ACC Realignment & Expansion Thread

westwolf · **Posted:** Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:09 pm

Maryland, Virginia and Va Tech oppose a north-south split. Expect ACC to pause at 14 and put each newcomer in an existing division.

diabsoule · **Joined:** Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:47 pm **Posts:** 252

westwolf wrote:

Maryland, Virginia and Va Tech oppose a north-south split. Expect ACC to pause at 14 and put each newcomer in an existing division.

The way I see that happening is Pitt going to the Coastal with Duke, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Miami, Virginia Tech, and Virginia and Syracuse joining the Atlantic with Boston College, Clemson, Florida State, Wake Forest, North Carolina State, and Maryland.

gsohokiefan · **Posted:** Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:28 pm

diabsoule wrote:

westwolf wrote:

Maryland, Virginia and Va Tech oppose a north-south split. Expect ACC to pause at 14 and put each newcomer in an existing division.

The way I see that happening is Pitt going to the Coastal with Duke, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Miami, Virginia Tech, and Virginia and Syracuse joining the Atlantic with Boston College, Clemson, Florida State, Wake Forest, North Carolina State, and Maryland.

I see just the opposite -- Pitt to Atlantic and Syracuse to Coastal.

Permanent cross-over opponents will remain the same except for VT-BC.

New permanent cross-over opponents for VT and BC would be:
VT-Pitt
BC-Syracuse.

Coastal
Duke
Ga Tech
Miami
UNC
Syracuse
Va
Va Tech

Atlantic
BC
Clemson
Fla State
Maryland
NC State
Pitt
Wake

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:14 pm

I bet the are only opposed to not going to Fla. So do N/S w/ Miami in North w/ all their old buddies and FSU in the south. FSU/Miami as a yearly cross over.

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3752

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

I bet the are only opposed to not going to Fla. So do N/S w/ Miami in North w/ all their old buddies and FSU in the south. FSU/Miami as a yearly cross over.

I concur. Feeling that a FLA/VA split is the way to go, balance things. But logic never prevails. I'd expect a zipper of sorts or simply splitting up the 3+ northern schools into 2-2 with Miami being considered "northern"

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3752

Reading the tea leaves, there is a potential WIN-WIN pattern for the ACC:

If the Big East were to lose WVU and UL to Big 12 or one to SEC, one to Big 12, the Big East is at 5.

Such a move would likely keep TCU in the MWC and pass on moving to the Big East...because there is little the Big East could do with those schools to justify keeping the BCS bid at that point.

It would be hard for Uconn, Rutgers, Cincy, USF to bring in 4-6 schools that would glorify the league.

Meanwhile, we know the ACC is interested in Notre Dame and Uconn seems the #16 pick. But there is also much talk that even if ND passes (expected) that the ACC might still be open to adding Uconn and Rutgers.

BUT....if the Big East is set to fold, then the ACC inviting of Uconn and Rutgers would give them what they want (99% control of the northeast market) AND take away the stigma of the "ACC poaching". Because it would be more of a life vest to 2 schools.

Of course, that would mean Cincy and USF are left out and likely headed to CUSA.

diabsoule · **Joined:** Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:47 pm **Posts:** 252

Quinn wrote:

Reading the tea leaves, there is a potential WIN-WIN pattern for the ACC:

If the Big East were to lose WVU and UL to Big 12 or one to SEC, one to Big 12, the Big East is at 5.

Such a move would likely keep TCU in the MWC and pass on moving to the Big East...because there is little the Big East could do with those schools to justify keeping the BCS bid at that point.

It would be hard for Uconn, Rutgers, Cincy, USF to bring in 4-6 schools that would glorify the league.

Meanwhile, we know the ACC is interested in Notre Dame and Uconn seems the #16 pick. But there is also much talk that even if ND passes (expected) that the ACC might still be open to adding Uconn and Rutgers.

BUT....if the Big East is set to fold, then the ACC inviting of Uconn and Rutgers would give them what they want (99% control of the northeast market) AND take away the stigma of the "ACC poaching". Because it would be more of a life vest to 2 schools.

Of course, that would mean Cincy and USF are left out and likely headed to CUSA.

There is also a situation that could happen where the Big 12 expands to 12 with Louisville, WVU, and Cincinnati if BYU/AF declines.

If Mizzou goes to the SEC then that opens up the opportunity for the Big 12 to invite four teams to get back to twelve and then the Big 12 could invite USF. Either way, the ACC is still in a Win/Win situation where UConn and Rutgers would be added to where the ACC would control the Northeast and Eastern seaboard markets.

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:06 pm

Quinn wrote:

Reading the tea leaves, there is a potential WIN-WIN pattern for the ACC:

If the Big East were to lose WVU and UL to Big 12 or one to SEC, one to Big 12, the Big East is at 5.

Such a move would likely keep TCU in the MWC and pass on moving to the Big East...because there is little the Big East could do with those schools to justify keeping the BCS bid at that point.

It would be hard for Uconn, Rutgers, Cincy, USF to bring in 4-6 schools that would glorify the league.

Meanwhile, we know the ACC is interested in Notre Dame and Uconn seems the #16 pick. But there is also much talk that even if ND passes (expected) that the ACC might still be open to adding Uconn and Rutgers.

