The Bishin Cutter wrote:
Yeah, I think the more distressing thing is here that Boise hasn't formally withdrawn.
However they are CERTAINLY on the list for the Big XII.
Right, they are attainable. That isn't the same as desirable. If the conference could have gotten Arkansas and Pitt, or BYU and AFA, like they apparently wanted, the WVU-UL situation wouldn't have happened.
I don't know if the B12 goes to UL now with a west coast guy as their commissioner. Maybe this is where you close the door on UL and go to UNM, BYU, AFA, CSU, or grow a big set and talk to one of the PAC-12 geographic outliers.
It's semantics, I know. But I believe there's a big difference between wanting ND and getting UL instead. I think the Big XII will get UL. I also think they may only get Tulane, UNM, or Rice with that, too. None of them "desired."
How many times do we have to repeat this on this board, Pitt, Air Force, and BYU never turned down a Big 12 invite because none were never offered. Only Arkansas and Notre Dame had open invitations to join the Big 12. All three may have been in talks with the Big 12, there were never any formal invites.
If Pitt had not received an invitation to the ACC and jumped on the first change to get out of the failing Big East, the Big 12 would have most likely taken Pitt, WVU and Louisville as a package deal. With the latest TV contracts based on revenue and BCS changes, the Pitt move to the ACC was not really a good move based on football and revenue.
The WVU would have never happened only if Arkansas and Notre Dame would have joined the Big 12, otherwise, WVU would have been in the mix regardless of what direction the Big 12 took with expansion.
Let me repeat this again, the Big 12 and BYU did not come to any agreement and BYU decided to not peruse the Big 12 any longer. That is not the same as turning down and invite. If the Big 12 insist you must be willing to play on Sundays and BYU insist we will not, that is not turning down an offer to join. If I am requiting an employee and insist they must work some weekends to meet the job requirements and they are not willing to work any weekends. Did they turn the job down or did I actually make an offer? I never would make an offer to someone that could not meet the job requirements.
Maybe Air Force could have got an invite if they had not opening admitted the school could not compete in the Big 12 due to restrictions of the academy. This again is not turning down and invite. It is just being commendable in opening admitting to a desire to remain in league where a school can compete. There are many BCS schools in leagues they are not competitive could learn something from Air Force and not just follow the money trail.
Again if a perspective employee told me that really could not perform the job very well, would I extend the offer anyway?
With BYU out as a candidate because the Big 12 and BYU could not agree, Air Force was less of a target to be a travel partner anyway. The Big 12 was always up front on expanding either east or west and not in both directions to avoid stretching the footprint any more than necessary.
Discussions that take place in back rooms on expansion are not opening known and everything else is just pure speculation.
Regardless of the circumstances, the Big 12 should be patting itself on the back for getting TCU and WVU. Both additions did not impact the ability to command a new TV contract similar to the other three power football leagues of Pac 12, SEC, and Big Ten.
Most preseason polls have both TCU and WVU in the top 20 providing the Big 12 a majority of its members in the top 25.
With football driving the revenue bus, would the TV contact had been the same with BYU and Air Force in place of WVU and TCU?
Guess we will never know and am sure the Big 12 does not care as well.
So what is your point of bringing up WVU and TCU got invites because Pitt, Air Force, and BYU supposedly turned down offers?