conferences in their prime-time slots.


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Under certain parameters , it truly IS POSSIBLE for a league such as the SEC to over-expand.

If they add more premium NCAA FB programs, they will be looking for a corresponding increase in money, and
it's possible that the various networks are not in a position to accommodate them....
The problem can be the limit of premium TV slots to show the games.
If say, CBS already has a slate of top-notch games to fill all their time slots and get great TV ratings, they can't increase ad revenue without adding MORE time slots for games
or increasing viewership per game. The latter may not be significantly possible.
So how can you add more time slots.... air games on non-Saturdays ? on cable ?
At some point, the networks run the risk of "cannibalizing" their current offerings.

Bringing up the NFL is instructive. They grew their TV revenue by continually adding time slots....
Early game Sunday. Late game Sunday. Monday Night Football. A "special Thursday Night version of Monday Night Football".
Late season games on Saturday afternoon, Saturday evening. Sunday Night Football.
They have 5 networks going....
They have no competing Pro Football League.
People love to watch the NFL and they'll watch it at 3 a.m., if it was offered....

The SEC may be the premier college conference. Their problem is that the other networks already have contracts to show games from other conferences in their prime-time slots.



Quite true. The X factor in expansion is always the "who" is added. For instance, say the SEC added Texas, TAMU, Oklahoma and OSU. Now what if those 4 schools started to dominate the SEC, giving the conference more of a southwest feel, and on the field, HURT, current top programs like Florida, Tennessee, alabama, etc, because of new western domination? The ACC added top schools in Miami and VA Tech. and that killed the FSU dominance and made that national program take a step backwards.

It seems like the best working expansion model might be to add the schools that have strong tV numbers, that penetrate some large markets...but not to rock the boat in the on-the-field power balance. Remember the Big 8? Well, once they became the Big 12, Nebraska and Colorado took a step back...schools that carried the conference torch. Instead, the Big 12 became about the south division with Texas, TAMU, OU, etc.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:55 am 
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ESPN blog article discussing possible SEC expansion involving Texas A&M at http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/2 ... ec-expands


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I'm hearing Texas A&M to the SEC will be confirmed on Aug 22. wow! Quote from the AggieYell site.

"Texas has the Longhorn Network. Texas A&M has the SEC. Aggieyell.com is reporting that the Aggies have cast their lot with and have been accepted by the Southeastern Conference. "

Side note NCAA said that LHN can NOT have high school games. A&M still gone

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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
I'm hearing Texas A&M to the SEC will be confirmed on Aug 22. wow! Quote from the AggieYell site.

"Texas has the Longhorn Network. Texas A&M has the SEC. Aggieyell.com is reporting that the Aggies have cast their lot with and have been accepted by the Southeastern Conference. "

Side note NCAA said that LHN can NOT have high school games. A&M still gone


Not a "done" deal by any means but very much still likely to happen. But still a ton of factors. The guy to keep track of with this story is Billy Liucci, he's always on the TAMU matters fast with his connections. Give the guy a ton of credit for his past 3 tweets commenting on the nature of the early (many times false) reports on NCAA happenings.

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ESPN Dallas is reporting Florida St. will join A&M in the SEC. W/ A&M 2012, FSU 2013. It's espn so I'll need another source before Quinn buys it ;) I really don't trust many sites either but I just thought I'd tell you all.

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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
ESPN Dallas is reporting Florida St. will join A&M in the SEC. W/ A&M 2012, FSU 2013. It's espn so I'll need another source before Quinn buys it ;) I really don't trust many sites either but I just thought I'd tell you all.



Not sure what FSU adds to the SEC. Miami or VaTech would seem to be better economic fits.


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I'm hearing Texas A&M to the SEC will be confirmed on Aug 22. wow! Quote from the AggieYell site.

"Texas has the Longhorn Network. Texas A&M has the SEC. Aggieyell.com is reporting that the Aggies have cast their lot with and have been accepted by the Southeastern Conference. "

Side note NCAA said that LHN can NOT have high school games. A&M still gone


Not a "done" deal by any means but very much still likely to happen. But still a ton of factors. The guy to keep track of with this story is Billy Liucci, he's always on the TAMU matters fast with his connections. Give the guy a ton of credit for his past 3 tweets commenting on the nature of the early (many times false) reports on NCAA happenings.

Would you rather I keep this info to myself? :lol:

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I just got off the phone with someone on campus who I had been trying to talk to over the last few days because he's very well connected. Unlike a lot of things we had heard over the past few days which might have contradicted something else we heard or came from outside the university itself, his stuff comes from the highest levels and it's like God handing Moses the Ten Commandments.

A&M's going to the SEC.

This is what was said:

When the LHN was announced last fall, A&M officials took a long hard look at the economics of the deal and decided that they couldn't compete with Texas unless they did something different. They have been in discussions with SEC officials since that time. The person he talked to said that all future alignment discussions would be based on economics and that A&M was ahead of the curve in this regard.

On August 22, the A&M BOR will make it official. It doesn't matter what the NCAA decided today regarding the LHN or if the Big 12 has any further meetings or whatever penalties are assessed by the Big 12 for A&M leaving the conference.

