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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:09 pm 
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Clearly Benson has looked into his crystal ball and seen a vision of the upcoming carnage.

He has calculated that the Sun-Belt is a better place to be than in the WAC.
There will be consolidation between the two, and schools will be moving away from the WAC, and toward the Sun-Belt.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:19 pm 
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Agreed. Seems like just a matter if time. With growth by nearby conferences to 14 and the CUSA/MWC merge, seems that even the SB might be able to find some new TV money with the right moves. Clearly the SB is better than the WAC now for LA tech. But UTSA and Texas St might add something now to the SB if brought in. Not so sure NMSU adds much though, so even if those 3 were added, it would be 13/14. Meanwhile the WAC would be SJSu, Idaho and NMSU for football. Ouch.


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Could be ouch for USU too. If they go to 14 fb NMSU could get in. The other 3 are much further outliers. C-TBA will probably just add FIU and Temple so SBC need to look at either 12 or 14 for fb. They could still take App St. or Georgia St. over NMSU.

WAC will end up being the Great West and add CSUB, UVU, UTPA. I wonder what BSU, Utah St., Idaho would do. ask for Big Sky invites? UTA stay in the SLC? SJSU could go back to the Big West and be #12.

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Wire story from ESPN site with comments from new SBC Commish Karl Benson regarding possible future SBC expansion at http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story ... -expansion


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La Tech and UTSA to the SBC soon? That gets him the 12 he wants

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Dennis Dodd blog article discussing Karl Benson and the future of the SBC at http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.com/ ... 2/34866028


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Posting this in each of the conference threads:

About to go on vacation, so I likely won't be writing any longer articles for a week of so. So here's some long winded drivel covering each of the FBS football conferences and what to expect next in Conference Realignment:

http://collegesportsinfo.com/2012/02/17 ... s-up-next/

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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
La Tech and UTSA to the SBC soon? That gets him the 12 he wants


I'm with ya. Think they solidify LA as SB country, and UTSA gives another Texas market. That said, could easily see UTSA and Texas St. as best option. Also, UTSA and App St, to enter the NC area.

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Quinn wrote:
Fresno St. Alum wrote:
La Tech and UTSA to the SBC soon? That gets him the 12 he wants


I'm with ya. Think they solidify LA as SB country, and UTSA gives another Texas market. That said, could easily see UTSA and Texas St. as best option. Also, UTSA and App St, to enter the NC area.



I believe Benson wants at least 12 for stability. Which I believe could mean more than 12.
If I'm the Sun Belt, I add Louisiana Tech, Georgia State, Appalachian State, UT-San Antonio and if North Texas leaves then New Mexico State (Texas State).

Feel bad for Idaho who has no where to go but independent or back down to Big Sky.


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seanbo wrote:
Quinn wrote:
Fresno St. Alum wrote:
La Tech and UTSA to the SBC soon? That gets him the 12 he wants


I'm with ya. Think they solidify LA as SB country, and UTSA gives another Texas market. That said, could easily see UTSA and Texas St. as best option. Also, UTSA and App St, to enter the NC area.



I believe Benson wants at least 12 for stability. Which I believe could mean more than 12.
If I'm the Sun Belt, I add Louisiana Tech, Georgia State, Appalachian State, UT-San Antonio and if North Texas leaves then New Mexico State (Texas State).

Feel bad for Idaho who has no where to go but independent or back down to Big Sky.



Thing is, I think it's pretty clear based on the WAC issues going on for a year and with Benson leaving the WAC for the Sun Belt, that the Sun Belt will always be stable now. It's simple math almost: only CUSA/MWC is a threat to take SB schools. And how many of those schools are even appealing enough to make the list? No. Texas, yes, big time. FIU or FAU? Sure, likely 1 or the other. After that, it's pretty stable...don't see Troy, MTSU also leaving. And that's because the CUSA/MWC has WAC targets like Utah St and SJSU sitting there. Also we know Temple. So if they are at 16 and brought in all those top candidates (UNT, USU, SJSU, Temple) they'd be at 19 with 20 for football. That's a huge conference. At that point, you might even see a school like Idaho or NMSU jump up the list solely so that the 6 school "mountain" division.

But in my mind, I think they could still expand beyond 16, but I think they might not be in a rush. And if they do, I still think 18-20 would be the number with media markets being key. Pretty much seems a lock that Temple, UNT, USU, SJSU would get 1st dibs.

Now back to the Sun Belt...

They are at 10/11.

So if they goto 12/13, they likely just bring in a LA Tech and a UTSA. And if they lose all the schools they possibly could: UNT, FIU AND FAU, and lets throw in a Troy too...then they'd be down to 8/9. Guess what though? They'd still have all the WAC schools as options. So for #9, they bring in Texas St. For #10, they go with NMSU. For #11, they can take their first pick of the FCS upgrade schools via Appalachian St...since App St. would upgrade at this point knowing the last spot they have is the SB and if they pass, they are stuck in FCS. For #12, still a ton of choices. There is GA State in Atlanta. There is GA Southern. There's Jax St. They's Lamar. There's SHSU. Even Charlotte would have to consider it if they were passed over by CUSA/MWC, which is likely to happen initially since they just started football. Meanwhile, the WAC has no options. But the Sunbelt, due to location, not only has options, but a ton of options in or near their current footprint. They dont' need to reach out to Idaho if App St. is in their backyard.

