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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:34 pm 
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Who has said no the B10?

More likely they are waitng UMD law suit with the ACC to be settled

Does SEC really want either Loiusville or FSU?

The SEC already has UF and the UK.

If they expand they want to be in VA and NC


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:03 pm 
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With the ACC adopting GOR today, to go along with B1G, Big 12, and Pac 12 earlier adoptions, the impediments to further expansion are significant. No one is going to get an SEC school to move, so who else is there? BYU, Boise St or Cincinnati for the Big 12?

End of an era.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:14 pm 
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With the ACC adopting GOR today, to go along with B1G, Big 12, and Pac 12 earlier adoptions, the impediments to further expansion are significant. No one is going to get an SEC school to move, so who else is there? BYU, Boise St or Cincinnati for the Big 12?

End of an era.


Ehh...they still have the $50 million buyout attached, and the television deal doesn't go into effect until July?

I think they're tight over there, but GoR's being the definitive block? I don't believe them to be. Why sync them to media deals when media deals have look-in windows? Those look-in windows scramble these agreements legally. That's what people have been suggesting in the Big XII.

Let's just say...the ACC is fine from the beginning of July until 2017ish.

I have to wonder what this does legally to Maryland. That the ACC enacted an instantaneous GoR, is the $50m exit a punitive fee?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:22 pm 
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Bennett agrees

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:58 pm 
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westwolf wrote:
With the ACC adopting GOR today, to go along with B1G, Big 12, and Pac 12 earlier adoptions, the impediments to further expansion are significant. No one is going to get an SEC school to move, so who else is there? BYU, Boise St or Cincinnati for the Big 12?

End of an era.


Dang, it'll be back to talking about UCONN, Temple, Cincy, BYU, Boise State, Rice, & San Diego State.

WVU bloggers & twitterers' have got a new challenge on their hands.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:49 am 
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WVU bloggers & twitterers' have got a new challenge on their hands.


They'll pick apart the Big XII's GOR so they can get into the ACC as #16. Their boards were active on the issue of its strength some months back. One guy even claimed that he got a copy of the B12's GoR agreement through an Oklahoma open records request.

The sentiment is that, at least in the Big XII, GoR is breakable, just impractical. But, even there, with what's speculated, it hurts a Texas or Oklahoma more than an Iowa State or Baylor...so it's hard to even believe that spin.

As for the Big Ten...maybe it explains the JHU lacrosse thing?


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While it has a dimension of humor to it, you are right that WVU is looking for some way to get out of the B12's GoR if another major conference eastward, the ACC, is now willing to accept them. Actually, the ACC could have a change of attitude about WVU. The ACC may want to get back to being a contiguous conference, and could fill some of the area void with Maryland leaving. Some of WVU's old BE brethern now in the ACC, may be inclined to support the idea along with others. Note, a few years back, the idea of the ACC adding Louisville, was near unthinkable.

If the ACC went to 16, by eventually adding WVU, and ND would pick up a couple more of fb conference games and became a complete member, that would be an incredible and powerful play by the ACC. The ACC would have shifted from the brink of devastation to a stable and influential force among the top elite.

It's hard to see what the B12 can really do to further bridge to WVU. There's Cincy, and that's about it. Maybe the B12's expansion, if they decide to add 2 or so, is look to the west, which they appear not so interested in doing.

The SEC does not have a GoR or the exit fee intimidations. They have not needed it, and by not having it, speaks to the their confidence. However, I can hear a new crop of invented rumors emerging from somewhere: "The B1G is looking for 16 for the BTN, and is talking to Mizzou and Vandy, AAU schools; Mizzou could go in the west & Vandy in the east."

Actually, it may be the moment to deal with the shifts that have already occurred and let the new divisions settle without added anxieties and confusion.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:42 pm 
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How about this scenario to set the dominoes rolling again? - B1G adds U. Conn for the east division, and Missouri for the West division? This puts the B1G at 16 and forces the SEC to look around to hit 14 again or do some fancy footwork to try and equalize at 16. Now who does the SEC go after? The AAC just raids down to CUSA who in turn raids the SBC. So the question (yes, hypothetical question) is who does the SEC grab for #14, #15, and #16? Should this be on the SEC thread or here in the B1G thread?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:19 pm 
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TSN article with comments from Big Ten Commish who says further Big Ten expansion in the near future is unlikely at http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-footba ... -of-rights


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:02 am 
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TSN article with comments from Big Ten Commish who says further Big Ten expansion in the near future is unlikely at http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-footba ... -of-rights


Nice, quick post, Freaked. The SN articles sounds well on target as to much that happened. We may be hearing more on this as to what was really going on behind the scenes.

