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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:11 am 
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The Holy War put on pause.

Well don't you know, Utah's too big for its Mormon lesser! We all lose as fans.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:12 pm 
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The Bishin Cutter wrote:
The Holy War put on pause.

Well don't you know, Utah's too big for its Mormon lesser! We all lose as fans.


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Nebraska vs Colorado
Texas vs Texas A&M
Pitt vs W.Virginia
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Missouri vs Kansas (basketball was real big)

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Yes, it is sad indeed. And there are those on these boards who wished Florida St to bolt for the big 12, leaving Miami in the dust - er sand.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:55 pm 
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Fresno St. Alum wrote:
The Bishin Cutter wrote:
The Holy War put on pause.

Well don't you know, Utah's too big for its Mormon lesser! We all lose as fans.


RIP

Nebraska vs Oklahoma
Nebraska vs Colorado
Texas vs Texas A&M
Pitt vs W.Virginia
Utah vs BYU
Missouri vs Kansas (basketball was real big)


North Dakota vs North Dakota St.
North Dakota vs SDSU and South Dakota

The out of state rivalries are one thing. It's the in state ones that are gone that seem the worse. BYU and Utah not playing is just stupid.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:50 pm 
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Article out of Torrance discussing why PAC 12 schools decided to "pull plug" on the Big Ten/PAC 12 scheduling alliance so soon.How much egg is on Larry Scott's face at this time?Link at http://www.dailybreeze.com/sports/ci_21 ... pac-12-big


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Article out of North San Diego with comments from PAC 12 Commish who says his league has no plans to expand in the forseeable future.Link at http://www.nctimes.com/sports/college/u ... 12f3f.html


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:27 pm 
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Quinn wrote:

North Dakota vs North Dakota St.
North Dakota vs SDSU and South Dakota

The out of state rivalries are one thing. It's the in state ones that are gone that seem the worse. BYU and Utah not playing is just stupid.


Are you simply saying they aren't conference mates anymore? Because I would find it hard to believe that UND wouldn't keep playing the only schools within 250 miles of them simply because of conference affiliation. It's not like Texas A&M or Missouri football deciding "the SEC schedule is murder, we need to play cupcakes OOC to be bowl eligible."

UND doesn't really have a lot of options OOC. Financially, they HAVE to play each other.

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JPSchmack wrote:
Quinn wrote:

North Dakota vs North Dakota St.
North Dakota vs SDSU and South Dakota

The out of state rivalries are one thing. It's the in state ones that are gone that seem the worse. BYU and Utah not playing is just stupid.


Are you simply saying they aren't conference mates anymore? Because I would find it hard to believe that UND wouldn't keep playing the only schools within 250 miles of them simply because of conference affiliation. It's not like Texas A&M or Missouri football deciding "the SEC schedule is murder, we need to play cupcakes OOC to be bowl eligible."

UND doesn't really have a lot of options OOC. Financially, they HAVE to play each other.

There's bad blood w/ UND and NDSU when NDSU and SDSU left UND behind in D-II. FCS board guys can explain it.

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Talk about a lack of standards...

Strangely, it does make sense to keep an eye on one of them...SDSU is a sleeper B12 target. Put the Big XII into southern California, and how much does Texas really need the westward move?


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The Bishin Cutter wrote:
Talk about a lack of standards...

Strangely, it does make sense to keep an eye on one of them...SDSU is a sleeper B12 target. Put the Big XII into southern California, and how much does Texas really need the westward move?

What a joke, if they didn't want OU/OSU due to academics no way they take BSU/SDSU unless we're talking about going to 20 and then UNLV and New Mexico have a shot too.

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Good point.

When Oklahoma w/OSU approached the PAC12 (again) sometime near the end of the last B12 defections, and the PAC12 passed on the two, it may be something the PAC12 is now having regrets. Beyond the academic factors some in the PAC12 may have used to justify not including OU/OSU, word was further PAC12 expansion had to include Texas without the extended LHN element.

