Missouri Valley Expansion & Realignment Thread

Fresno St. Alum · **Joined:** Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:56 pm **Posts:** 2803

fighting muskie wrote:

What if they added a private school like Loyola (Chicago) or Valparaiso? Would that keep the private schools happy?

Belmont is private and better than those 2.

jlog3000 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:59 pm

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

Belmont is private and better than those 2.

But is Belmont a Catholic?

Fresno St. Alum · **Joined:** Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:56 pm **Posts:** 2803

ncaanopaawaa2000 wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

Belmont is private and better than those 2.

But is Belmont a Catholic?

Nope and neither are any of the 3 remaining private MVC schools.

jlog3000 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:47 pm

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

Nope and neither are any of the 3 remaining private MVC schools.

What "any of the 3 remaining private MVC schools"?

TKthunder · **Joined:** Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:40 pm **Posts:** 1584

This is the MVC board.

ncaanopaawaa2000 wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

ncaanopaawaa2000 wrote:

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

fighting muskie wrote:

What if they added a private school like Loyola (Chicago) or Valparaiso? Would that keep the private schools happy?

Belmont is private and better than those 2.

But is Belmont a Catholic?

Nope and neither are any of the 3 remaining private MVC schools.

What "any of the 3 remaining private MVC schools"?

Evansville "is affiliated with the United Methodist Church."

"Drake was originally affiliated with the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) although no religious affiliation is officially recognized today."

Bradley - "Although Lydia Moss Bradley, in founding the University, stipulated that it should remain nonsectarian, she did provide in the charter for the development of “the principles of morality and right living as exemplified in the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.” With this nonsectarian background, the University is making an increasingly vigorous effort to provide for its students a program conducive to the development of character, morality, and high principles. This program is carried on through student religious organizations on campus and numerous courses in religion."

Fresno St. Alum · **Joined:** Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:56 pm **Posts:** 2803

I wonder why 6 public schools are being told what to do by 3 privates, or do the 6 publics really want Belmont, Denver, Loyola, ORU over the publics like SDSU, NDSU, UWM.

fighting muskie · **Posted:** Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:38 am

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

I wonder why 6 public schools are being told what to do by 3 privates, or do the 6 publics really want Belmont, Denver, Loyola, ORU over the publics like SDSU, NDSU, UWM.

I don't think its so much that the 3 privates are telling the publics what to do as much as they are casting "no" votes on any public school or football school thus preventing any candidate from getting the necessary votes. You also have to consider that Wichita St is probably voting with the privates in order to protect their basketball interests thus forcing the football schools to agree to add a basketball school.

Like I said before, it makes more sense for the football schools (and Wichita St) to join up with the Dakota schools, UNO, and WIU to make a 12 team league and let the 3 privates join the basketball-centric Horizon League but I doubt that would happen.

accseahawk · **Posted:** Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:34 pm

MVC is about to be officially on deck. A10 will be at 12 for at least one year so if MVC wants Belmont now is the time to get them

tute79 · **Joined:** Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:25 pm **Posts:** 2155

So Creighton has offically submitted their intent to leave.

MVC doesn't need to react just yet.
Horizon still hasn't reacted to loss of Butler.

The two conferences could devour the Summit League, with the MVC taking the MVFC members + North Dakota from Big Sky,
and the Horizon taking some non-FB members (maybe Evansville from MVC, Oakland / IUPUI / IPFW from Summit, they may be interested in Belmont (OVC) too).

If MVC wants to take in more FB schools from Summit, the non-FB private schools (Evansville, Bradley, Wichita State, Drake (?))
may resist on grounds that they become a minority voting block.
If Evansville is truly likely to leave for Horizon, does the MVC wait for them to depart, if that changes the voting dynamic ?

fighting muskie · **Posted:** Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:54 pm

tute79 wrote:

So Creighton has offically submitted their intent to leave.

MVC doesn't need to react just yet.
Horizon still hasn't reacted to loss of Butler.

The two conferences could devour the Summit League, with the MVC taking the MVFC members + North Dakota from Big Sky,
and the Horizon taking some non-FB members (maybe Evansville from MVC, Oakland / IUPUI / IPFW from Summit, they may be interested in Belmont (OVC) too).

