A10 Realignment

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3757

Butler's holdup, likely same as VCU/GMU, is the exit fee assistance. For VCU/GMU, it's likely help with tourney shares lost. For Butler, I do know part of the negotiations has to do with money to help boost the Butler athletic budget. My theory is the A10 will use the Temple shares they are leaving behind.

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:51 pm

Quinn wrote:

Butler's holdup, likely same as VCU/GMU, is the exit fee assistance. For VCU/GMU, it's likely help with tourney shares lost. For Butler, I do know part of the negotiations has to do with money to help boost the Butler athletic budget. My theory is the A10 will use the Temple shares they are leaving behind.

I hope they're smart enough to go w/ your theory. It would be a crime if they didn't move because they didn't get to keep their shares. A10>Horizon w/ 2 championship shares in the long run. This is a 50-100 year move for Butler. Strike while the iron is hot.

dbackjon · **Joined:** Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:50 pm **Posts:** 267

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

Quinn wrote:

Butler's holdup, likely same as VCU/GMU, is the exit fee assistance. For VCU/GMU, it's likely help with tourney shares lost. For Butler, I do know part of the negotiations has to do with money to help boost the Butler athletic budget. My theory is the A10 will use the Temple shares they are leaving behind.

I hope they're smart enough to go w/ your theory. It would be a crime if they didn't move because they didn't get to keep their shares. A10>Horizon w/ 2 championship shares in the long run. This is a 50-100 year move for Butler. Strike while the iron is hot.

Butler move is a no brainer.

VCU/GMU I am not sold on - think they are better off in the long run where they are at, especially once the nBe explodes.

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:47 pm

this was my post to you about that on the csn board
GMU and VCU won't have to worry. If the BE splits and takes Xavier, Dayton, St.Louis. A10>CAA and they would just raid the CAA or HL again for 3 members. They'd still have 13 after a BE raid. CAA has ODU and a bunch of schools that haven't made the tourney in forever. UNCW had a good streak in the mid 00s but fell off after wainewright left. ODU will end up in the A10/MAC or SBC down the road anyway.

CUSA didn't all of a sudden become better after the BE lost all the fb schools. The BE simply raided CUSA again and the MWC this time.

freaked4collegefb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:37 pm **Posts:** 7063

Article out of Richmond discussing VCU denial of another VCU to the A-10 anonymously sourced report at http://www.wtvr.com/2012/04/20/vcu-deni ... conference

dbackjon · **Joined:** Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:50 pm **Posts:** 267

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

this was my post to you about that on the csn board
GMU and VCU won't have to worry. If the BE splits and takes Xavier, Dayton, St.Louis. A10>CAA and they would just raid the CAA or HL again for 3 members. They'd still have 13 after a BE raid. CAA has ODU and a bunch of schools that haven't made the tourney in forever. UNCW had a good streak in the mid 00s but fell off after wainewright left. ODU will end up in the A10/MAC or SBC down the road anyway.

CUSA didn't all of a sudden become better after the BE lost all the fb schools. The BE simply raided CUSA again and the MWC this time.

If XU, SLU and UD leave for Catholic Conference, and Charlotte goes to SunBelt, A-10 has this left:

Fordham - last bid 1992
Duquesne - last bid 1977
Rhode Island - last bid 1999
UMass - last bid 1998
LaSalle- last bid 1992
St Bonnies - one bid last 12 years
GWU - last bid 2007

And then the two remaining marquee schools, St. Joes and Richmond. Even St. Joes hasn't had a bid in 5 years.

Only schools with bids in last 4 years - St. Bonnies and Richmond.

And yes, the CAA strength is the Virginia trio of GMU/ODU and VCU as far as recent bids go. Whereever those three land will be the stronger conference

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:44 pm

dbackjon wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

this was my post to you about that on the csn board
GMU and VCU won't have to worry. If the BE splits and takes Xavier, Dayton, St.Louis. A10>CAA and they would just raid the CAA or HL again for 3 members. They'd still have 13 after a BE raid. CAA has ODU and a bunch of schools that haven't made the tourney in forever. UNCW had a good streak in the mid 00s but fell off after wainewright left. ODU will end up in the A10/MAC or SBC down the road anyway.

CUSA didn't all of a sudden become better after the BE lost all the fb schools. The BE simply raided CUSA again and the MWC this time.

If XU, SLU and UD leave for Catholic Conference, and Charlotte goes to SunBelt, A-10 has this left:

Fordham - last bid 1992
Duquesne - last bid 1977
Rhode Island - last bid 1999
UMass - last bid 1998
LaSalle- last bid 1992
St Bonnies - one bid last 12 years
GWU - last bid 2007

And then the two remaining marquee schools, St. Joes and Richmond. Even St. Joes hasn't had a bid in 5 years.

Only schools with bids in last 4 years - St. Bonnies and Richmond.