It sounds consistent with some of the connected chatter in the Carolinas. The ACC came very close to getting gutted. Something happened with the B1G plans, and I expect one or two of the key schools (UVA, UNC) in the ACC balked.

Some of the message was that the SEC was not just speculating about adding UNC & Duke, but had the two lined-up in case the B1G moved with adding UVA successfully. It may also have been an issue of who that second school (GT?) was the B1G could have sought, or that the 4-team addition idea fell through because it became unattainable. The B1G had strong eyes on UNC (without Duke), but the SEC had given UNC a preferred (standing?) counter-offer with Duke; and it was a renewal from work that was done a couple of years back for a 'just in case' scenario.

UNC's priority, with others, was to save the ACC with the new GoR, but if it didn't happen, and a couple of others had left, they would be headed to the SEC with Duke.

Something was really up involving FSU, Clemson, and NC State. Were they in a proposed "package", with VPI (or Louisville as an alternative) to be in some arrangement with the B12? It was more likely that FSU, Clemson, and NC State, have not wanted to close off 'future' possibilities for the SEC in case the GoR was adapted, and thus did not want to sign a GoR early on until they were more certain about potential BIG defections from others and where they would go. VPI did not want to separate from UVA. UVA either did not ultimately cooperate with the B1G's "add two" expansion initiative, or the B1G was set on a particular 4, and UNC, in particular, refused. If UVA, UNC, & GT were 3, would it have been enough to convince Notre Dame to become #4, the thought goes.

Whatever, there was a lot of scrambling going on, and the ACC fended off the pursuit for a new period.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:06 am 
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Something was really up involving FSU, Clemson, and NC State. Were they in a proposed "package", with VPI (or Louisville as an alternative) to be in some arrangement with the B12? It was more likely that FSU, Clemson, and NC State, have not wanted to close off 'future' possibilities for the SEC in case the GoR was adapted, and thus did not want to sign a GoR early on until they were more certain about potential BIG defections from others and where they would go. VPI did not want to separate from UVA. UVA either did not ultimately cooperate with the B1G's "add two" expansion initiative, or the B1G was set on a particular 4, and UNC, in particular, refused. If UVA, UNC, & GT were 3, would it have been enough to convince Notre Dame to become #4, the thought goes.


Probably the realistic candidates for the SEC, either going to 16 and losing Missouri to the B1G, or those three and one other for 18.

I think there is a lot more power to the words "we just don't have enough in common" than we give it credit. This is a big leap of faith thinking these schools will make comparable money to the B1G and SEC. These schools are either really drinking the Kool-Aid, or there's something hollow about doing business with the Big Ten. I can understand the resistance from schools like UNC, Duke, and UVA. Seeing what happened to Penn State in that "between" year and Nebraska, the B1G isn't above hazing certain schools. It's a "privleged" frat party over there.


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Cbssports indicating from an Omaha World-Herald column, that the B1G had been assessing schools such as OU, KU, & Vandy as possibilities; so the focus may have not been entirely on the ACC.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... oma-others

Was the B1G looking east and west for more additions? The general impression was that the B12's GoR was solid enough, pursuers would back off. Could schools such as Okla. & Kansas have been entertaining B1G inquiries after the B12 signed the G0R?


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I don't know what to think about Vanderbilt being on there. I could see them leaving the SEC...they aren't valued as others are, and, I doubt Tennessee would be that sad to lose them from the schedule. So, by that metric, Vandy's got that qualification as an outlier squared away. And the SEC would be fine, if not better, without Vandy (a space that can free up any number of different programs). And Vandy just does things differently...more progressive, more urban, less rabid athletically...I could see them saying "we don't need this."

...but that's Gee's old school. And I'm pretty sure that if Vanderbilt does go anywhere, it won't be until Gee's long gone from a Big Ten school. He really damaged Vanderbilt's reputation when he was there...and that matters to their alumni.

But Vandy is like Georgia Tech in that its student body is largely not from the general area and the school has a significant graduate and post-grad population. It's a research school.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:55 am 
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There is about as much chance of Vandy leaving the SEC for the Big Ten as there is Michigan doing the opposite. It's their home. They have no desire to be any where else. They are a charter member and this is where they belong both in their eyes and the other conference members. That part is not even about the $$$ as so much in college sports is these days.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:50 am 
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The B10 does waste time with examing schools that have no interest in moving.
UMD was a charter member of the ACC but left.
The B10 academic consortium could be of significant interest to an AAU school like Vanderbilt.


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