WAC General Realignment Thread

tute79 · **Joined:** Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:25 pm **Posts:** 2260

The WAC has been a conference of last resort since BYU's sneaky move was aborted, and the MWC and Sun-Belt picked it apart.

Ideally, the MWC would add:
Gonzaga (non-FB - complements FB-only Hawaii),
BYU and NMSU for ALL sports (including FB),
maybe UVU and another non-FB (GCU) school for all their sports ...

UMKC to Summit
Seattle to WCC
UTRGV to Southland
Cal Bap and Chicago State to ?

WAC dissolves.

jlog3000 · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:58 pm

tute79 wrote:

The WAC has been a conference of last resort since BYU's sneaky move was aborted, and the MWC and Sun-Belt picked it apart.

Ideally, the MWC would add:
Gonzaga (non-FB - complements FB-only Hawaii),
BYU and NMSU for ALL sports (including FB),
maybe UVU and another non-FB (GCU) school for all their sports ...

UMKC to Summit
Seattle to WCC
UTRGV to Southland
Cal Bap and Chicago State to ?

WAC dissolves.

If that would to occur, wouldn't Cal Bap return back to Division II & the PacWest; while Chicago State shall try re-joining back to the Summit or go to the Horizon?

tute79 · **Joined:** Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:25 pm **Posts:** 2260

Not sure where Cal Baptist has been targeting as their eventual landing place.

Chicago State has gotten a bad reputation. Summit "asked them to leave" several years ago when Chicago State was in trouble over regulatory compliance (the Summit was apparently prepared to give them the boot, if they didn't leave gracefully).

The Horizon has several more attractive candidates than Chicago State (such as IPFW).

I would be surprised if Summit of Horizon are inclined to do any favors for Chicago State at this time.

TKthunder · **Joined:** Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:40 pm **Posts:** 1606

tute79 wrote:

Any school joining the WAC right now would be guilty of "failure to perform due diligence.

WAC is a "train wreck" on the brink of dissolving...

Every school in the WAC would prefer to be somewhere else...

This would be the perfect opportunity for the a big group of DII schools to move up, there have been a lot of rumors around schools from the West joining the WAC for a while now. CBU and GCU were just the first to jump in. I’m sure they can find 4 more if they could ever stabilize their membership to a region and focus on getting like minded institutions. But they are between a rock and a hard place. If they get rid of their non western members they won’t have enough to keep their post season bids, but unless they solidify their geographic base (by shedding “eastern” members that dramatically increase travel costs) they will not look appealing enough to prominent DII universities for them to take a risk and jump to DI admin all of this uncertainty.

pounder · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:50 pm

TKthunder wrote:

tute79 wrote:

Any school joining the WAC right now would be guilty of "failure to perform due diligence.

WAC is a "train wreck" on the brink of dissolving...

Every school in the WAC would prefer to be somewhere else...

This would be the perfect opportunity for the a big group of DII schools to move up, there have been a lot of rumors around schools from the West joining the WAC for a while now. CBU and GCU were just the first to jump in. I’m sure they can find 4 more if they could ever stabilize their membership to a region and focus on getting like minded institutions. But they are between a rock and a hard place. If they get rid of their non western members they won’t have enough to keep their post season bids, but unless they solidify their geographic base (by shedding “eastern” members that dramatically increase travel costs) they will not look appealing enough to prominent DII universities for them to take a risk and jump to DI admin all of this uncertainty.

Rumors? Who?

TKthunder · **Joined:** Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:40 pm **Posts:** 1606

pounder wrote:

TKthunder wrote:

tute79 wrote:

Any school joining the WAC right now would be guilty of "failure to perform due diligence.

WAC is a "train wreck" on the brink of dissolving...

Every school in the WAC would prefer to be somewhere else...

