A10 Realignment

tkalmus · **Joined:** Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:40 pm **Posts:** 1043

JPSchmack wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

He's saying UD=Delaware

Understandable mistake, since we're in the A-10 thread and Dayton's an A-10 team.

Also, until the Blue Hens make a men's basketball Final Four, UD means Dayton.

That's why I used UDel its like UMass but better...jk

dbackjon · **Joined:** Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:50 pm **Posts:** 267

JPSchmack wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

He's saying UD=Delaware

Understandable mistake, since we're in the A-10 thread and Dayton's an A-10 team.

Also, until the Blue Hens make a men's basketball Final Four, UD means Dayton.

Until Dayton wins a FCS Football Championship, UD = Delaware

accseahawk · **Posted:** Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:16 pm

Quinn wrote:

accseahawk wrote:

fair enough. This Creighton talk just seems to be coming out of nowhere. I figured though if Charlotte were to leave, A10 would make a push for ODU and have them follow the UMass model for FBS football. ODU, VCU, Richmond, and GMU would be a nice VA flank for the A10.

Only issue is that it's not the A10's call, it's the MAC's. UMass is in the A10 and the MAC for football, because the MAC provided a home for FBS football. For ODU to be in a similar position, they too would need the MAC to answer their calls. Could happen, but if you're the MAC looking at ANOTHER FCS upgrade, wouldn't you push on UD and JMU first, and only ODU if both passed on the one spot?

true but right now the MAC is at 13. By adding UMass the MAC showed they wanted a 14th school. So, if I were the MAC I would push for Charlotte to be that 14th school and for them to follow the UMass model. It would be wise of the MAC to help the A10 out and get some good non conference games from the A10 schools in return.

If Charlotte chooses the Sunbelt over the A10 due to FBS, than I would move on to either JMU or ODU. I picked ODU instead of JMU because they are in a stronger market and their hoops are more attractive to do a non conference bball deal. Plus the A10, if Charlotte left, would love to swoop in and grab ODU along with their desire to get VCU and GMU. It would be a big coup for the A10 to get the power 3 VA basketball schools from the CAA. Throw them in a quadrant with Richmond and the A10 is golden.

*I guess i should clarify that the A10 would do what they can to help ODU get into the MAC for football a la UMASS because of the benefit it would provide the A10 conference.

Lyonheart47 · **Joined:** Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:57 pm **Posts:** 2

dbackjon wrote:

JPSchmack wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

He's saying UD=Delaware

Understandable mistake, since we're in the A-10 thread and Dayton's an A-10 team.

Also, until the Blue Hens make a men's basketball Final Four, UD means Dayton.

Until Dayton wins a FCS Football Championship, UD = Delaware

Until Dayton can claim 6 national titles in football then UD means the Blue Hens.

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3762

accseahawk wrote:

Quinn wrote:

accseahawk wrote:

fair enough. This Creighton talk just seems to be coming out of nowhere. I figured though if Charlotte were to leave, A10 would make a push for ODU and have them follow the UMass model for FBS football. ODU, VCU, Richmond, and GMU would be a nice VA flank for the A10.

Only issue is that it's not the A10's call, it's the MAC's. UMass is in the A10 and the MAC for football, because the MAC provided a home for FBS football. For ODU to be in a similar position, they too would need the MAC to answer their calls. Could happen, but if you're the MAC looking at ANOTHER FCS upgrade, wouldn't you push on UD and JMU first, and only ODU if both passed on the one spot?

true but right now the MAC is at 13. By adding UMass the MAC showed they wanted a 14th school. So, if I were the MAC I would push for Charlotte to be that 14th school and for them to follow the UMass model. It would be wise of the MAC to help the A10 out and get some good non conference games from the A10 schools in return.

If Charlotte chooses the Sunbelt over the A10 due to FBS, than I would move on to either JMU or ODU. I picked ODU instead of JMU because they are in a stronger market and their hoops are more attractive to do a non conference bball deal. Plus the A10, if Charlotte left, would love to swoop in and grab ODU along with their desire to get VCU and GMU. It would be a big coup for the A10 to get the power 3 VA basketball schools from the CAA. Throw them in a quadrant with Richmond and the A10 is golden.

*I guess i should clarify that the A10 would do what they can to help ODU get into the MAC for football a la UMASS because of the benefit it would provide the A10 conference.

They added UMass to keep Temple happy. Not saying they didn't want UMass. But if you create a contract that says that if Temple leaves, that they can kick out the incoming school, it's not a sign that they are overly happy with the membership addition. They are protecting themselves. If they don't feel that there is a #14 FB only member that satisfies them, it is easier to just let UMass go after the 2 year contract stipulations. If App St. wants in sure, they'll take them. but if the other FCS upgrade schools, Charlotte and GA St. go elsewhere and there are no options, what is the MAC to do? Keep at 13 with Umass? Maybe if it proves to help the MAC over 2 years. But only time will tell.