BUT....if the Big East is set to fold, then the ACC inviting of Uconn and Rutgers would give them what they want (99% control of the northeast market) AND take away the stigma of the "ACC poaching". Because it would be more of a life vest to 2 schools.

Of course, that would mean Cincy and USF are left out and likely headed to CUSA.

See you know they are still an option, you bust my balls about them yet here you are putting them as an option for the SEC. Because you know and I know the SEC never was the one to say WVU was rejected, it was "insiders", like the ones that said ND, Mizz, Neb, Rutgers to the B1G. The SEC could deny just like B1G did w/ Nebraska until they are at the press conference shaking hands.

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3752

diabsoule wrote:

Quinn wrote:

Reading the tea leaves, there is a potential WIN-WIN pattern for the ACC:

If the Big East were to lose WVU and UL to Big 12 or one to SEC, one to Big 12, the Big East is at 5.

Such a move would likely keep TCU in the MWC and pass on moving to the Big East...because there is little the Big East could do with those schools to justify keeping the BCS bid at that point.

It would be hard for Uconn, Rutgers, Cincy, USF to bring in 4-6 schools that would glorify the league.

Meanwhile, we know the ACC is interested in Notre Dame and Uconn seems the #16 pick. But there is also much talk that even if ND passes (expected) that the ACC might still be open to adding Uconn and Rutgers.

BUT....if the Big East is set to fold, then the ACC inviting of Uconn and Rutgers would give them what they want (99% control of the northeast market) AND take away the stigma of the "ACC poaching". Because it would be more of a life vest to 2 schools.

Of course, that would mean Cincy and USF are left out and likely headed to CUSA.

There is also a situation that could happen where the Big 12 expands to 12 with Louisville, WVU, and Cincinnati if BYU/AF declines.

If Mizzou goes to the SEC then that opens up the opportunity for the Big 12 to invite four teams to get back to twelve and then the Big 12 could invite USF. Either way, the ACC is still in a Win/Win situation where UConn and Rutgers would be added to where the ACC would control the Northeast and Eastern seaboard markets.

Cincinnati is not a candidate for the Big 12. The candidate pool right now seems set at : BYU, Louisville, WVU and Boise St. No Air Force anymore either. Rationale is is expansion to 10, then it's BYU or UL. Expansion to 12 would be to push east with UL/WVU and then a 3rd (BYU or BSU). Might be able to squeeze TCU in for 12 team expansion if BYU passes, but B12 seems opposed to TCU as #10.

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3752

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

Quinn wrote:

Reading the tea leaves, there is a potential WIN-WIN pattern for the ACC:

If the Big East were to lose WVU and UL to Big 12 or one to SEC, one to Big 12, the Big East is at 5.

Such a move would likely keep TCU in the MWC and pass on moving to the Big East...because there is little the Big East could do with those schools to justify keeping the BCS bid at that point.

It would be hard for Uconn, Rutgers, Cincy, USF to bring in 4-6 schools that would glorify the league.

Meanwhile, we know the ACC is interested in Notre Dame and Uconn seems the #16 pick. But there is also much talk that even if ND passes (expected) that the ACC might still be open to adding Uconn and Rutgers.

BUT....if the Big East is set to fold, then the ACC inviting of Uconn and Rutgers would give them what they want (99% control of the northeast market) AND take away the stigma of the "ACC poaching". Because it would be more of a life vest to 2 schools.

Of course, that would mean Cincy and USF are left out and likely headed to CUSA.

See you know they are still an option, you bust my balls about them yet here you are putting them as an option for the SEC. Because you know and I know the SEC never was the one to say WVU was rejected, it was "insiders", like the ones that said ND, Mizz, Neb, Rutgers to the B1G. The SEC could deny just like B1G did w/ Nebraska until they are at the press conference shaking hands.

Never busted your balls. Just reiterating that in order for WVU to have the opportunity to even accept a future SEC invite, it would have required Missouri rejecting an SEC invite (since despite no official "offer" existing, Missouri does have the SEC as a real option...just would require officially clicking "Send" on the fax application).

SEC has gone on the record saying they have had no applications since TAMU. So WVU (or Missouri) never formally applied...because they SEC likely told them they were not interested in a 14th...which the WVU source took as gospel and told BE officials...which WVU disputed using semantics are argument point (since WVU never officially applied, they were never officially rejected...despite the fact they never formally applied because the SEC said they were not interested).

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:08 pm

but none of us know what the SEC actually said. Just last week they were running that Mizzou would join the SEC, so how do you go from that to, na, we don't want a 14?

westwolf · **Posted:** Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:10 pm

Yeah, I'm surprised Slive made that comment about no #14 next year. Why not stay silent?

footballgod · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:03 pm

I got a feeling the end of the year is going to be a great year for the acc and sec. The SEC will take Missouri and West Virginia then Swafford will go to slive and say take your pick Va Tech, Clemson or Florida State so we can pick up Uconn.

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:26 pm

If that happens then the ACC can add ND if they feel it's time for them to move along w/ Rutgers for 16.

FG, any new news on UNA and OVC?

footballgod · **Posted:** Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:00 am

first no new news yet on UNA and OVC but from a source they loved the area and stadium which can be expanded if the money is there.
second why would the ACC want Norte Damage unless we are talking about all sports including football.

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