If MVC wants to take in more FB schools from Summit, the non-FB private schools (Evansville, Bradley, Wichita State, Drake (?))
may resist on grounds that they become a minority voting block.
If Evansville is truly likely to leave for Horizon, does the MVC wait for them to depart, if that changes the voting dynamic ?

I'd like to see the 3 private schools (Evansville, Bradley, and Drake) go to the Horizon (9+3=12), giving the MVC football schools the freedom to add the 4 Dakota schools and WIU. Since they are public and the geography would be better I'd keep Wichita St with the football schools and maybe add UNO to round out that league at 12. The rest of the Summit schools are kinda screwed but the WAC is out there and already has Chicago St and UMKC.

jlog3000 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:13 pm

fighting muskie wrote:

tute79 wrote:

So Creighton has offically submitted their intent to leave.

MVC doesn't need to react just yet.
Horizon still hasn't reacted to loss of Butler.

The two conferences could devour the Summit League, with the MVC taking the MVFC members + North Dakota from Big Sky,
and the Horizon taking some non-FB members (maybe Evansville from MVC, Oakland / IUPUI / IPFW from Summit, they may be interested in Belmont (OVC) too).

If MVC wants to take in more FB schools from Summit, the non-FB private schools (Evansville, Bradley, Wichita State, Drake (?))
may resist on grounds that they become a minority voting block.
If Evansville is truly likely to leave for Horizon, does the MVC wait for them to depart, if that changes the voting dynamic ?

I'd like to see the 3 private schools (Evansville, Bradley, and Drake) go to the Horizon (9+3=12), giving the MVC football schools the freedom to add the 4 Dakota schools and WIU. Since they are public and the geography would be better I'd keep Wichita St with the football schools and maybe add UNO to round out that league at 12. The rest of the Summit schools are kinda screwed but the WAC is out there and already has Chicago St and UMKC.

Great plan. But how about Youngstown State to the MVC since its football team is in the MVFC (if the MVC plans to "absorb" the MVFC to "re-instate" football, while maintaining as an elite mid-major basketball league-like all-sports conference), along with Eastern Illinois (from the OVC)? Remember that most of the current and former MVC/Summit schools [Bradley, Drake, Eastern Illinois, Illinois State, Indiana State, Southern Illinois, Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Western Illinois and Wichita State] were part of the then-women's-only all-sports league known as the Gateway Collegiate Athletic Conference (Gateway for short).

fighting muskie · **Posted:** Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:16 pm

ncaanopaawaa2000 wrote:

fighting muskie wrote:

tute79 wrote:

So Creighton has offically submitted their intent to leave.

MVC doesn't need to react just yet.
Horizon still hasn't reacted to loss of Butler.

The two conferences could devour the Summit League, with the MVC taking the MVFC members + North Dakota from Big Sky,
and the Horizon taking some non-FB members (maybe Evansville from MVC, Oakland / IUPUI / IPFW from Summit, they may be interested in Belmont (OVC) too).

If MVC wants to take in more FB schools from Summit, the non-FB private schools (Evansville, Bradley, Wichita State, Drake (?))
may resist on grounds that they become a minority voting block.
If Evansville is truly likely to leave for Horizon, does the MVC wait for them to depart, if that changes the voting dynamic ?

I'd like to see the 3 private schools (Evansville, Bradley, and Drake) go to the Horizon (9+3=12), giving the MVC football schools the freedom to add the 4 Dakota schools and WIU. Since they are public and the geography would be better I'd keep Wichita St with the football schools and maybe add UNO to round out that league at 12. The rest of the Summit schools are kinda screwed but the WAC is out there and already has Chicago St and UMKC.

Great plan. But how about Youngstown State to the MVC since its football team is in the MVFC (if the MVC plans to "absorb" the MVFC to "re-instate" football, while maintaining as an elite mid-major basketball league-like all-sports conference), along with Eastern Illinois (from the OVC)? Remember that most of the current and former MVC/Summit schools [Bradley, Drake, Eastern Illinois, Illinois State, Indiana State, Southern Illinois, Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Western Illinois and Wichita State] were part of the then-women's-only all-sports league known as the Gateway Collegiate Athletic Conference (Gateway for short).

