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 Post subject: Re: Big West realignment
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:57 am 
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Is there any possibility that Sacramento St could "come home" as the 12th Big West school if the Boise deal works out? Would/are the Hornets campaigning to get in and would how would the Big Sky feel about losing their Olympic sports?



That'sa a great question. Quick answer is "no".

Yes, it makes sense...too much sense. You have the Big West which is a much better overall conference than the Big Sky. It's local, so Sac St. would not need to travel to places like NoColorado, Utah, North Dakota, etc, without getting paid to do so (via Hawaii stipend).

BUT...there's a reason for the "no": when the Big Sky changed there bylaws to allow FB only members Cal-Poly and UC Davis, those schools were brought in under an agreement by Sac St, that they'd remain in the conference and would not seek the same deal as both those schools.

Or course if Sac St. upgrades to FBS, the deal has no effect. And time will tell about Sac St. in the Big Sky...guess they could always change their minds and leave the Big Sky for the Big West and just ask to be in the Big West for FB only.


Was this deal the Big Sky forced on Sacramento St something that was made public? This is the first I've heard of it. Why would Sacramento St agree to something so unfavorable to themselves simply to help out UC Davis and Cal Poly? The Big West is a much better cultural fit of Sacramento St because the Big Sky doesn't play men's soccer or baseball--two sports that Sac St and the Big West pride themselves on. Why is Sacramento St so important to the Big Sky?--it can't be the tv market because I doubt very many people watch Big Sky sports.



Because Sac St. had FCS football and needed a home when they joined with Cal St. Northridge in 1996. For the Big Sky, it meant they had a school in NoCal and 1 in SoCal. CSUN left for the Big West. Sac St stayed.

Sac St. benefits form Cal Poly and UC Davis for football because they are both local, with UC Davis just down the street. For the Big Sky, they have CA for all-sports recruiting due to Sac St. When Sac St. agreed to stay, it was because they had no other options and the Big West wasn't viewed as that much better a conference for non-football sports. That has changed for sure with SDSU joining.

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 Post subject: Re: Big West realignment
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Article out of Boise with comments from BSU President regarding BSU/Big West situation at http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2012/0 ... rylink=cpy


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 Post subject: Re: Big West realignment
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So who will be #12, their commish wants 12. Fresno if they're #14, but if its AFA would they want the BW or BW want them? Are they better off in the Summit, travel etc? AFA did come out last month and say they don't want to leave their western conf w/ long time rivals. If BYU ends up in the BE then CSUB is #12?

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 Post subject: Re: Big West realignment
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One consideration for #12 in the Big West should be Denver which has strong Olympic sports and if needed could easily add baseball and softball if needed. If AFA or BYU goes to Big East then Denver could be their travel partner in the Big West and they could bring in Bakersfied or Seattle for 16


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 Post subject: Re: Big West realignment
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One consideration for #12 in the Big West should be Denver which has strong Olympic sports and if needed could easily add baseball and softball if needed. If AFA or BYU goes to Big East then Denver could be their travel partner in the Big West and they could bring in Bakersfied or Seattle for 16


Yeah, gotta think the Big West will wait to see what goes on with the Big East. They must be loving that they keep getting the opportunity to add new schools, higher profile ones, and get paid to do it. For Boise St. it will be in money from the Big East, which could always change in the future to locked in Big East hoops OOC games.

With Boise St. in, there's an argument that they are the BYU travel partner.

If I'm the Big West, I sit back and wait until the Big East is all setup. If they take another western school, the Big West can take them and get paid for it.

If that doesn't happen, then maybe you do see schools like Seattle and Denver make the list for consideration to help out BYU and Boise St...the benefit being that both are in easy to get to markets via numerous airlines.


Just think that with BYU, Hawaii and Boise St. in the mix, waiting for a 4th FBS level school is much more worthwhile than forcing in a lower school like CSUB just to get to an even number.

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 Post subject: Re: Big West realignment
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 Post subject: Re: Big West realignment
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One consideration for #12 in the Big West should be Denver which has strong Olympic sports and if needed could easily add baseball and softball if needed. If AFA or BYU goes to Big East then Denver could be their travel partner in the Big West and they could bring in Bakersfied or Seattle for 16


Yeah, gotta think the Big West will wait to see what goes on with the Big East. They must be loving that they keep getting the opportunity to add new schools, higher profile ones, and get paid to do it. For Boise St. it will be in money from the Big East, which could always change in the future to locked in Big East hoops OOC games.

With Boise St. in, there's an argument that they are the BYU travel partner.

If I'm the Big West, I sit back and wait until the Big East is all setup. If they take another western school, the Big West can take them and get paid for it.

If that doesn't happen, then maybe you do see schools like Seattle and Denver make the list for consideration to help out BYU and Boise St...the benefit being that both are in easy to get to markets via numerous airlines.


Just think that with BYU, Hawaii and Boise St. in the mix, waiting for a 4th FBS level school is much more worthwhile than forcing in a lower school like CSUB just to get to an even number.


you gotta think the Big West is rooting for Fresno to get in the Big East. They would make a great #12 for the Big West. Is Sacramento St in the mix?


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 Post subject: Re: Big West realignment
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One consideration for #12 in the Big West should be Denver which has strong Olympic sports and if needed could easily add baseball and softball if needed. If AFA or BYU goes to Big East then Denver could be their travel partner in the Big West and they could bring in Bakersfied or Seattle for 16


Yeah, gotta think the Big West will wait to see what goes on with the Big East. They must be loving that they keep getting the opportunity to add new schools, higher profile ones, and get paid to do it. For Boise St. it will be in money from the Big East, which could always change in the future to locked in Big East hoops OOC games.

