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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:01 am 
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dbackjon wrote:
One problem with using conference teams for OOC games is that you still have a "conference" team with a loss.

The big boys rely on there OOC games against the small guys to a) get extra home games and (b) pad their records.

That is why you will never see a full split from the NCAA - the big boys NEED the smaller conferences around.


That is very true. However, you also need to factor in that in a traditional 8 or 9 game schedule IN conference, it means that a school will be playing a harder opponent each year anyways. For instance, even in the SEC, a school like LSU is going to have to play the likes of Florida, Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas who have been solid, other stronger on and off schools like Georgia, SC. Only Vanderbilt and Kentucky are the "pushover" conference games.

So if you are Texas in a Pac-16, you have to play: TTech, OU, OSU, Utah, CO, AZ and ASU every year. So having 1-2 games that dont' count for the "conference" record against the pool of UW, WSU, OSO, Oregon, UCLA, USC, Cal and Stanford isn't much different. One can argue that when you look at Florida's total schedule in a year, that it might be tougher than Texas if they play their 7 conference games and then 2 games against even USC and Oregon to get to 9 (since #10 and #11 for Texas could be against the Rice, SMU, Baylor, Texas St., UTSA, Central Arkansas, SHSU type schools).

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:03 am 
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dbackjon wrote:
One problem with using conference teams for OOC games is that you still have a "conference" team with a loss.

The big boys rely on there OOC games against the small guys to a) get extra home games and (b) pad their records.

That is why you will never see a full split from the NCAA - the big boys NEED the smaller conferences around.


And to keep my post on topic with your post, figure if there were 6 conferences of 16 or even 5 of 16, you'd still have the schools currently in CUSA and MWC, figure about 20 of them, would be now in the BCS, as lower level "top tier" conference schools that would be 2:1 games and considered easy wins. So there would still be a pool of easy to beat schools available.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:35 pm 
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Here they come (maybe)

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hT1GsAljfbhxldLjy_zjqrfJ28fA?docId=f44506595b884c1597fb4b578861e915


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If Mizzou does end up in the SEC, I surely hope the numbers stop at 14. While I would like to see Clemson in it due to sentiment rivalries with family and friends, I hope the ACC is left alone. FSU and Clemson are the ACC schools with the 80,000 plus stadium crowds. Both are geographically in there, and could carry their weight with their fervent fan bases. However, there is a point where enough is enough, and appreciate that healthy, rival conferences need their secure markets as well. Ending up with just two or three real power conferences, such as the SEC, B10, and PAC10, almost totally dominating, may ultimately narrow the intensity of competition across the board.

The B10 turned down Mizzou the last go round. If Mizzou does go to the SEC, could they show a finger to the B10 on their way there? B10 may not be happy seeing neighboring Mizzou associating more southward than westward.

To say Mizzou does not geographically fit with the SEC, they do border three SEC states: Arkansas, Tenn. and Kentucky. And to say the urban markets of St. Louis and Kansas City suggest Mizzou belongs more with the rust belt, the south is not without some big urban centers and several NFL teams and other pro sports.

Mizzou's rivalry with Kansas is historically classic. But change does force at times to give something-up for perhaps a grander gain and security.


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Article out of Birmingham with an early SEC President voting headcount for a possible Missouri to the SEC bid at http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011 ... s_fav.html


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Regarding Mizzou geographical fit with SEC - Bentonville is 5 hours away - only close team. While Missouri does share a short border with both KY and TN, it is still 8 hours to either Nashville or Lexington.


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Article out of Birmingham with an early SEC President voting headcount for a possible Missouri to the SEC bid at http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011 ... s_fav.html



And a cautionary read on why expansion is not always the best idea. Anything above 12 causes these issues.


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MIssouri seems to be its own worst enemy. The school embarrased itself in pursuing the Big 10 slot last year, perhaps tipping the scale toward Nebraska. Now some "spokesman" announces that Mo still prefers the Big 10 and that the SEC is "what's left". If I were an SEC decision maker, Mo would have just lost my vote.