JPSchmack · **Joined:** Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:21 pm **Posts:** 851

Lyonheart47 wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

JPSchmack wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

He's saying UD=Delaware

Understandable mistake, since we're in the A-10 thread and Dayton's an A-10 team.

Also, until the Blue Hens make a men's basketball Final Four, UD means Dayton.

Until Dayton wins a FCS Football Championship, UD = Delaware

Until Dayton can claim 6 national titles in football then UD means the Blue Hens.

The Flyers are FCS non-scholarship national champions by TSN practically every year.

accseahawk · **Posted:** Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:42 pm

Quinn wrote:

accseahawk wrote:

Quinn wrote:

accseahawk wrote:

fair enough. This Creighton talk just seems to be coming out of nowhere. I figured though if Charlotte were to leave, A10 would make a push for ODU and have them follow the UMass model for FBS football. ODU, VCU, Richmond, and GMU would be a nice VA flank for the A10.

Only issue is that it's not the A10's call, it's the MAC's. UMass is in the A10 and the MAC for football, because the MAC provided a home for FBS football. For ODU to be in a similar position, they too would need the MAC to answer their calls. Could happen, but if you're the MAC looking at ANOTHER FCS upgrade, wouldn't you push on UD and JMU first, and only ODU if both passed on the one spot?

true but right now the MAC is at 13. By adding UMass the MAC showed they wanted a 14th school. So, if I were the MAC I would push for Charlotte to be that 14th school and for them to follow the UMass model. It would be wise of the MAC to help the A10 out and get some good non conference games from the A10 schools in return.

If Charlotte chooses the Sunbelt over the A10 due to FBS, than I would move on to either JMU or ODU. I picked ODU instead of JMU because they are in a stronger market and their hoops are more attractive to do a non conference bball deal. Plus the A10, if Charlotte left, would love to swoop in and grab ODU along with their desire to get VCU and GMU. It would be a big coup for the A10 to get the power 3 VA basketball schools from the CAA. Throw them in a quadrant with Richmond and the A10 is golden.

*I guess i should clarify that the A10 would do what they can to help ODU get into the MAC for football a la UMASS because of the benefit it would provide the A10 conference.

They added UMass to keep Temple happy. Not saying they didn't want UMass. But if you create a contract that says that if Temple leaves, that they can kick out the incoming school, it's not a sign that they are overly happy with the membership addition. They are protecting themselves. If they don't feel that there is a #14 FB only member that satisfies them, it is easier to just let UMass go after the 2 year contract stipulations. If App St. wants in sure, they'll take them. but if the other FCS upgrade schools, Charlotte and GA St. go elsewhere and there are no options, what is the MAC to do? Keep at 13 with Umass? Maybe if it proves to help the MAC over 2 years. But only time will tell.

this is true. UMass' only threat to leave is an all sports membership to Big East a la Temple. I don't think that is going to be coming there way anytime soon, particularly if UConn stays in the Big East, but I defer to your judgement on that one. So, I think UMass and MAC make it work at MAC begins recruiting a 14th school. Charlotte and ODU are the two most likely but Charlotte may want Sunbelt over the MAC/A10 model. Either way I just don't think MAC leaves UMass homeless because like Temple they offer a nice market which helps their meager TV contract. Coupled with another nice market in either ODU or Charlotte, the MAC will have two affiliate schools to help in tv negotiations and distribution. win win partnership and no need to burn bridges.

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:11 pm

Quinn wrote:

accseahawk wrote:

Quinn wrote:

accseahawk wrote:

fair enough. This Creighton talk just seems to be coming out of nowhere. I figured though if Charlotte were to leave, A10 would make a push for ODU and have them follow the UMass model for FBS football. ODU, VCU, Richmond, and GMU would be a nice VA flank for the A10.

Only issue is that it's not the A10's call, it's the MAC's. UMass is in the A10 and the MAC for football, because the MAC provided a home for FBS football. For ODU to be in a similar position, they too would need the MAC to answer their calls. Could happen, but if you're the MAC looking at ANOTHER FCS upgrade, wouldn't you push on UD and JMU first, and only ODU if both passed on the one spot?

true but right now the MAC is at 13. By adding UMass the MAC showed they wanted a 14th school. So, if I were the MAC I would push for Charlotte to be that 14th school and for them to follow the UMass model. It would be wise of the MAC to help the A10 out and get some good non conference games from the A10 schools in return.

If Charlotte chooses the Sunbelt over the A10 due to FBS, than I would move on to either JMU or ODU. I picked ODU instead of JMU because they are in a stronger market and their hoops are more attractive to do a non conference bball deal. Plus the A10, if Charlotte left, would love to swoop in and grab ODU along with their desire to get VCU and GMU. It would be a big coup for the A10 to get the power 3 VA basketball schools from the CAA. Throw them in a quadrant with Richmond and the A10 is golden.

*I guess i should clarify that the A10 would do what they can to help ODU get into the MAC for football a la UMASS because of the benefit it would provide the A10 conference.