With Boise St. in, there's an argument that they are the BYU travel partner.

If I'm the Big West, I sit back and wait until the Big East is all setup. If they take another western school, the Big West can take them and get paid for it.

If that doesn't happen, then maybe you do see schools like Seattle and Denver make the list for consideration to help out BYU and Boise St...the benefit being that both are in easy to get to markets via numerous airlines.


Just think that with BYU, Hawaii and Boise St. in the mix, waiting for a 4th FBS level school is much more worthwhile than forcing in a lower school like CSUB just to get to an even number.


you gotta think the Big West is rooting for Fresno to get in the Big East. They would make a great #12 for the Big West. Is Sacramento St in the mix?

Yes I how we get in the BW/BE. Sac St. is not an option, part of the deal to let UCD and CP in as fb only is that Sac St. said they'd stay for all sports.

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 Post subject: Re: Big West realignment
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Article out of Long Beach with "speculation" regarding the relative value of a future merged Big West/MWC at http://www.presstelegram.com/moresports ... est-merger


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 Post subject: Re: Big West realignment
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Looks like back to nine for the Big West, with Boise State retracting their Big East/Big West move; and San Diego State has a penalty-free out clause to do the same. With Pacific headed out, the BWC went from big basketball realignment winners to status quo.

Cal Poly, Cal St Fullerton, Cal St Northridge, Long Beach St, UC Davis, UC Irvine, UC Riverside, UC Santa Barbara and Hawaii.

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 Post subject: Re: Big West realignment
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Looks like back to nine for the Big West, with Boise State retracting their Big East/Big West move; and San Diego State has a penalty-free out clause to do the same. With Pacific headed out, the BWC went from big basketball realignment winners to status quo.

Cal Poly, Cal St Fullerton, Cal St Northridge, Long Beach St, UC Davis, UC Irvine, UC Riverside, UC Santa Barbara and Hawaii.

See if they can get UCSD to pass the fee hike and invite them, if not CSUB is right there, like Boof in teen wolf

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Gotta think that UCSD will eventually be D-1 and Big West is the place for them, but if put to a vote, the kids don't want to foot the bill with a huge fee increase.
The administration has to bury the cost in the overall tuition dollars if they want to pull this off !

If the MWC is dragging their feet on re-admitting SDSU, could it be that they see possibilities in SDSU being BW / MWC (FB only) - sort of paired with Hawaii ?
Doing so would put the MWC at 10/12 (if I'm counting correctly- with BSU back in and SDSU back for FB)....
Then perhaps they add 2 more full members - target 1 is BYU, if they snag them, maybe UTEP.
If they want to add 4 then they go further east with SMU, UH, Tulsa, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Big West realignment
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Gotta think that UCSD will eventually be D-1 and Big West is the place for them, but if put to a vote, the kids don't want to foot the bill with a huge fee increase.
The administration has to bury the cost in the overall tuition dollars if they want to pull this off !

If the MWC is dragging their feet on re-admitting SDSU, could it be that they see possibilities in SDSU being BW / MWC (FB only) - sort of paired with Hawaii ?
Doing so would put the MWC at 10/12 (if I'm counting correctly- with BSU back in and SDSU back for FB)....
Then perhaps they add 2 more full members - target 1 is BYU, if they snag them, maybe UTEP.
If they want to add 4 then they go further east with SMU, UH, Tulsa, etc.


Why would we only take their football? Basketball is their best sport. They're either all in or all out. Hawaii becoming a full member or BYU for other sports and a ND type schedule agreement are more likely

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 Post subject: Re: Big West realignment
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Why would the Big West need to add anyone?

They had nine.
Hawaii joined for 10 teams.
SDSU was going to be the 11th.
Then Pacific left, putting it down to 10 teams again.
Boise State was going to join to be the 11th.

Now, Boise State's not coming, so it's 10.
SDSU probably is going to bail and it'll be 9. Same as before.

No reason to just add for the sake of adding. They added Hawaii, SDSU and Boise State because those are good teams (SDSU REALLY good) that increased the profile of the conference, increased the chances for an at-large bid, etc.

They don't really NEED Bakersfield or UCSD. UCSD would probably be really good if they upgraded, so that makes sense. Bakersfield doesn't make sense. They might later, but not now.

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 Post subject: Re: Big West realignment
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Why would the Big West need to add anyone?

They had nine.
Hawaii joined for 10 teams.
SDSU was going to be the 11th.
Then Pacific left, putting it down to 10 teams again.
Boise State was going to join to be the 11th.

Now, Boise State's not coming, so it's 10.
SDSU probably is going to bail and it'll be 9. Same as before.

No reason to just add for the sake of adding. They added Hawaii, SDSU and Boise State because those are good teams (SDSU REALLY good) that increased the profile of the conference, increased the chances for an at-large bid, etc.

They don't really NEED Bakersfield or UCSD. UCSD would probably be really good if they upgraded, so that makes sense. Bakersfield doesn't make sense. They might later, but not now.

They already said they were interested in UCSD but didn't want to go to 11 because of scheduling and said they talked to the ASun about the problems they had w/ 11, but took the cash from BSU to go to 11 which won't end up happening plus they always thought Fresno or UNLV would be #12 because the BE was going to take another western school until the bottom fell out. They prefer 10. If UCSD wants to reconsider the student fee hike that was rejected, they'll be #10.

CSUB makes sense but they'd prefer the UC over the CSU, half the damn conf is CSUs it's silly to say they don't make sense. They'd have a better arena than everyone in the BW minus maybe Hawaii. It holds 10,500 and was build recently. They have a good baseball team too(BW's favorite sport)

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