There's nothing that can be done at this point to stop this. The BOR has determined that A&M's future lies in the SEC and away from Texas and will ratify this officially.

He was told that although Rick Perry will be in Birmingham and South Carolina this weekend, he has nothing to do with it. He was also told that he didn't have anything to do with the events of last summer. The timing of Perry's trip to the south has to do with his announcement that he is running for president which will be made Saturday on the same day that the Iowa straw polls are being done.

I apologize for not having much prior to this but this is the conversation that I waiting to have because there has been no better source on A&M over the years and because this comes directly from the highest levels. Prior to that, I wanted to be cautious but there's no need to be cautious at this point.

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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
ESPN Dallas is reporting Florida St. will join A&M in the SEC. W/ A&M 2012, FSU 2013. It's espn so I'll need another source before Quinn buys it ;) I really don't trust many sites either but I just thought I'd tell you all.



Not sure what FSU adds to the SEC. Miami or VaTech would seem to be better economic fits.

Miami is a smaller private and don't fit. FSU had Florida in it's corner according to the peeps on ncaabbs. VT might have been blocked by the politicians in Va that got them in the ACC over Cuse. Clemson was prbably #2 behind FSU on the east end for the SEC.

dback, on your other post, they were talking about that to on ncaabbs. the boulder was headed down hill and nothing could stop it.

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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
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I'm hearing Texas A&M to the SEC will be confirmed on Aug 22. wow! Quote from the AggieYell site.

"Texas has the Longhorn Network. Texas A&M has the SEC. Aggieyell.com is reporting that the Aggies have cast their lot with and have been accepted by the Southeastern Conference. "

Side note NCAA said that LHN can NOT have high school games. A&M still gone


Not a "done" deal by any means but very much still likely to happen. But still a ton of factors. The guy to keep track of with this story is Billy Liucci, he's always on the TAMU matters fast with his connections. Give the guy a ton of credit for his past 3 tweets commenting on the nature of the early (many times false) reports on NCAA happenings.

Would you rather I keep this info to myself? :lol:


no, not at all. I was just sharing Billy's insights since he's typically the main pulse of TAMU news via the radio station and his premium site. So I was just sharing that ;).

But as I've said, it seems like it's going to happen at this point. The only holdup being what the Big 12 comes back to the table with. That is the unknown factor in all of this...that info has been protected in the Big 12 offices as to not tip their hand. What we do know from the Big 12 offices is that if TAMU leaves, they will likely stay at 9 members for 2012.

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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
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ESPN Dallas is reporting Florida St. will join A&M in the SEC. W/ A&M 2012, FSU 2013. It's espn so I'll need another source before Quinn buys it ;) I really don't trust many sites either but I just thought I'd tell you all.



Not sure what FSU adds to the SEC. Miami or VaTech would seem to be better economic fits.

Miami is a smaller private and don't fit. FSU had Florida in it's corner according to the peeps on ncaabbs. VT might have been blocked by the politicians in Va that got them in the ACC over Cuse. Clemson was prbably #2 behind FSU on the east end for the SEC.

dback, on your other post, they were talking about that to on ncaabbs. the boulder was headed down hill and nothing could stop it.



To me, FSU or Clemson add nothing to the SEC - both are in markets the SEC is in already. VaTech would add a brand new market - Virginia.

And what is the attraction for FSU - just the extra money? Easier to get to the BCS game via ACC than SEC.


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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
Fresno St. Alum wrote:
ESPN Dallas is reporting Florida St. will join A&M in the SEC. W/ A&M 2012, FSU 2013. It's espn so I'll need another source before Quinn buys it ;) I really don't trust many sites either but I just thought I'd tell you all.



Not sure what FSU adds to the SEC. Miami or VaTech would seem to be better economic fits.

Miami is a smaller private and don't fit. FSU had Florida in it's corner according to the peeps on ncaabbs. VT might have been blocked by the politicians in Va that got them in the ACC over Cuse. Clemson was prbably #2 behind FSU on the east end for the SEC.

dback, on your other post, they were talking about that to on ncaabbs. the boulder was headed down hill and nothing could stop it.


Right on, indeed. Miami isn't the best fit. We know VPI was the school the SEC wanted last summer in the "IF" scenario...but no way the state lets them leapfrog UVA after all the work to get VPI in the ACC to begin with.

Other than the argument for Okalhoma, FSU really is the best option...because it adds another Florida school...and not some bottom feeder. GA Tech and Clemson make sense too but offer nothing compared to FSU.


I'm already started on the trickle down analysis...would be some movement even if the Big 12 remained at 9...since ACC woudl look at Uconn, Syracuse, Rutgers, etc.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:41 pm 
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to think I was about to leave the computer to "focus" on the NFL(my true love) preseason game.

I totally agree that something could still happen to stop it like the P16 but anything that has gone this far down needs to be reported.

PS I love having to eat my word about the politicians stopping this from happening. If a school wants to go they should be able too. F*ck politicians, they are #2 on the USA hate list behind Casey Anthony.

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I remember getting chewed out on these forums for even suggesting A&M would move and that a 14th team would join them. I would like to thank those that did have my back though ;)

Now...let the fun begin!!!!


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