WAC General Realignment Thread

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Tue May 29, 2012 6:09 pm

dbackjon wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

seanbo wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Scared to move up? Damn, that is some arrogant bullshit.

Some schools realize that actually playing for a NC is far better than having 5 home games, three body bag games, and no shot at anything, other than a Toliet Bowl.

The SunBelt, WAC and other than a couple of teams from the CUSA, THAT is crap football - they don't matter, just too full of themselves to realize it.

or they just want their shot at being the next Boise State

Or they just want to compete at the highest level. FCS doesn't offer that. Most of the world doesn't know or care who won the FCS title. It's like being the NIT champ. The ones moving up figure it's better to be in an opening round game of the NCAA tourney(New Orleans Bowl) than be the NIT champ. I don't think anyone is scared to move up, they are either unable to afford it or happy to play in the NIT.

Sorry, but the FCS championship is NOT the NIT. A toliet bowl is lOWER than the NIT.

Unless you are in the big conferences, FBS is a money losing. third tier experience. Might as well stay in FCS, and actually PLAY for something - the thing that every other sport does.

Getting into the Sunbelt, etc doesn;t mean you are playing or competing at the highest level. Anyone that thinks that is a fucking moron, frankly.

Hell, the second best team in the Sunbelch last year got smoked AT HOME by a team too weak to even make the playoffs.

SunBelt football is worse than CAA, Big SKy, Southern or MVFC football.

Sure they are, they play Alabama and have the same FBS letters by their name. You can make a poll here or on the the csn board, that will show that most people would rather be a FBS member than be FCS. Troy gets to be on tv 2 or 3 times a year. In FCS you have to make it to the semi finals to make it on tv. FCS loses money too. FBS get double the pay for a body bag vs FCS. NAU was in touble a couple of years ago, so lets not act like FCS doesn't lose money. I watch the FCS, but I'm speaking for most of the world that doesn't even know they exist. None of my friends and fam can name more than 1 FCS school. The 2 UCD grads would be the exception. They know CP, Sac St. too so that's 3 schools. Seems to me a lot of the move ups hope to be the next Nevada, BSU, Troy, why not shoot for the best? More air time too(weeknight espn, highlights on espn), school Prez' love that.

NAU can play Alabama as well. Neither of us are going to get a home game against Alabama.
No one, outside of these boards or hard-core football fans, know who Troy is. All the "exposure" means jack.

If a school wants to go to the mediocrity of the SunBelt - have at it.
But the attitude that schools are stupid to turn down an offer to go to a 10th-rate FBS confernence vs staying in a first rate FCS conference is ASSININE. Some schools feel FCS is BEST for them.

Fresno has had home games against Oregon, Kansas St., Oregon St., Wisconsin, and we aren't big time.
Not all BCS schools allow themselves to play FCS schools. Plus Troy gets 800K for a body bag while FCS schools only 450K. So you're saying you're smarter than all/any those FCS to FBS Prez' that made the move. Many have made the move, no one has gone back to FCS from FBS since 1983 or 84. Some win games some don't. Most have ups and downs. my friends may not know Troy, but they know, Nevada, Boise, Idaho. I'm sure they avg fans in the south know Troy, MTSU who both are move ups. They've been to bowls and on tv so people have seen them.

dbackjon · **Joined:** Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:50 pm **Posts:** 267

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

seanbo wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Scared to move up? Damn, that is some arrogant bullshit.

Some schools realize that actually playing for a NC is far better than having 5 home games, three body bag games, and no shot at anything, other than a Toliet Bowl.

The SunBelt, WAC and other than a couple of teams from the CUSA, THAT is crap football - they don't matter, just too full of themselves to realize it.

or they just want their shot at being the next Boise State

Or they just want to compete at the highest level. FCS doesn't offer that. Most of the world doesn't know or care who won the FCS title. It's like being the NIT champ. The ones moving up figure it's better to be in an opening round game of the NCAA tourney(New Orleans Bowl) than be the NIT champ. I don't think anyone is scared to move up, they are either unable to afford it or happy to play in the NIT.

