The Bishin Cutter wrote:
PAC12 does have a tradition of having members in "pairs". CSU could get there at some point. USU would have a couple of decades of development to do. BYU isn't going to change enough for it. In a super-conference situation, OU-OSU or UK-KSU is conceivable.
When the PAC12 alledgedly turned down a petition from OU-OSU right before the B12 got more stabilized, one wonders if that was a regretable mistake on the PAC12's part? Outside of a compliant Texas being a part of it, OU-OSU is a pretty good combo, noting that little else would be appealing in-between.
Well, it's the intentions of the incoming schools. Was the PAC the Oklahoma schools' endgame? What happened if Texas never followed them, and Oklahoma held the rest of the conference hostage with the Texas game,
which compromising in ANY way was not going to happen?I know tk is likely to disagree, but I think the PAC wants more say in who they get rather than being held by the schools wanting in.
That's the price of doing business with Texas and Oklahoma. You're getting additional schools you wouldn't take on their own. To some extent, that's fine...but if expansion does have a ceiling, do you turn out other schools, like Kansas, Air Force, Hawaii, or Colorado State who could become very good PAC-like schools for institutions who are more just "happy to be here" and contribute little to the field. I don't think the PAC wants OSU and Tech. One might be acceptable if need be...two is no longer going to happen.
Apply it to the Big XII, and it's why they likely won't expand. We kind of knew West Virginia is only there because it's the best place they can actually be, but no other school is like them in that respect who wouldn't have their own demands (BYU) who add value to the conference. Who's of worth that you'd actually WANT in your conference? The Big XII has made that clear: Pitt, Arkansas, Air Force, BYU, FSU, and Clemson. None of them are biting, and the door isn't open to the remaining SWC schools or Tulane (yet).
The PAC12 turning down OU/OSU had a lot of different factors going into it.
The 4 Cal schools didn't really want 14 because it would make it extremely difficult for them to play each other every year.
One of either Utah or Colorado would be pushed to the North meaning no annual trips to LA.
And most of the other schools would rathers play more games in Cali than travel to the state of Oklahoma.
NTM that OkSU's academics are sub par (like OrSU, WSU, and ASU) and OU's are not exactly that great either (just got tier 1 status and not AAU), and they just added Utah (also not AAU) so the smarty schools like Cal/Stanford weren't crazy about it.
What's this about the Texas/OU holding the conference hostage? Do you mean them waiting on Texas to join or the annual Red River fb game in the Cotton bowl. If you mean the fb game, every year USC and Stanford play ND, CU plays CSU, and Utah was supposed to play BYU or Utah St (though they seem to be trying to get out of them). I don't think OU/TX would be hard to schedule around.
I actually agree with you TBC nearly 100% except when it comes to Texas, Texas could join any conference it wanted IF it let go of the LHN. They can also pretty much take any combo of schools to go with them (except religious schools) and while OU/OkSU is a good catch for the SEC, they wouldn't (and weren't) ever really considered to the B1G w/ OkSU (and even if they ditched them OU alone would probably not get in w/o Nebraska) or PAC (OU might get in by themsleves but not w/ OkSU and w/o Texas).
Similar to how UNC can join any conference it wants (SEC/B1G/B12) and could name its tag-alongs be they Duke/UVA/FSU/GATech and possibly even NCSU (though its iffy for the B1G) or how NDfb could join the B1G or ACC and name another school they want like UConn (ACC) or BC/Pitt (B1G).
These are what I call the super elite of conference realignment, its a very slim list of schools that have this kind of power which includes the three I listed above (Texas, ND, UNC) plus USC/UCLA, tOSU/Mich, Florida/Georgia, and maybe Alabama.
The next tier down consists of the second tiers that are still valueable by themselves, but most likely could not get a conference to take them and some less inferior tag-alongs which includes, Oregon, Oklahoma, A&M, LSU, Tenn, UVA, FSU, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Penn St.
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