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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:31 am 
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RE: A-10 or Horizon League
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3/15/12 9:05 AM
Just spoke w/ someone in the know, and this #Butler to the #A10 is more than interest, it is all but a done deal.

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A10 loses Temple and adds a more successfully program that keeps SLU content in the process.


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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:04 am 
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Amazing how I'm such a huge A-10 guy and want resolution to this extremely quickly and am excited about a new member even though losing Temple sucks for the league…

… and yet, I've got nothing to say.

Because this is the biggest no brainer, ever.

Butler has had the most basketball success, and comes from the biggest market of any of the schools in a league lower rated than the A-10 that doesn't have football scholarships.

Can you envision any scenario in which Butler does not join the A-10 soon?

If they want to go to 16, fine. Take VCU and Mason, too. Play your travel partner twice and everyone else once:

Butler-Saint Louis
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Bonaventure-Duquesne
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St. Joe's-LaSalle
Richmond-VCU
GW-George Mason
Fordham-Charlotte (ugly pairing)

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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:20 pm 
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I don't see VCU and GMU leaving - they both want football at some point.


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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:04 am 
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I don't see VCU and GMU leaving - they both want football at some point.


I agree with both of you.

1) Butler is a no-brainer. It helps keep StL happy, keeps the midwest region strong.
2) I actually agree with JP that GMU and VCU could be a positive for all parties: A10 gets more schools near it's headquarters in VA, locks in 4 strong non-BCS type hoops programs for the DC/VA region with Richmond, VCU, GW and GMU.
3) For GMU and VCU, they have been set on a stable CAA and VERY happy there, as jon implied.
4) But...the football landscape is continuing to change. UMass left the CAA and other schools recently dropped football. I always felt like the push for GMU ad VCU to add football (not all that likely now, although VCU had benefit of being able to take over the nearby stadium) was for those schools to secure their spot in the CAA. But with football as a sport changing so much, it's not a stretch at all to think that in the next 5-10 years, JMU and Delaware will be in FBS football. We know Georgia St. is trying to upgrade. And ODU has long term goals of FBS as well (IFFFF the nearby schools also upgraded). So what would that mean for the CAA for GMU and VCU? There might be a benefit for these two schools to consider the A10 for long term stability, given that no matter what we say here, the Big East has proven it has no intentions of splitting. They've added 15 schools since the 2003 ACC defections, a sign they are committed to this hybrid. So it's unlikely any A10 schools would leave other than UMass and Charlotte. Both help the A10 image but aren't annual tourney bid contenders like Xavier, Dayton, Richmond and even StL.

I dont' see it happening (VCU/GMU to A10). But I think both schools should consider it. And I think the A10 might gain from it as well. But I dont' see it happening unless someone leaves the CAA...which is unlikely.

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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:13 pm 
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Football drives the train, but for the CAA and a lot of other FCS schools, it really doesn't... yet.

Basically, an invitation from the A-10 would be a "line in the sand" type moment. The path to the A-10 with basketball is a "more actual revenue now" path, and the develop football with a move to FBS path is "more potential revenue later"

I don't think that having FCS football now precludes someone like George Mason or VCU, or Old Dominion or whomever from joining a conference that doesn't sponsor football. At the end of the day, there's SIX scholarship FCS football conferences for the Eastern 2/3 of the United States. And I can't imagine NBC Sports' TV deal with the CAA is something big.

Everyone with FCS football is in the same boat: "We're spending too much on it, and want to get rid of it, but it will kill our alumni gifts" or "We want to move up to FBS and get in on the big time."

There's five CAA football schools NOW in other conferences (Maine, New Hampshire, Richmond, Rhode Island and Villanova). There's always going to be a group of like-minded FCS schools who can make their own conference.

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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:26 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
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Jerry Palm retweeted that Butler to the A10 was close to being done. Again, solid move for all involved


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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:12 pm 
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Kind of a bummer how everyone has like soap opera drama with the football conferences and then there's the A-10 just quietly hammering out a deal with the candidate that makes the most sense.

Why can't the Mason AD come out and trash Indy?
Why can't Shaka talk smack about what would happen if VCU and Richmond were in the same league again?

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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:30 am 
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Article out of Richmond discussing A-10 expansion at http://www2.timesdispatch.com/sports/20 ... ar-1784486


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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
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Rob Demovsky column: Horizon League's credibility will take hit with loss of Butler


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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:38 pm 
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http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/b ... tlantic-10

CBS' Brett McMurphy - VCU, George Mason, and Butler in discussion to join the A10


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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
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That's a great set of 3. Only ODU could make it any better. If Charlotte goes to the SBC then maybe they can convince ODU to go A-10/MAC.

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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
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That's a great set of 3. Only ODU could make it any better. If Charlotte goes to the SBC then maybe they can convince ODU to go A-10/MAC.
Wow they know what their doing...best expansion plan I've seen since the PAC16 or ACC+UConn/ND.

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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:57 pm 
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tkalmus wrote:
Wow they know what their doing...best expansion plan I've seen since the PAC16 or ACC+UConn/ND.


The best way you can tell they figured it out: The limited number of conference games.

The Linda Bruno schedule policy disaster taught them how RPI REALLY works. Their basketball schedules have been great since.

They play quality mid-majors who will have great records, a couple big boys, and then people they can wail the tar out of to get wins. Their WBB schedule with 14 teams has been 14 games! Gives them more chances to win OOC games and earn wins while not putting a loss on their conference teams.

The only real mystery here is "Who's the last two pairings: Bona-Duquesne and Charlotte-Fordham, or Bona-Fordham and Charlotte-Duquesne?"

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 Post subject: Re: A10 Realignment
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:01 pm 
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Article out of Richmond with comments from CAA Commish,VCU AD,George Mason AD and others denying yesterday's CBS report that VCU and George Mason are in membership discussions with A-10.Link at http://www2.timesdispatch.com/sports/co ... ar-1795081


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