This would be the perfect opportunity for the a big group of DII schools to move up, there have been a lot of rumors around schools from the West joining the WAC for a while now. CBU and GCU were just the first to jump in. I’m sure they can find 4 more if they could ever stabilize their membership to a region and focus on getting like minded institutions. But they are between a rock and a hard place. If they get rid of their non western members they won’t have enough to keep their post season bids, but unless they solidify their geographic base (by shedding “eastern” members that dramatically increase travel costs) they will not look appealing enough to prominent DII universities for them to take a risk and jump to DI admin all of this uncertainty.

Rumors? Who?

Off the top of my head in no particular order.

Colorado Mesa, Metro State Denver, Dixie St, Azusa Pacific, Humbolt St, and Central Washington just to name a few. I assume there are more out there that I’m not remembering.

tute79 · **Joined:** Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:25 pm **Posts:** 2260

Those seem like solid D-II schools to me.
D-1 ? I dunno....
Humboldt State just recently went through a debate as to whether they should drop football.
I think Dixie State just switched conferences to the more geographically favorable RMAC (?)

TKthunder · **Joined:** Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:40 pm **Posts:** 1606

tute79 wrote:

Those seem like solid D-II schools to me.
D-1 ? I dunno....
Humboldt State just recently went through a debate as to whether they should drop football.
I think Dixie State just switched conferences to the more geographically favorable RMAC (?)

I’m not predicting anything. Just these are the rumors I’ve seen over the last 2 years or so from random blogs to obscure local papers.

freaked4collegefb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:37 pm **Posts:** 9050

Link to TSU FCS benchmarking study(previously posted in another thread) at https://tarleton.edu/division1/document ... h-2018.pdf

freaked4collegefb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:37 pm **Posts:** 9050

WAC MB thread discussing the above posted TSU D-1 benchmarking study at https://csnbbs.com/thread-846977.html

freaked4collegefb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:37 pm **Posts:** 9050

TNS article(previously posted in another thread)with comments from TSU President concerning a possible D-1 invite from a conference "like" the WAC prior to the 1June 2018 D-1 application deadline at http://texannews.net/dl-study-points-to ... stays-put/

freaked4collegefb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:37 pm **Posts:** 9050

Article out of WAC member UMKC paper with update regarding UMKC athletic department budget review at https://info.umkc.edu/unews/costly-wac- ... cs-budget/

jlog3000 · **Posted:** Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:00 pm

freaked4collegefb wrote:

Article out of WAC member UMKC paper with update regarding UMKC athletic department budget review at https://info.umkc.edu/unews/costly-wac- ... cs-budget/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It seems to me that the whole UMKC staff are having themselves shot on the foot, leading themselves to the predicament that they are facing. It's no secret that the Kangaroos don't want to be in this mishap of the WAC. But where will they go to, in terms of finding a more suitable regional conference; to make travel costs lesser? Either returning to the Summit or drop to D-II and compete either in the GLVC or the MIAA (Mid-American). Otherwise, they are stuck where they're at, and it might lead them to D-I independence again or eventually drop the whole athletic program.

freaked4collegefb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:37 pm **Posts:** 9050

WAC member UMKC MB thread discussing above posted UMKC article at http://umkcroos.proboards.com/thread/10 ... -wac-costs

tute79 · **Joined:** Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:25 pm **Posts:** 2260

The move away form the Summit was absolutely IDIOTIC.
The only rationale seemed to be - "Hey I think we stand a better chance of beating this group of schools".
The hit to the travel budget was huge and oh-so-predictable.

Right now, the UMKC power-that-be are spending a lot of time trying to appear thoughtful (saving face).
Eventually these genius administrators need to make a decision. Staying in the WAC is not really a viable decision.

If they want to commit the resources to being D-1, Summit is a pretty good fit. Travel cost and tie will be substantially reduced.

As noted on the message board, the other 2 Mizzou branch campuses
UMSL (St. Louis) and MU Science & Technology (Rolla) have been reasonably happy members of D-2.
If that corresponds to the level of financial commitment that UMKC wants to make, then so be it....

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