Scott, though, seems like the kind of guy that is proactive and willing to plunge into expansion more, given intriguing opportunities. However, the conference has traditionally been very conservative and picky about new inclusions. SDSU has been talked about for years, but dismissed for the same 'ole reasons. Now if Boise State really would get on the table of serious consideration, then PAC12 standards have certainly taken a major adjustment.

Concur, I would think a flag-ship such as the Univ. of New Mexico would come into play if expansion options were opened that deep.


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The UC system is seen as the elite public system with the big, selective research schools, but SDSU has been doing good work academically and athletically in their own right to perhaps warrant the bid. It also wouldn't hurt the PAC to make sure CA politics don't dig into it...and if SDSU can boast some merit for inclusion, you may see it. The CSU system is nearly twice the size of UC's, even if on the second tier, it's not like SDSU is a clown college (I'd argue that if TTU is considered, SDSU is virtually no different, other than a zip).


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The Bishin Cutter wrote:
The CSU system is nearly twice the size of UC's, even if on the second tier, it's not like SDSU is a clown college (I'd argue that if TTU is considered, SDSU is virtually no different, other than a zip).

The difference is that Tech is a means to an end (Texas) and SDSU is just an end. The PAC 12 would never take Tech by themselves, as I suspect they would never take SDSU by themselves (unless they need 1 school to even out divisions or political pressure of what not). If SDSU truly wants in the PAC12 changing their name to Cal State should be one of the first things they do.

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tkalmus wrote:
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The CSU system is nearly twice the size of UC's, even if on the second tier, it's not like SDSU is a clown college (I'd argue that if TTU is considered, SDSU is virtually no different, other than a zip).

The difference is that Tech is a means to an end (Texas) and SDSU is just an end. The PAC 12 would never take Tech by themselves, as I suspect they would never take SDSU by themselves (unless they need 1 school to even out divisions or political pressure of what not). If SDSU truly wants in the PAC12 changing their name to Cal State should be one of the first things they do.


I think the PAC may *have* to take SDSU, if there's been talk over the years as to what SDSU was supposed to do institutionally and athletically. When they "peaked" in the 90's, I do remember some talk about what kind of work SDSU would have to do if they ever wanted inclusion, but, of course, the conference wasn't motivated by television deals and CCGs, so the standards for inclusion were mighty high and out of reach. Now, it's a whole new ballgame. Or maybe, politically, it's only on the PAC to at least consider SDSU (which they may do/are doing, but not necessarily have to invite).

The sticky part is, the moment the conference "stoops" to TTU and oSu levels, this is going to get VERY nasty, and not only will SDSU be up in arms, but also FSU and SJSU, who might have a bone of their own to pick with the brass of the UC system who are also in the know of PAC maneuvering.

The stuff I also wonder about is what happens to that OU-OSU thing after Pickens stops walking the earth. Does the state still bind the two together as tightly as they currently do, or does the loss of the most influential booster and advocate the institution has ever had allow for more freedom that gets OU off the hook?


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The Bishin Cutter wrote:
Or maybe, politically, it's only on the PAC to at least consider SDSU (which they may do/are doing, but not necessarily have to invite).

The sticky part is, the moment the conference "stoops" to TTU and oSu levels, this is going to get VERY nasty, and not only will SDSU be up in arms, but also FSU and SJSU, who might have a bone of their own to pick with the brass of the UC system who are also in the know of PAC maneuvering.

The stuff I also wonder about is what happens to that OU-OSU thing after Pickens stops walking the earth. Does the state still bind the two together as tightly as they currently do, or does the loss of the most influential booster and advocate the institution has ever had allow for more freedom that gets OU off the hook?

Good points on the PAC, on OU/OSU the ties go really deep for now, the OSU president (if I'm remembering correctly) has a school (or building can't recall) named after his family at OU and is married to an OU grad, and the OU president is married to an OSU grad and has very close ties to OSU including T Boone. I think OSU is here to stay but in a world of conference Armageddon I could see OU dumping OSU to join Texas and Kansas in the Big Ten or possibly the SEC...but it won't be anytime soon.

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