Just seems SB is in a good spot, despite all the other conferences moving around so much. it's the benefit of being at the bottom: less schools leave. Anyone think the MAC will be looking for replacements? Likely not...oddly, like the SB, they have more stability than many others.

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Quinn wrote:
Posting this in each of the conference threads:

About to go on vacation, so I likely won't be writing any longer articles for a week of so. So here's some long winded drivel covering each of the FBS football conferences and what to expect next in Conference Realignment:

http://collegesportsinfo.com/2012/02/17 ... s-up-next/


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Article out of New Orleans with comments from Karl Benson regarding possible SBC expansion at http://www.nola.com/sports/index.ssf/20 ... to_wo.html


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Quinn wrote:
seanbo wrote:
Quinn wrote:
Fresno St. Alum wrote:
La Tech and UTSA to the SBC soon? That gets him the 12 he wants


I'm with ya. Think they solidify LA as SB country, and UTSA gives another Texas market. That said, could easily see UTSA and Texas St. as best option. Also, UTSA and App St, to enter the NC area.



I believe Benson wants at least 12 for stability. Which I believe could mean more than 12.
If I'm the Sun Belt, I add Louisiana Tech, Georgia State, Appalachian State, UT-San Antonio and if North Texas leaves then New Mexico State (Texas State).

Feel bad for Idaho who has no where to go but independent or back down to Big Sky.



Thing is, I think it's pretty clear based on the WAC issues going on for a year and with Benson leaving the WAC for the Sun Belt, that the Sun Belt will always be stable now. It's simple math almost: only CUSA/MWC is a threat to take SB schools. And how many of those schools are even appealing enough to make the list? No. Texas, yes, big time. FIU or FAU? Sure, likely 1 or the other. After that, it's pretty stable...don't see Troy, MTSU also leaving. And that's because the CUSA/MWC has WAC targets like Utah St and SJSU sitting there. Also we know Temple. So if they are at 16 and brought in all those top candidates (UNT, USU, SJSU, Temple) they'd be at 19 with 20 for football. That's a huge conference. At that point, you might even see a school like Idaho or NMSU jump up the list solely so that the 6 school "mountain" division.

But in my mind, I think they could still expand beyond 16, but I think they might not be in a rush. And if they do, I still think 18-20 would be the number with media markets being key. Pretty much seems a lock that Temple, UNT, USU, SJSU would get 1st dibs.

Now back to the Sun Belt...

They are at 10/11.

So if they goto 12/13, they likely just bring in a LA Tech and a UTSA. And if they lose all the schools they possibly could: UNT, FIU AND FAU, and lets throw in a Troy too...then they'd be down to 8/9. Guess what though? They'd still have all the WAC schools as options. So for #9, they bring in Texas St. For #10, they go with NMSU. For #11, they can take their first pick of the FCS upgrade schools via Appalachian St...since App St. would upgrade at this point knowing the last spot they have is the SB and if they pass, they are stuck in FCS. For #12, still a ton of choices. There is GA State in Atlanta. There is GA Southern. There's Jax St. They's Lamar. There's SHSU. Even Charlotte would have to consider it if they were passed over by CUSA/MWC, which is likely to happen initially since they just started football. Meanwhile, the WAC has no options. But the Sunbelt, due to location, not only has options, but a ton of options in or near their current footprint. They dont' need to reach out to Idaho if App St. is in their backyard.

Just seems SB is in a good spot, despite all the other conferences moving around so much. it's the benefit of being at the bottom: less schools leave. Anyone think the MAC will be looking for replacements? Likely not...oddly, like the SB, they have more stability than many others.


Even though I wish Georgia Southern would reconsider, Georgia Southern did a study last year and said they are not interested in moving up.


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Another merger? Sunbelt and WAC?

http://www.nationalfootballauthority.co ... -west.html

I doubt it but I guess anything can happen.

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It's a VERY REAL possibility.

If you believe that MWCUSA will go to 24, the writing is on the wall.
The MWCUSA West (to get to 12) could grab SJSU, USU, Idaho (for all sports) from WAC, pull in UTEP from CUSA, and Boise St. (from WAC) for all but FB, to off-set Hawaii (FB only).
MWCUSA East would then grab 5 schools (mostly from the SunBelt, maybe one or two from WAC).

At that point, you have a depleted Sun-belt and some remaining FB schools in the WAC (NMSU, TSU, UTSA, UTA, LTU). Boom ! Benson invites those schools and cleans out the WAC,
EXCEPT FOR Seattle and Denver (two non-FB schools). Not sure who would want them. They fit in the Big Sky footprint. Hopefully, they don't have the Great West as their only option.Tex


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