Sorry, but the FCS championship is NOT the NIT. A toliet bowl is lOWER than the NIT.

Unless you are in the big conferences, FBS is a money losing. third tier experience. Might as well stay in FCS, and actually PLAY for something - the thing that every other sport does.

Getting into the Sunbelt, etc doesn;t mean you are playing or competing at the highest level. Anyone that thinks that is a fucking moron, frankly.

Hell, the second best team in the Sunbelch last year got smoked AT HOME by a team too weak to even make the playoffs.

SunBelt football is worse than CAA, Big SKy, Southern or MVFC football.

Sure they are, they play Alabama and have the same FBS letters by their name. You can make a poll here or on the the csn board, that will show that most people would rather be a FBS member than be FCS. Troy gets to be on tv 2 or 3 times a year. In FCS you have to make it to the semi finals to make it on tv. FCS loses money too. FBS get double the pay for a body bag vs FCS. NAU was in touble a couple of years ago, so lets not act like FCS doesn't lose money. I watch the FCS, but I'm speaking for most of the world that doesn't even know they exist. None of my friends and fam can name more than 1 FCS school. The 2 UCD grads would be the exception. They know CP, Sac St. too so that's 3 schools. Seems to me a lot of the move ups hope to be the next Nevada, BSU, Troy, why not shoot for the best? More air time too(weeknight espn, highlights on espn), school Prez' love that.

NAU can play Alabama as well. Neither of us are going to get a home game against Alabama.
No one, outside of these boards or hard-core football fans, know who Troy is. All the "exposure" means jack.

If a school wants to go to the mediocrity of the SunBelt - have at it.
But the attitude that schools are stupid to turn down an offer to go to a 10th-rate FBS confernence vs staying in a first rate FCS conference is ASSININE. Some schools feel FCS is BEST for them.

Fresno has had home games against Oregon, Kansas St., Oregon St., Wisconsin, and we aren't big time.
Not all BCS schools allow themselves to play FCS schools. Plus Troy gets 800K for a body bag while FCS schools only 450K. So you're saying you're smarter than all/any those FCS to FBS Prez' that made the move. Many have made the move, no one has gone back to FCS from FBS since 1983 or 84. Some win games some don't. Most have ups and downs. my friends may not know Troy, but they know, Nevada, Boise, Idaho. I'm sure they avg fans in the south know Troy, MTSU who both are move ups. They've been to bowls and on tv so people have seen them.

People in TN don't even know who MTSU is, or that they have a football team.

The Old WAC teams/MWC are a big step up from the Sunbelt (except Idaho, who never should have moved to FBS).

Whoopie, Troy gets extra money to pay for the extra 44 schollies they fund, and the 1/2 million they lose when they make a bowl game.

Bigger EGOs doesn't mean you are smarter - just means you are compensating for something.

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Tue May 29, 2012 8:57 pm

dbackjon wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

seanbo wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Scared to move up? Damn, that is some arrogant bullshit.

Some schools realize that actually playing for a NC is far better than having 5 home games, three body bag games, and no shot at anything, other than a Toliet Bowl.

The SunBelt, WAC and other than a couple of teams from the CUSA, THAT is crap football - they don't matter, just too full of themselves to realize it.

or they just want their shot at being the next Boise State

Or they just want to compete at the highest level. FCS doesn't offer that. Most of the world doesn't know or care who won the FCS title. It's like being the NIT champ. The ones moving up figure it's better to be in an opening round game of the NCAA tourney(New Orleans Bowl) than be the NIT champ. I don't think anyone is scared to move up, they are either unable to afford it or happy to play in the NIT.

Sorry, but the FCS championship is NOT the NIT. A toliet bowl is lOWER than the NIT.

Unless you are in the big conferences, FBS is a money losing. third tier experience. Might as well stay in FCS, and actually PLAY for something - the thing that every other sport does.

Getting into the Sunbelt, etc doesn;t mean you are playing or competing at the highest level. Anyone that thinks that is a fucking moron, frankly.