They added UMass to keep Temple happy. Not saying they didn't want UMass. But if you create a contract that says that if Temple leaves, that they can kick out the incoming school, it's not a sign that they are overly happy with the membership addition. They are protecting themselves. If they don't feel that there is a #14 FB only member that satisfies them, it is easier to just let UMass go after the 2 year contract stipulations. If App St. wants in sure, they'll take them. but if the other FCS upgrade schools, Charlotte and GA St. go elsewhere and there are no options, what is the MAC to do? Keep at 13 with Umass? Maybe if it proves to help the MAC over 2 years. But only time will tell.

Illinois St. is doing an FBS study, but really the only way the MAC could get away w/ another fb only would have to be an A-10 school, like Charlotte. Or if Charlotte goes to the SBC for all sports, then A10 wants ODU, you could offer them fb only.

freaked4collegefb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:37 pm **Posts:** 7098

Indy Star article reporting that Butler is still "studying" whether to leave the Horizon league for a conference " like" the A-10.Link at http://www.indystar.com/article/2012040 ... t%7CSports

Lyonheart47 · **Joined:** Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:57 pm **Posts:** 2

JPSchmack wrote:

Lyonheart47 wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

JPSchmack wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

He's saying UD=Delaware

Understandable mistake, since we're in the A-10 thread and Dayton's an A-10 team.

Also, until the Blue Hens make a men's basketball Final Four, UD means Dayton.

Until Dayton wins a FCS Football Championship, UD = Delaware

Until Dayton can claim 6 national titles in football then UD means the Blue Hens.

The Flyers are FCS non-scholarship national champions by TSN practically every year.

Ok, and that's supposed to be impressive? Only 18 schools compete at the D-1 non-scholarship level. Not to mention you'd need to subtract 7 from that number since the Patriot League competes for the regular 1-AA title. So your talking about a mythological national championship between 11 schools that is decided by one magazine/sports network? Yea, UD means Delaware.

JPSchmack · **Joined:** Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:21 pm **Posts:** 851

Lyonheart47 wrote:

JPSchmack wrote:

Lyonheart47 wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

JPSchmack wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

He's saying UD=Delaware

Understandable mistake, since we're in the A-10 thread and Dayton's an A-10 team.

Also, until the Blue Hens make a men's basketball Final Four, UD means Dayton.

Until Dayton wins a FCS Football Championship, UD = Delaware

Until Dayton can claim 6 national titles in football then UD means the Blue Hens.

The Flyers are FCS non-scholarship national champions by TSN practically every year.

Ok, and that's supposed to be impressive? Only 18 schools compete at the D-1 non-scholarship level. Not to mention you'd need to subtract 7 from that number since the Patriot League competes for the regular 1-AA title. So your talking about a mythological national championship between 11 schools that is decided by one magazine/sports network? Yea, UD means Delaware.

No, it's no supposed to be impressive. If you don't play it at the highest level in college athletics, no one cares. Hence the UD with the most success in something that matters = Dayton men's basketball.

But enough of this trivial debate...

freaked4collegefb wrote:

Indy Star article reporting that Butler is still "studying" whether to leave the Horizon league for a conference " like" the A-10.Link at http://www.indystar.com/article/2012040 ... t%7CSports

One impediment to Butler joining the A-10 would be travel costs for sports other than men's basketball. The A-10 is more far-flung than the geographically compressed Horizon League.

Really not that big of a deal. The increase in travel for MBB/WBB is absorbed (A) by additional TV revenue and (B) by playing those old conference mates who are nice and close in OOC play.

for non-basketball sports, it's not a big deal, because they'll use some kind of divisional schedule formula for non-revenue sports. Butler would play SLU, Xavier, Dayton, Duquesne every year in sports like soccer, baseball, volleyball and rotate through the other opponents to keep costs down.

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3762

VCU and GMU expected to join A10 on May 1:

http://collegesportsinfo.com/2012/04/20 ... ay-1-2012/

accseahawk · **Posted:** Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:18 pm

Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein
VCU sources deny report that they're headed to A-10 on May 1 w George Mason + Butler. "Nothing to it," source said.

A-10 commish Bernadette McGlade and CAA commish Tom Yeager deny report GMU and VCU are heading to A-10.
— Andy Katz (@ESPNAndyKatz) April 20, 2012

the news leak is coming from somewhere though, so its probably in the unofficially official stage

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3762

accseahawk wrote:

Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein
VCU sources deny report that they're headed to A-10 on May 1 w George Mason + Butler. "Nothing to it," source said.

A-10 commish Bernadette McGlade and CAA commish Tom Yeager deny report GMU and VCU are heading to A-10.
— Andy Katz (@ESPNAndyKatz) April 20, 2012

the news leak is coming from somewhere though, so its probably in the unofficially official stage

Indeed. Denial is likely because of the May 1 date, which is untrue...since the schools aren't going to leave the conference in the middle of the spring sports season. Announcement on 5/1 is one thing.

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:40 pm

Why is there nothing on Butler joining by May 1? What is the hold up on their unofficial announcement?

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