And yes, the CAA strength is the Virginia trio of GMU/ODU and VCU as far as recent bids go. Whereever those three land will be the stronger conference

Well, since they are join the A10 now and The BE hasn't split A10 wins because they'll have GMU, VCU, Butler. Charlotte will be replace w/ ODU as long as ODU doesn't go to the SBC. ODU could be A10/ MAC fb. Same thing about CAA remaining schools. Only UNCW has gone to the tourney other than ODU in 10 year. Plus the others like UD, Drexel, Hofstra etc haven't ever been to the NCAA since joining the CAA. Only UNCW and ODU have got invites since being in the CAA, out of the 9 left.

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:50 pm

Going to the A10
NCAA Tour. Bids School Last Bid Last Win Last Sweet 16 Last Elite 8 Last Final 4 Last Champ. Game Last Championship
11 Old Dominion 2011 2010
11 VCU 2012 2012 2011 2011 2011
7 Northeastern 1991 1984
6 George Mason 2011 2011 2006 2006 2006
4 UNC-Wilmington 2006 2002
4 Delaware 1999
4 Drexel 1996 1996
4 James Madison 1994 1983
4 Hofstra 2001
2 Georgia State 2001 2001
2 Towson 1991
A10 still better w/ Butler, then add VCU, GMU, and maybe ODU later. Plus I've lost all hope that the BE will ever split.
Going to BE, May go if BE splits, SBC
30 Temple 2012 2011 2001 2001 1958
23 Xavier 2012 2012 2012 2008
19 Saint Joseph's 2008 2004 2004 2004 1961
14 Dayton 2009 2009 1984 1984 1967 1967
11 La Salle 1992 1990 1955 1955 1955 1955 1954
11 Charlotte 2005 2001 1977 1977 1977
10 George Washington2007 2006 1993
9 Richmond 2011 2011 2011
8 Massachusetts 1998 1996 1996 1996 1996
8 Rhode Island 1999 1998 1998 1998
7 Saint Louis 2012 2012 1957 1952
6 Saint Bonaventure2012 1970 1970 1970 1970
5 Duquesne 1977 1969 1969 1952 1940
4 Fordham 1992 1971 1971

freaked4collegefb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:37 pm **Posts:** 7063

Article out of Richmond discussing latest round of A-10 expansion rumor denials at http://www2.timesdispatch.com/sports/20 ... ar-1858475

freaked4collegefb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:37 pm **Posts:** 7063

Article out of Hampton Roads discussing latest reports of VCU and George Mason leaving the CAA for the A-10 at http://www.dailypress.com/sports/colleg ... 0918.story

JPSchmack · **Joined:** Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:21 pm **Posts:** 851

dbackjon wrote:

If XU, SLU and UD leave for Catholic Conference, and Charlotte goes to SunBelt, A-10 has this left:
Fordham - last bid 1992
Duquesne - last bid 1977
Rhode Island - last bid 1999
UMass - last bid 1998
LaSalle- last bid 1992
St Bonnies - one bid last 12 years
GWU - last bid 2007

And then the two remaining marquee schools, St. Joes and Richmond. Even St. Joes hasn't had a bid in 5 years.

Only schools with bids in last 4 years - St. Bonnies and Richmond.

And yes, the CAA strength is the Virginia trio of GMU/ODU and VCU as far as recent bids go. Whereever those three land will be the stronger conference

"one bid in 12 years" = two bids in 13 years.

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3757

dbackjon wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

this was my post to you about that on the csn board
GMU and VCU won't have to worry. If the BE splits and takes Xavier, Dayton, St.Louis. A10>CAA and they would just raid the CAA or HL again for 3 members. They'd still have 13 after a BE raid. CAA has ODU and a bunch of schools that haven't made the tourney in forever. UNCW had a good streak in the mid 00s but fell off after wainewright left. ODU will end up in the A10/MAC or SBC down the road anyway.

CUSA didn't all of a sudden become better after the BE lost all the fb schools. The BE simply raided CUSA again and the MWC this time.

If XU, SLU and UD leave for Catholic Conference, and Charlotte goes to SunBelt, A-10 has this left:

Fordham - last bid 1992
Duquesne - last bid 1977
Rhode Island - last bid 1999
UMass - last bid 1998
LaSalle- last bid 1992
St Bonnies - one bid last 12 years
GWU - last bid 2007

And then the two remaining marquee schools, St. Joes and Richmond. Even St. Joes hasn't had a bid in 5 years.

Only schools with bids in last 4 years - St. Bonnies and Richmond.

And yes, the CAA strength is the Virginia trio of GMU/ODU and VCU as far as recent bids go. Whereever those three land will be the stronger conference

Catholic Conference? We're still talking about that? If think the 14 additions to the Big East in recent years put an end to split talk

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dbackjon · **Joined:** Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:50 pm **Posts:** 267

Quinn wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

this was my post to you about that on the csn board
GMU and VCU won't have to worry. If the BE splits and takes Xavier, Dayton, St.Louis. A10>CAA and they would just raid the CAA or HL again for 3 members. They'd still have 13 after a BE raid. CAA has ODU and a bunch of schools that haven't made the tourney in forever. UNCW had a good streak in the mid 00s but fell off after wainewright left. ODU will end up in the A10/MAC or SBC down the road anyway.