I'd keep Y'town St with the Horizon (better travel situation) and just have them as a football-only school in the MVC, just like they are now.

jlog3000 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:23 pm

fighting muskie wrote:

ncaanopaawaa2000 wrote:

fighting muskie wrote:

tute79 wrote:

So Creighton has offically submitted their intent to leave.

MVC doesn't need to react just yet.
Horizon still hasn't reacted to loss of Butler.

The two conferences could devour the Summit League, with the MVC taking the MVFC members + North Dakota from Big Sky,
and the Horizon taking some non-FB members (maybe Evansville from MVC, Oakland / IUPUI / IPFW from Summit, they may be interested in Belmont (OVC) too).

If MVC wants to take in more FB schools from Summit, the non-FB private schools (Evansville, Bradley, Wichita State, Drake (?))
may resist on grounds that they become a minority voting block.
If Evansville is truly likely to leave for Horizon, does the MVC wait for them to depart, if that changes the voting dynamic ?

I'd like to see the 3 private schools (Evansville, Bradley, and Drake) go to the Horizon (9+3=12), giving the MVC football schools the freedom to add the 4 Dakota schools and WIU. Since they are public and the geography would be better I'd keep Wichita St with the football schools and maybe add UNO to round out that league at 12. The rest of the Summit schools are kinda screwed but the WAC is out there and already has Chicago St and UMKC.

Great plan. But how about Youngstown State to the MVC since its football team is in the MVFC (if the MVC plans to "absorb" the MVFC to "re-instate" football, while maintaining as an elite mid-major basketball league-like all-sports conference), along with Eastern Illinois (from the OVC)? Remember that most of the current and former MVC/Summit schools [Bradley, Drake, Eastern Illinois, Illinois State, Indiana State, Southern Illinois, Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Western Illinois and Wichita State] were part of the then-women's-only all-sports league known as the Gateway Collegiate Athletic Conference (Gateway for short).

I'd keep Y'town St with the Horizon (better travel situation) and just have them as a football-only school in the MVC, just like they are now.

You have a true logic point about that for Youngstown State and its traveling, maybe possible to some have regional rivalries with its former OVC schoolmates or something. And if the Summit should go "bankrupt mode", it's best for IUPUI, IPFW, and Oakland to join the Horizon with Bradley, Evansville (with possible revival on football, joining back to the PFL) and Drake; with Nebraska-Omaha to the MVC (with football possibly to re-instate).

Fresno St. Alum · **Joined:** Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:56 pm **Posts:** 2803

OT question: Do they show all the tournament games over in PR? Also are Mayaguez, Bayamon, Rio Piedras still affiliated w/ D-II and how come they don't get access to post season?

jlog3000 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:11 pm

Fresno St. Alum wrote:

OT question: Do they show all the tournament games over in PR? Also are Mayaguez, Bayamon, Rio Piedras still affiliated w/ D-II and how come they don't get access to post season?

I can kindly answer this. According to the NCAA, Puerto Rico (or Puerto Rico-Rio Piedras [main campus of the University of Puerto Rico]), Puerto Rico-Bayamon, and Puerto Rico-Mayaguez are classified as Division II members, but as Independents. However, these 3 schools of the UPR System belong to an athletic conference known as the "Interuniversity Athletic League of Puerto Rico" (or in Spanish: Liga Atletica Interuniversitaria de Puerto Rico [LAI in short]), which is not affiliated with the NCAA, the NAIA or any other college sports organization in the U.S. Here's an article via Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liga_Atlet ... uerto_Rico

All I know is that the member schools face their opponents outside Puerto Rico from November to December (1st semester) as its "non-conference" schedule; and later play its "conference schedule" throughout the entire 2nd semester (January to March or April). But the tournament champions of any sport the conference sponsor doesn't compete in the NCAA Division II National Tournament.

Hope this helps answer this question Fresno St. Alum. Anything else about it, lemme know.

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