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MIssouri seems to be its own worst enemy. The school embarrased itself in pursuing the Big 10 slot last year, perhaps tipping the scale toward Nebraska. Now some "spokesman" announces that Mo still prefers the Big 10 and that the SEC is "what's left". If I were an SEC decision maker, Mo would have just lost my vote.

I don't think the Big Ten issue is an SEC factor...it's been out there since last year that MO wanted in B10. Issue this time is that unless you add an SEC Network, Missouri or ANY Big East schools are subpar additions. Period. It's the SEC...and if they can't get one of the big ACC schools, then 13 ISSSSS better than a forced 14. That said, if we rule out ACc schools for good, then Missouri would be the pick for 14. Problem is that MO will need to sign off on grants if they stay in B12. So no SEC invite in coming weeks means MO is locked in to B12. Especially if they get the 13 year grants passed with a new tier 1 contract. Means MO leaving in 3 years would cost them A MINIMUM of $150 million to leave. Ouch.

MO options are stay with Big 12 for money if no SEC invite of go indy (or BE/CUSA/MWC)...which will be stupid paycut that might never be replaced in hopes of B10.

i wouldn't rule out SEC TV, but they would need to lay out a plan fast in order to grab the St.Louis/KC markets.

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The thread has quotes saying that Mizzou doesn't have enough votes and that they can do better than Mizzou, some want an east school.

http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=519985

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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
The thread has quotes saying that Mizzou doesn't have enough votes and that they can do better than Mizzou, some want an east school.

http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=519985


There's some freaked articles above that mention them from yesterday, same with the CSI tweet stream. The votes are there, it's just not unanimous (which is the goal). Some schools want to wait it out to make the best choice, because some won't accept that the ACC schools are unified, despite the exit fee bump and expansion to 14...go figure.

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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
The thread has quotes saying that Mizzou doesn't have enough votes and that they can do better than Mizzou, some want an east school.

http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=519985


There's some freaked articles above that mention them from yesterday, same with the CSI tweet stream. The votes are there, it's just not unanimous (which is the goal). Some schools want to wait it out to make the best choice, because some won't accept that the ACC schools are unified, despite the exit fee bump and expansion to 14...go figure.

Birmingham news says they do NOT have the 9 votes needed. ESPN is running it on the ticker. UT and Bama are 2 of the no votes due to them losing their cross over game by Auburn moving to the East.

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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
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The thread has quotes saying that Mizzou doesn't have enough votes and that they can do better than Mizzou, some want an east school.

http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=519985


There's some freaked articles above that mention them from yesterday, same with the CSI tweet stream. The votes are there, it's just not unanimous (which is the goal). Some schools want to wait it out to make the best choice, because some won't accept that the ACC schools are unified, despite the exit fee bump and expansion to 14...go figure.

Birmingham news says they do NOT have the 9 votes needed. ESPN is running it on the ticker. UT and Bama are 2 of the no votes due to them losing their cross over game by Auburn moving to the East.


If Tennessee and Alabama are voting NO because they are scared of losing their game then that is ignorant. Simply put Missouri in the east, problem solved. Missouri still plays Vandy, Tennessee, and Kentucky. Their intra-divisional game can be against Arkansas, besides, Missouri is actually closer to all eastern division schools with the exception of Florida than they are to Texas A&M.


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The SEC could switch east/west division to north/south
NORTH
Missouri
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vandy
Arkansas
Georgia
South Carolina

Texas AM
LSU
Florida
Alabama
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The SEC could switch east/west division to north/south
NORTH
Missouri
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vandy
Arkansas
Georgia
South Carolina

Texas AM
LSU
Florida
Alabama
Auburn
Ole Miss
Miss St.

South is too good. Put Bama and Auburn in the North and SC and UGa in the South

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