CUSA didn't all of a sudden become better after the BE lost all the fb schools. The BE simply raided CUSA again and the MWC this time.

If XU, SLU and UD leave for Catholic Conference, and Charlotte goes to SunBelt, A-10 has this left:

Fordham - last bid 1992
Duquesne - last bid 1977
Rhode Island - last bid 1999
UMass - last bid 1998
LaSalle- last bid 1992
St Bonnies - one bid last 12 years
GWU - last bid 2007

And then the two remaining marquee schools, St. Joes and Richmond. Even St. Joes hasn't had a bid in 5 years.

Only schools with bids in last 4 years - St. Bonnies and Richmond.

And yes, the CAA strength is the Virginia trio of GMU/ODU and VCU as far as recent bids go. Whereever those three land will be the stronger conference

Catholic Conference? We're still talking about that? If think the 14 additions to the Big East in recent years put an end to split talk

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All the dressing up still has not solved or addressed the core instability of the Big East.

JPSchmack · **Joined:** Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:21 pm **Posts:** 851

The idea of a 16-team A-10 with Butler, Mason, and VCU is exciting as an A-10 guy.

Too bad it comes without Temple. I wish we had never invited Fordham and LaSalle and had a 16-team lineup with:
Temple, Xavier, Dayton, Saint Louis, Butler, VCU, Richmond, George Mason, St. Bona, St. Joe's, URI, UMass, Duquesne, GW, Charlotte and Davidson.

But what's driving me nuts about the realignment for the A-10 is all these stories online saying stupid **** that shows how little they actually know about the A-10 and it's quality of basketball.

Things like:
"…if a move does happen, the Atlantic 10 would immedirately become the mid-major dream team"

Uh, no. We'd be adding the mid-major dream team to A MAJOR CONFERENCE. We're the only non-BCS league that averages 3 bids a season. "Mid-Major" means "conferences that sometimes get at-large bids." By current membership, A-10 has like 40% of all the non-BCS at-large bids since 1985. The A-10 AVERAGES three bids. We've had FIVE bids more than we've ever had one bid.

"Adding 3 programs of VCU, GM, and Butler’s stature sure does bring immediate respectability to the A-10."

No, I think that our members have 147 NCAA bids, 10 Final Fours and 21 Elite Eight appearances all-time is what brought respectability to the A-10 a long-ass time ago.

When your conference regular season champ gets a bid, regardless of winning the conference tournament, that's a respectable conference (WCC, MVC, CAA, Horizon, C-USA). If the eight-smallest school in the country can get an at-large because they're in your conference, that's a MAJOR conference.

It drives me insane. If we had mediocre football like the Big East, the media would be calling it "The Power Seven Conferences."

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:05 am

JPSchmack wrote:

The idea of a 16-team A-10 with Butler, Mason, and VCU is exciting as an A-10 guy.

Too bad it comes without Temple. I wish we had never invited Fordham and LaSalle and had a 16-team lineup with:
Temple, Xavier, Dayton, Saint Louis, Butler, VCU, Richmond, George Mason, St. Bona, St. Joe's, URI, UMass, Duquesne, GW, Charlotte and Davidson.

But what's driving me nuts about the realignment for the A-10 is all these stories online saying stupid **** that shows how little they actually know about the A-10 and it's quality of basketball.

Things like:
"…if a move does happen, the Atlantic 10 would immedirately become the mid-major dream team"

Uh, no. We'd be adding the mid-major dream team to A MAJOR CONFERENCE. We're the only non-BCS league that averages 3 bids a season. "Mid-Major" means "conferences that sometimes get at-large bids." By current membership, A-10 has like 40% of all the non-BCS at-large bids since 1985. The A-10 AVERAGES three bids. We've had FIVE bids more than we've ever had one bid.

"Adding 3 programs of VCU, GM, and Butler’s stature sure does bring immediate respectability to the A-10."

No, I think that our members have 147 NCAA bids, 10 Final Fours and 21 Elite Eight appearances all-time is what brought respectability to the A-10 a long-ass time ago.

When your conference regular season champ gets a bid, regardless of winning the conference tournament, that's a respectable conference (WCC, MVC, CAA, Horizon, C-USA). If the eight-smallest school in the country can get an at-large because they're in your conference, that's a MAJOR conference.

It drives me insane. If we had mediocre football like the Big East, the media would be calling it "The Power Seven Conferences."

Don't you know you have to play in a BCS game to be a major conference. :lol:

So when UMass wins the BCS title game they'll talk about how they brought you up from the depths of hell. You should let the those writers know that iddy bitty conference had Temple and St.Joseph's and UMass as 1 seeds over the last 25 years.

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