Hell, the second best team in the Sunbelch last year got smoked AT HOME by a team too weak to even make the playoffs.

SunBelt football is worse than CAA, Big SKy, Southern or MVFC football.

Sure they are, they play Alabama and have the same FBS letters by their name. You can make a poll here or on the the csn board, that will show that most people would rather be a FBS member than be FCS. Troy gets to be on tv 2 or 3 times a year. In FCS you have to make it to the semi finals to make it on tv. FCS loses money too. FBS get double the pay for a body bag vs FCS. NAU was in touble a couple of years ago, so lets not act like FCS doesn't lose money. I watch the FCS, but I'm speaking for most of the world that doesn't even know they exist. None of my friends and fam can name more than 1 FCS school. The 2 UCD grads would be the exception. They know CP, Sac St. too so that's 3 schools. Seems to me a lot of the move ups hope to be the next Nevada, BSU, Troy, why not shoot for the best? More air time too(weeknight espn, highlights on espn), school Prez' love that.

NAU can play Alabama as well. Neither of us are going to get a home game against Alabama.
No one, outside of these boards or hard-core football fans, know who Troy is. All the "exposure" means jack.

If a school wants to go to the mediocrity of the SunBelt - have at it.
But the attitude that schools are stupid to turn down an offer to go to a 10th-rate FBS confernence vs staying in a first rate FCS conference is ASSININE. Some schools feel FCS is BEST for them.

Fresno has had home games against Oregon, Kansas St., Oregon St., Wisconsin, and we aren't big time.
Not all BCS schools allow themselves to play FCS schools. Plus Troy gets 800K for a body bag while FCS schools only 450K. So you're saying you're smarter than all/any those FCS to FBS Prez' that made the move. Many have made the move, no one has gone back to FCS from FBS since 1983 or 84. Some win games some don't. Most have ups and downs. my friends may not know Troy, but they know, Nevada, Boise, Idaho. I'm sure they avg fans in the south know Troy, MTSU who both are move ups. They've been to bowls and on tv so people have seen them.

People in TN don't even know who MTSU is, or that they have a football team.

The Old WAC teams/MWC are a big step up from the Sunbelt (except Idaho, who never should have moved to FBS).

Whoopie, Troy gets extra money to pay for the extra 44 schollies they fund, and the 1/2 million they lose when they make a bowl game.

Bigger EGOs doesn't mean you are smarter - just means you are compensating for something.

So all the Prez of fcs move ups have small dicks :twisted:

fighting muskie · **Joined:** Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:47 am **Posts:** 380

New guy here but a big follower of realignment. If Idaho and New Mexico St could somehow negotiate football-only invites to the SBC I could see the WAC surviving as a non-football conference by adding Utah Valley, Cal St Bakersfield, and anyone else they can convince to join. If not, Idaho and NMSU have got to start considering their FCS options.

dafoeberezin3494 · **Posted:** Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:32 pm

fighting muskie wrote:

New guy here but a big follower of realignment. If Idaho and New Mexico St could somehow negotiate football-only invites to the SBC I could see the WAC surviving as a non-football conference by adding Utah Valley, Cal St Bakersfield, and anyone else they can convince to join. If not, Idaho and NMSU have got to start considering their FCS options.

That seems to be what will happen. Idaho and NM State are probably doing everything they can to get the Sun Belt FB invites, or evaluating the feasibility of independence before heading down to FCS. I would think sometime before the end of June there would be some news on this.

freaked4collegefb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:37 pm **Posts:** 7048

Article out of Las Cruces with update on WAC situation at http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-sp ... ted-issues

freaked4collegefb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:37 pm **Posts:** 7048

Article out of Boise with comments from Idaho President regarding trying to find a FB home for Vandals.He expects some type of announcement prior to start of 2012 FB season.Link at http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2012/0 ... ndependent

Quinn · **Joined:** Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:05 am **Posts:** 3752

With Boise St. out of the MWC, and with a likely Big West invite coming in September, here's the most updated State of the WAC.

