The Bishin Cutter wrote:
Does anyone else spot the 500 lb. gorilla in the room that if Notre Dame joined an ACC without FSU and Clemson that FSU and Clemson would reapply instantaneously to the ACC? This isn't Rutgers potentially joining the ACC, it's friggin' Notre Dame. And it would instantly catapault the conference to the top, as it would be, quite literally, a "Super East" conference.
Oh, and let's not overlook that other 500 lb. gorilla where the Big XII, who couldn't get programs like Pitt, BYU, or Air Force, nor keep Missouri, but could swipe such a juggernaut that is the mighty, mighty (wee) Texas Christian, but somehow is in the mix for the ACC's historic best football programs.
This whole FSU-Clemson "defection" is nothing but a room full of big hairy apes. Why is ANY of this getting play?
These rumors come from West Virginia messageboards by way of Texas, where everything is bigger, even their bullsh!t.
The Bashin Cutter.
I realize you’re a newbie on this board and we provide some slack to the new guys which sometime have refreshing ideas.
You have made several comment on several posts that are not factual yet you come across as some type of expert.
Maybe you were in other circles and do have a lot of knowledge, however, you have earn some credibility on the site before jumping on long time posters on this board.
Let me start off with this post. I am not disagreeing that WVU fans may have made up this rumor which we do not to my knowledge have any facts stated anywhere this rumor has a basis for truth.
You are the kittle calling the pot black with WVU fans. I see no difference with you or WVU fans.
First of all Pitt, Air Force, and BYU did not turn down a Big 12 invite because there never were invites for any of these three schools. Sure there were some discussions with all three, however, that does mean either of the three schools received invites and had the opportunity to turn the Big 12 down. So you sir are being just like WVU fans with no facts to base up your post. Do you actually know for sure Clemson and FSU have not contacted the Big 12. I think not!
The only two schools that supposedly received an open invitation to replace Nebraska and Colorado were the University of Arkansas and Notre Dame. And this we can’t actually confirm if these were actually true although some reliable people reported this rumor in the larger media circles.
It the same type of rumor reported on ESPN of FSU, Clemson, Texas A&M, and Missouri were going to the SEC when the Pac 12 was actually considering expanding to the Pac 16.
Again we can’t confirm if these rumor was true, however, did make the national media including ESPN.
And while I am on the subject of a couple of your post. You made a comment of poor taste of complaining about the hybrid Big East. We have been discussing this for many years the issues the hybrid has inflicted on the Big East football schools and to some extent the basketball only schools. You can call it governance or whatever you prefer, there are many post over the last decade that have many examples of the issues with hybrid.
I suggest you may want to review many of those historical post especially the Big East. You may actually learn something and at best will realize most of your comments have already been discussed or sliced and diced into so many different scenarios.
Please try and earn some respect on this site before coming across so arrogant.
No opinion is a bad opinion and no rumor is bad rumor regardless if you agree or not. Quinn are moderator may suggest some opinions be moved to the dream thread. And that’s all good as well. I like the dream thread. It sometimes fun to discuss scenarios that may never occur. It also good to think out of the box.
I don't know what to do with this. Are you upset that I'm blasting the credibility of the sources? If so, I'm sticking to my guns. Are you upset that I'm raining on your parade, that you WANT this to be true? I don't think that's on me; I didn't personally call out anyone. I called out "a story," which is nothing more than rumors (and honestly, that's how it's getting presented in more credible places, like the CBS Miami site and ESPN) emanating from two of the most shoddy places for gossip. Fun gossip and water-cooler talk, sure, but still shoddy.
criticism in a more proper fashion without simple name-calling in the first "sentence." Or, do as one should and if you think I'm personally attacking you but can't quite find it in the post (and seriously, please show me where), do it privately. Just a thought.
As for the UMFL "switcharoo" in '03, it wasn't like it was that shocking, given Janovich's hire and the seemingly endless meeting cycle during the late 80's through 1990 with ACC officials. Miami pegged itself as an ACC school, but had to wait for the ACC to entertain the thought of expansion. Penn State's Big Ten relationship fueled that wave of expansion in the North Atlantic region and the league creation: Miami worked on the ACC to no success while their phones were ringing with Big East officials on the other line. If UMFL's people said they had "no current plans" to leave the Big East in 2002 or 2003, well, if there was a gentlemen's agreement made sometime during the 80's or 90's that they would get membership on the next round of expansion, then should we channel our inner Obi-Wan Kenobi and assume they were telling the truth, from a certain point of view?
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