* With Boise St., there are 5 members.
* It seems a lock that Utah Valley and CSU-Bakersfield will be invited to keep the numbers at 7.
* With Boise St. planning on leaving for the Big West, it also means the WAC will need to look beyond these 2 potential additions, and likely need to include UTPA into the mix for an 8th member (7th once Boise St. leaves for the Big West).
* Denver and Seattle both want in the WCC still. If the conference looks at them, either would jump in a second.
* Idaho and NMSU are both looking for FBS football homes, hoping that the Sun Belt or MWC would include them for FB only. Doesn't seem likely.
* NMSU could always reach out to the Southland for non-football membership
* Idaho always has the Big Sky (FCS) to fall back on.
* With some of the Summit League defections, it wouldn't be a shock to see Denver reach out to them, now that the WAC is in trouble.
* Even Seattle and Idaho could potentially look to the Summit is they and the Summit get desperate enough. Adding Seattle, Idaho and Denver might give the conference a huge footprint for travel, but it would add members, something the Summit might need.

The Bishin Cutter · **Joined:** Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:41 am **Posts:** 540

I think it hinges on how liberal the Big West and WCC want to extend their footprints from the Pacific coastal region. Seattle and Denver won't be in the WAC for too long, and those two conferences seem like the obvious choices for them. By the way the BWC bylaws sound, CSUB's a future lock if they ever wanted it (they say they're WAC'n it in '13)...so where would that place Boise?

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:15 pm

Big West says they want an even #, so if the BE waits for #14 and it's not Fresno, then CSUB will get the invite unless they'd take AFA(if they're #14). Where would AFA go if they are #14? Summit? BW? Big Sky? WCC(who also prefers even #) so Denver comes w/ them?

fighting muskie · **Joined:** Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:47 am **Posts:** 380

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

Big West says they want an even #, so if the BE waits for #14 and it's not Fresno, then CSUB will get the invite unless they'd take AFA(if they're #14). Where would AFA go if they are #14? Summit? BW? Big Sky? WCC(who also prefers even #) so Denver comes w/ them?

Could Sacramento St be in the mix for Big West membership as part of the Boise deal in place of CSUB? I think the Big Sky might be willing to part with their Olympic sports if they lets say got Idaho to replace them.

tute79 · **Joined:** Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:25 pm **Posts:** 1490

I would think if the Big West called, they would listen.

The Big Sky has Cal Poly-SLO and UC-Davis as BW members/ football only affiliates (so I'm not sure they'd have grounds to refuse Sacto. State the same arrangement).

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:45 pm

Like Quinn said Sky said they'd let UCD and CP in for fb only if Sac St. stayed for all sports. So they can't join the BW. It would have to be CSUB or UCSD voting to move up after they voted it down last year or Fresno getting the 14th spot in the BE or AFA buying their way in if they go to the BE and have no other options.

fighting muskie · **Joined:** Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:47 am **Posts:** 380

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

Like Quinn said Sky said they'd let UCD and CP in for fb only if Sac St. stayed for all sports. So they can't join the BW. It would have to be CSUB or UCSD voting to move up after they voted it down last year or Fresno getting the 14th spot in the BE or AFA buying their way in if they go to the BE and have no other options.

AFA wouldn't necessarily have to go to the Big West if they accepted a football offer from the Big East. They could go to the WCC as a package deal with Denver. Army and Navy play in a private school league so I think Air Force could do the same.

Fresno St. Alum · **Posted:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:32 pm

fighting muskie wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

Like Quinn said Sky said they'd let UCD and CP in for fb only if Sac St. stayed for all sports. So they can't join the BW. It would have to be CSUB or UCSD voting to move up after they voted it down last year or Fresno getting the 14th spot in the BE or AFA buying their way in if they go to the BE and have no other options.

AFA wouldn't necessarily have to go to the Big West if they accepted a football offer from the Big East. They could go to the WCC as a package deal with Denver. Army and Navy play in a private school league so I think Air Force could do the same.

in one of the other threads I broke down AFAs other options like WCC w/ Denver, Summit, Big Sky, BW, WAC if BSU is stuck there.

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